* JT44 on Linux @ 2002-08-14 8:55 Jonathan Naylor 2002-08-14 11:57 ` Bob Nielsen 2002-08-14 12:24 ` Tomi Manninen OH2BNS 0 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Jonathan Naylor @ 2002-08-14 8:55 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-hams Hi Folks Long time no see. I am interested in writing an implementation of JT44 for Linux. JT44 is the data mode written by Joe Taylor K1JT for weak signal work like EME and things, it has become hugely popular but the software only runs under Windows at present. Thankfully Joe has published the specification of the mode allowing others to (potentially) copy it. There is another mode called FSK441 which is used for meteor scatter, but I do not aim to implement that until JT44 is operational. It is a relatively simple mode, the transmit side is simply FSK using 44 tones. The receive side is probably a FFT the result of which is used by the software to determine where the clock is and also to use averaging to extract the signal from the noise. The transmit side could probably be adapted from a sound modem implementation that already exists, and could probably be done quite quickly, the receive side is more complex but there are GPL FFT display programs around that could be used as the basis of the receive side. Of course Joe has probably done a few clever things that we will in due course discover, however we will worry about that later. I did send an e-mail to Joe about writing a Linux implementation, but I got no response, however I think that is probably down to him being a busy man. Perhaps once we have some software running then he may take more of an interest in us. Everything that I do will appear under the GPL of course. Jonathan HB9DRD/G4KLX PS has anyone got a good circuit for interfacing a sound card into a radio ? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: JT44 on Linux 2002-08-14 8:55 JT44 on Linux Jonathan Naylor @ 2002-08-14 11:57 ` Bob Nielsen 2002-08-14 12:24 ` Tomi Manninen OH2BNS 1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Bob Nielsen @ 2002-08-14 11:57 UTC (permalink / raw) To: linux-hams On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 10:55:53AM +0200, Jonathan Naylor wrote: > > PS has anyone got a good circuit for interfacing a sound card into a > radio ? I don't usually recommend this as a source of accurate information, but K4ABT has some interface diagrams on his web site, http://www.packetradio.com. He also sells kits and assembled interfaces (less expensive than the others I've seen). Bob, N7XY ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: JT44 on Linux 2002-08-14 8:55 JT44 on Linux Jonathan Naylor 2002-08-14 11:57 ` Bob Nielsen @ 2002-08-14 12:24 ` Tomi Manninen OH2BNS 2002-08-14 13:05 ` Jonathan Naylor 1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Tomi Manninen OH2BNS @ 2002-08-14 12:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: g4klx; +Cc: linux-hams On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Jonathan Naylor wrote: > I am interested in writing an implementation of JT44 for Linux. JT44 is > the data mode written by Joe Taylor K1JT for weak signal work like EME > and things, it has become hugely popular but the software only runs > under Windows at present. Thankfully Joe has published the > specification of the mode allowing others to (potentially) copy it. > There is another mode called FSK441 which is used for meteor scatter, > but I do not aim to implement that until JT44 is operational. FWIW you could take a look at my gMFSK. While I don't claim it's necessarily very well coded or anything, it could serve as some sort of basis for a Linux JT44 implementation. At the least there might be some code that can be reused. Do you have a pointer to the mode specification. I would like to take a look. -- Tomi Manninen Internet: oh2bns@sral.fi OH2BNS AX.25: oh2bns@oh2rbi.fin.eu KP20ME04 Amprnet: oh2bns@oh2rbi.ampr.org ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: JT44 on Linux 2002-08-14 12:24 ` Tomi Manninen OH2BNS @ 2002-08-14 13:05 ` Jonathan Naylor 2002-08-16 6:27 ` Jason Flynn G7OCD 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Jonathan Naylor @ 2002-08-14 13:05 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Tomi Manninen OH2BNS; +Cc: linux-hams Hi Tomi > FWIW you could take a look at my gMFSK. While I don't claim it's > necessarily very well coded or anything, it could serve as some sort > of basis for a Linux JT44 implementation. At the least there might be > some code that can be reused. > > Do you have a pointer to the mode specification. I would like to > take a look. I've downloaded the user-mode soundmodem code which includes yours, and will use it heavily as a basis. The AFSK modem is great as a basis for the TX side, in fact JT44 is simpler, no scrambling, no bit-stuffing, etc. From the soundmodem code I can also get the soundmodem interface code, the PTT interface code and probably other things also. I will cut & paste a document into this e-mail which was the original JT44 specification document. A more modern description is available as a PDF from Joe's web pages at http://pulsar.princeton.edu/~joe/K1JT/WSJT222.PDF In some ways the older description says more about the internals of the WSJT implementation, although the newer document has more details and you really need both for an implemenation. I've already started on the TX sidem with a simple command line based program to test some of the concepts. I have a friend who has JT44 receive capability who is over a variable 250kms 23cms path which would be an interesting test. I can give you the URL of a web page with .wav files of JT44 signals at various strengths if you are intersted. Jonathan HB9DRD/G4KLX Development Notes on JT44 ------------------------- Joe Taylor, K1JT March 28, 2002 I have not yet committed a technical description of the JT44 protocol to paper. It will be posted here as soon as it becomes available. In the meantime, for the curious, here are some notes on the essentials. Some familiarity with the WSJT program will be necessary for full understanding of what follows. 1. Transmit and receive periods are nominally 30 sec each, starting on UTC half-minutes. JT44 is a time-synchronized communication mode, and in WSJT the only way to transmit or receive it is to set the program to "Auto Mode ON". 2. Transmit audio starts 1 second into the TX interval and lasts for 135 * 2048 samples at the 11025 Hz soundcard sampling rate, or about 25.08 seconds. 3. The last 3.9 seconds (minus necessary relay switching time, etc.) of the transmit period will probably be used for a fast CW ID. (This function is not yet implemented in WSJT v1.9.4). The idle time also serves to accommodate EME propagation delays. 4. The message format involves 135 intervals of data transmission, each 2048 samples long. Of these, 69 intervals carry a synchronizing tone at frequency 118*11025/1024=1270.5 Hz (approximately). 5. The remaining 66 intervals carry tones at frequencies (120+N)*11025/1024, with 1 <= N <= 43. The value of N conveys the character code. Permissible characters include the digits 0-9, letters A-Z, and special characters .,/#?$ and <space>. The 66 character intervals carry a 22-character message, repeated three times. 6. The 69 sync-tone intervals and 66 character-tone intervals are interleaved according to a pseudo-random pattern having the desirable property that its auto-correlation function has a single spike at lag zero and falls to low values everywhere else. Detecting and aligning with this sync-tone pattern is one of the the main "secrets" of JT44, allowing the software to accommodate large frequency and clock errors. 7. At present the program synchronizes reliably with frequency errors in the range +/- 600 Hz and clock offsets from -2 to +4 seconds. The time range was made asymmetrical so as to accommodate EME delays. 8. The cost of using about half of the transmission time for the sync tone is approximately 1.5 dB. This seems to be a very good compromise in practice. It means that transmissions will "sync up" reliably at the receive end even when the S/N is -25 dB relative to the system noise in a 2500 Hz bandwidth. Note that by comparison, the minimum CW signal strength that can be copied is about -11 dB relative to same noise level. JT44 can get through with solid copy whan you cannot even hear the other station's signals. 9. Single letters in the 22-character message will have worse signal-to-noise ratios than that of the sync tone by a factor equal to the square root of 69/3, or 6.8 dB. However, that loss can be made up by averaging the received character-tone spectra over many 30-second reception periods. For such incoherent averaging, each doubling of the number of periods buys you 1.5 dB in S/N. Four periods gets you 3 dB improvement, 16 periods gets 6 dB, and so on. If the signal strength remains fairly steady, these numbers mean that good copy of any reliably synchronizable message can be achieved in about 15-20 minutes. 10. See also the accompanying file EXAMPLE.TXT, which describes an example of JT44 usage. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: JT44 on Linux 2002-08-14 13:05 ` Jonathan Naylor @ 2002-08-16 6:27 ` Jason Flynn G7OCD 2002-08-16 7:13 ` Jonathan Naylor 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Jason Flynn G7OCD @ 2002-08-16 6:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: g4klx; +Cc: Tomi Manninen OH2BNS, linux-hams > I have a friend who has JT44 receive capability who is over a > variable 250kms 23cms path which would be an interesting test. We've been doing similar tests here, trying all the 'new' data and weak signal modes. They're designed for EME or MS etc, and don't cope very well with scintilations introduded by long atmospheric distortion. They work, but if you do a waterfall, you can see the signal spread is at least one tone wide so a system for tropo would probably work better with less tones. So we're thinking about a new system specifically for tropo contacts, your ideas would be appreciated... Jason ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: JT44 on Linux 2002-08-16 6:27 ` Jason Flynn G7OCD @ 2002-08-16 7:13 ` Jonathan Naylor 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Jonathan Naylor @ 2002-08-16 7:13 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Jason Flynn G7OCD; +Cc: linux-hams Hi Jason > We've been doing similar tests here, trying all the 'new' data > and weak signal modes. They're designed for EME or MS etc, and > don't cope very well with scintilations introduded by long > atmospheric distortion. They work, but if you do a waterfall, > you can see the signal spread is at least one tone wide so a > system for tropo would probably work better with less tones. I remember reading that JT44 was designed for 2m (and lower) and that any others bands it worked on were a bonus. I know that it has been used on 23cms EME by a very marginal station, but I doubt it would work on 3cms EME where the spreading is rather large. I think that going to 1 minute periods would also be a good step and as you mention going for less tones with wider spacing. To do a proper implementation, it would be good to have some data from the 3cms EME ops on what spreading is like, quantitative rather than qualitative. > So we're thinking about a new system specifically for tropo > contacts, your ideas would be appreciated... My first priority is to get my JT44 program working, and then maybe FSK441 for MS work. I do think that my work could be the basis of better things as it uses a C++ framework that is rather flexible. I also make use of external libraries such as FFTW and libaudiofile to enable me to get round the tedious bits. BTW I am active on 6cms and 3cms tropo work with quite an effective system. My JT44 TX program made its first noises last night ! The timings are right (PTT, sound start and end, etc), but I would like a wav file of real JT44 sending Z's and/or 0's for me to compare. I don't have real JT44 here (no Windows) so I am working a little in the dark. Just shout if you want a snapshot of the code. > Jason Jonathan HB9DRD/G4KLX ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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