From: Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>
To: Hugh Dickins <hughd@google.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Ackerley Tng <ackerleytng@google.com>,
Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com>,
Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>,
Binbin Wu <binbin.wu@linux.intel.com>,
Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>,
Christoph Lameter <cl@gentwo.org>,
Claudio Imbrenda <imbrenda@linux.ibm.com>,
David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>,
JP Kobryn <jp.kobryn@linux.dev>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Kairui Song <ryncsn@gmail.com>, Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>,
Leonardo Bras <leobras.c@gmail.com>,
Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>,
Marcelo Tosatti <mtosatti@redhat.com>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>,
Miaohe Lin <linmiaohe@huawei.com>, Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
Muchun Song <muchun.song@linux.dev>,
Oscar Salvador <osalvador@suse.de>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Qi Zheng <qi.zheng@linux.dev>, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>,
Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
Yang Shi <yang@os.amperecomputing.com>,
Yu Zhao <yuzhao@google.com>, Zach O'Keefe <zokeefe@google.com>,
Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
linux-block@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 07/25] mm/fbatch: LRU_NEXT_ACTIVATE bit to optimize folio_activate()
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2026 11:56:15 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aplHq9bvNdyPGEw-@thinkstation> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <821cced3-dcc8-6c80-a92c-c568c2639e5a@google.com>
On Wed, Sep 02, 2026 at 10:41:56PM -0700, Hugh Dickins wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Aug 2026, Kiryl Shutsemau wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 28, 2026 at 01:40:51AM -0700, Hugh Dickins wrote:
> > > Do you have a head for smp_mb__ barriers? I'm more anxious that
> > > I might be missing one or two of those.
> >
> > I think the release side of PG_lru is missing.
> >
> > You effectively turn PG_lru into a lock over folio->lru.next.
> >
> > The acquire side works: test_and_clear_bit() has a return value, so it
> > is fully ordered.
> >
> > But there's a problem with release. set_bit() is unordered. You
> > correctly placed a fence in __folio_add_lru(), but every other
> > folio_set_lru() is problematic.
> >
> > For instance:
> >
> > CPU0 CPU1
> > folio_batch_move_lru() folio_batch_move_lru()
> > lru_add_del_folio()
> > lru.next = LIST_POISON1
> > lruvec lock
> > list_add()
> > /* no barrier */
> > set_bit(PG_lru)
> > folio_try_get() == true
> > folio_test_clear_lru() == true
> > lru_next == stale BATCHED ???
> > lruvec unlock
> >
> > If CPU1 sees a stale BATCHED, lru_add_del_folio() returns true without
> > doing the list_del() or the NR_LRU_BASE accounting, and CPU1 then goes
> > on to lruvec_add_folio() a folio that is already on a list.
> >
> > I think we need to have a helper that would set PG_lru and enforce
> > release semantics.
>
> Thank you very much for this, Kiryl: it helps me considerably.
> But I have to cool myself down close to absolute zero to think
> about these things, and can only manage that occasionally.
>
> I've nothing useful to say yet. I believe I understand you, and in
> particular your last sentence, which I take as an observation that
> clear_bit_unlock() is well-established, but what we want is
> set_bit_unlock(), perhaps better named set_bit_release().
>
> Of course I'm not competent to add that to N architectures, most of
> them unfamiliar to me. So I'm looking for a reasonable compromise,
> to minimize the additional overhead needed for correctness here,
> just using what we have already have (test_and_set, smp_mb__).
It would not be N architectures. This should be good enough:
/* include/asm-generic/bitops/lock.h */
#ifndef arch_set_bit_release
static __always_inline void
arch_set_bit_release(unsigned int nr, volatile unsigned long *p)
{
p += BIT_WORD(nr);
raw_atomic_long_fetch_or_release(BIT_MASK(nr), (atomic_long_t *)p);
}
#endif
/* include/asm-generic/bitops/instrumented-lock.h */
static inline void set_bit_release(long nr, volatile unsigned long *addr)
{
kcsan_release();
instrument_atomic_write(addr + BIT_WORD(nr), sizeof(long));
arch_set_bit_release(nr, addr);
}
/* arch/x86/include/asm/bitops.h -- mirrors arch_clear_bit_unlock() */
static __always_inline void
arch_set_bit_release(long nr, volatile unsigned long *addr)
{
barrier(); /* LOCK prefix is already a full barrier */
arch_set_bit(nr, addr);
}
#define arch_set_bit_release arch_set_bit_release
I don't know if we want to make it _unlock() to match
clear_bit_unlock(). Naming is hard.
x86 does need an override, since it has no locked OR that returns the old
value -- arch_atomic64_fetch_or() is a cmpxchg loop.
arm64 is happy with the generic version.
ppc and riscv need a definition of their own only because they do not
include asm-generic/bitops/lock.h, so the #ifndef above never reaches
them. ppc can take the generic body. and riscv is a one-liner right next
to its existing arch_clear_bit_unlock().
This set_bit_release() gets better results than alternatives:
set_bit_release() smp_mb__ + set_bit() test_and_set_bit()
x86 lock orb lock orb lock btsq
arm64 LSE ldsetl dmb ish + stset ldsetal
arm64 LL/SC ldxr/stlxr dmb ish + ldxr/stxr ldxr/stlxr + dmb ish
ppc lwsync + loop sync + loop sync + loop + sync
riscv amoor.d.rl fence rw,rw + amoor.d amoor.d.aqrl
I can prepare a proper patches with what I listed above, if you want, so
you can prepend to your series.
If you don't want to go there for the initial series,
smp_mb__before_atomic() plus folio_set_lru() should be good enough:
static __always_inline bool folio_test_clear_lru_acquire(struct folio *folio)
{
return folio_test_clear_lru(folio);
}
static __always_inline void folio_set_lru_release(struct folio *folio)
{
smp_mb__before_atomic();
folio_set_lru(folio);
}
--
Kiryl Shutsemau / Kirill A. Shutemov
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-03 10:56 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-24 13:49 [PATCH 00/25] mm/fbatch: drain lru_add_drain() and _all() Hugh Dickins
2026-08-24 13:52 ` [PATCH 01/25] mm/fbatch: remove !CONFIG_SMP special case of folio_activate() Hugh Dickins
2026-08-27 17:23 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-24 13:55 ` [PATCH 02/25] mm/fbatch: allow folios_put_refs() to skip xa_is_value() entries Hugh Dickins
2026-08-27 17:35 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-24 13:58 ` [PATCH 03/25] mm/fbatch: temporarily disable lazyfree and mlock+munlock batching Hugh Dickins
2026-08-24 14:01 ` [PATCH 04/25] mm/fbatch: lru bit set, no extra ref, while folio on per-cpu fbatch Hugh Dickins
2026-08-27 11:46 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-28 8:04 ` Hugh Dickins
2026-08-28 14:40 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-28 22:20 ` Hugh Dickins
2026-09-02 4:05 ` Hugh Dickins
2026-08-24 14:03 ` [PATCH 05/25] mm/fbatch: lru_add_del_folio()+folio_add_lru() after clear_lru() Hugh Dickins
2026-08-24 14:06 ` [PATCH 06/25] mm/fbatch: fbatch_drain_lazyfree(onstack fbatch) before ptl unlock Hugh Dickins
2026-08-24 14:09 ` [PATCH 07/25] mm/fbatch: LRU_NEXT_ACTIVATE bit to optimize folio_activate() Hugh Dickins
2026-08-27 12:02 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-28 8:40 ` Hugh Dickins
2026-08-31 2:28 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-09-03 5:41 ` Hugh Dickins
2026-09-03 10:56 ` Kiryl Shutsemau [this message]
2026-08-24 14:11 ` [PATCH 08/25] mm/fbatch: replace mlock_new_folio() by __folio_add_lru(,mlockit) Hugh Dickins
2026-08-24 14:14 ` [PATCH 09/25] mm/fbatch: restore mlock+munlock batching, without extra ref Hugh Dickins
2026-08-24 14:16 ` [PATCH 10/25] mm/fbatch: remove several uses of mlock_drain_local() Hugh Dickins
2026-08-24 14:18 ` [PATCH 11/25] mm/fbatch: remove migration's PAGE_WAS_MLOCKED lru_add_drain() Hugh Dickins
2026-08-24 14:20 ` [PATCH 12/25] mm/fbatch: remove percpu_pvec_drained and folios_put() Hugh Dickins
2026-08-24 14:23 ` [PATCH 13/25] mm/fbatch: no lru_add_drain() to collect_longterm_unpinnable_folios() Hugh Dickins
2026-08-24 14:55 ` [PATCH alt " Hugh Dickins
2026-08-24 18:42 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-27 9:16 ` Hugh Dickins
2026-08-27 9:20 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-24 14:25 ` [PATCH 14/25] mm/fbatch: no lru_add_drain() nor _all() for memfd_wait_for_pins() Hugh Dickins
2026-08-24 14:27 ` [PATCH 15/25] mm/fbatch: remove shake_folio() shake_page() from memory-failure Hugh Dickins
2026-08-24 14:30 ` [PATCH 16/25] mm/fbatch: remove lru_cache_disable(() from NUMA folio migration Hugh Dickins
2026-08-24 14:32 ` [PATCH 17/25] mm/fbatch: no lru_cache_disable() in __alloc_contig_migrate_range() Hugh Dickins
2026-08-24 14:34 ` [PATCH 18/25] mm/fbatch: remove lru_add_drain() and _all() calls from various Hugh Dickins
2026-08-24 14:36 ` [PATCH 19/25] mm/fbatch: vm/stat_refresh include lru_add_drain() on each cpu Hugh Dickins
2026-08-24 14:39 ` [PATCH 20/25] s390/fbatch: no lru_add_drain_all() in s390_wiggle_split_folio() Hugh Dickins
2026-08-26 13:57 ` Claudio Imbrenda
2026-08-27 8:49 ` Hugh Dickins
2026-08-27 12:55 ` Claudio Imbrenda
2026-08-27 20:26 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-08-28 8:57 ` Hugh Dickins
2026-08-28 15:02 ` Claudio Imbrenda
2026-08-28 22:02 ` Hugh Dickins
2026-08-24 14:41 ` [PATCH 21/25] block/fbatch: no lru_add_drain_all() in invalidate_bdev() Hugh Dickins
2026-08-24 14:44 ` [PATCH 22/25] fs/fbatch: drop_caches invalidate_bh_lrus() not lru_add_drain_all() Hugh Dickins
2026-08-24 14:47 ` [PATCH 23/25] fs,mm/fbatch: use invalidate_bh_lrus() not invalidate_bh_lrus_cpu() Hugh Dickins
2026-08-24 14:49 ` [PATCH 24/25] fs,mm/fbatch: lru_cache_disable() keep off buffer_head lrus only Hugh Dickins
2026-08-24 14:51 ` [PATCH 25/25] mm/fbatch: move lru_add_drain_all() declaration to mm/internal.h Hugh Dickins
2026-08-27 17:16 ` [PATCH 00/25] mm/fbatch: drain lru_add_drain() and _all() David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-09-02 3:54 ` [PATCH 26/25] mm/fbatch: drop reference inside the loop when draining Hugh Dickins
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=aplHq9bvNdyPGEw-@thinkstation \
--to=kas@kernel.org \
--cc=ackerleytng@google.com \
--cc=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
--cc=axboe@kernel.dk \
--cc=baohua@kernel.org \
--cc=baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com \
--cc=bigeasy@linutronix.de \
--cc=binbin.wu@linux.intel.com \
--cc=brauner@kernel.org \
--cc=cl@gentwo.org \
--cc=david@kernel.org \
--cc=hannes@cmpxchg.org \
--cc=hch@lst.de \
--cc=hughd@google.com \
--cc=imbrenda@linux.ibm.com \
--cc=jack@suse.cz \
--cc=jp.kobryn@linux.dev \
--cc=lance.yang@linux.dev \
--cc=leobras.c@gmail.com \
--cc=linmiaohe@huawei.com \
--cc=linux-block@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
--cc=linux-mm@kvack.org \
--cc=ljs@kernel.org \
--cc=mgorman@techsingularity.net \
--cc=mhocko@suse.com \
--cc=minchan@kernel.org \
--cc=mtosatti@redhat.com \
--cc=muchun.song@linux.dev \
--cc=osalvador@suse.de \
--cc=peterz@infradead.org \
--cc=qi.zheng@linux.dev \
--cc=riel@surriel.com \
--cc=ryncsn@gmail.com \
--cc=shakeel.butt@linux.dev \
--cc=surenb@google.com \
--cc=vbabka@kernel.org \
--cc=viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk \
--cc=willy@infradead.org \
--cc=yang@os.amperecomputing.com \
--cc=yuzhao@google.com \
--cc=ziy@nvidia.com \
--cc=zokeefe@google.com \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox