Convers, IRC and Jabber

Convers, IRC and Jabber

[Bill Vodall WA7NWP]

Is anybody using this tool to connect Convers to IRC?

Anybody looked at connecting Jabber to Convers?

Thanks,
Bill - WA7NWP

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Hi
all,

some time ago I found it to be a good idea to write a program which
allows convers sysops to connect their network to an irc network in a
way which enables all users to talk to each other. This allows for the
following two
optimizations:

1.) Easy and slow migration to the technically superficial IRC
system

2.) Allows users to chat with convers users using a modern graphical
IRC
client like mIrc, Zircon and so on. This means a great improvement
in chat
convenience.

I called my program "ircgate" and the current version is 0.4b. If you
read this article on a BBS system you will also find another article
with a 7plus-encoded archive containing the package. If not, you can get
it by FTP from the following
systems:

Home system, but only reachable from within
amprnet:
ftp://dg1kjd-svr.ampr.org/pub/linux/irc/ircgate-0.4b.tar.gz

Backup 1,from outside
amprnet:
ftp://db0bm.automation.fh-aachen.de/pub/incoming/ircgate/ircgate-0.4b.tar.gz

amprnet:
ftp://db0bm.ampr.org/pub/incoming/ircgate/ircgate-0.4b.tar.gz

Backup
2:
ftp://ftp.ucsd.edu/hamradio/packet/tcpip/incoming/ircgate-0.4b.tar.gz

Vy
42
Jen

Re: Convers, IRC and Jabber

[Patrick Ouellette]

On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 06:33:34PM +0000, Bill Vodall WA7NWP wrote:
> 
> Is anybody using this tool to connect Convers to IRC?
> 
> Anybody looked at connecting Jabber to Convers?
> 

I would think it shouldn't be that hard.  If you have TCP/IP set up on
your ham box, you should be able to run an IRC server or a Jabber
server.   The Jabber side might even be easier since the Jabber server
supports gateways to other services by design.

I would have some concerns about connecting Convers and IRC/Jabber unless
I had complete control over the people using the system (to ensure they 
were licensed amateurs if connecting over the Internet outside the
44.x.x.x net).


-- 

Patrick Ouellette                 pat@flying-gecko.net
kb8pym@arrl.net                   Amateur Radio: KB8PYM 
Living life to a Jimmy Buffett soundtrack
"Crank the amp to 11, this needs more cowbell - and a llama wouldn't hurt either"

Re: Convers, IRC and Jabber

[IT3 Stuart Blake Tener]

Patrick, et alia:

Quoting Patrick Ouellette <pat@flying-gecko.net>:

> On Fri, Apr 20, 2007 at 06:33:34PM +0000, Bill Vodall WA7NWP wrote:
> >
> > Is anybody using this tool to connect Convers to IRC?
> >
> > Anybody looked at connecting Jabber to Convers?
> >
>
> I would think it shouldn't be that hard.  If you have TCP/IP set up on
> your ham box, you should be able to run an IRC server or a Jabber
> server.   The Jabber side might even be easier since the Jabber server
> supports gateways to other services by design.
>
> I would have some concerns about connecting Convers and IRC/Jabber unless
> I had complete control over the people using the system (to ensure they
> were licensed amateurs if connecting over the Internet outside the
> 44.x.x.x net).

Indeed I can find agreement with this, however, there is a particular mechanism
that might work to afford a comfortable stance for containing the allowance of
Ham's to legally and lawfully connect to the Internet.

I am contemplating the purchase of a 1.2GHz Radio at the Hamvention this year,
and intend to connect it to one of the ports on my Cisco router, which will be
Internet connected, and the concept of preservation regarding the integrity of
users to cross from the Internet to the RF Data Network and vice versa will be
likely resolved as follows:

In order for someone to cross from the Internet to the RF Data Network I would
need to create an account on the router for them, so they access an encrypted
VPN connection (encryption occurrent between their client and the router) with
traffic being unencrypted when forwarded to the RF Data Network.

I am still researching this, but I believe that an encrypted VPN session from
the RF Data Network could be used, provided the encryption passwords were to be
published in advance (I intend to do so on a website), prior to the user having
ability to use the connection. The publication of the passwords, call signs, as
well as usernames would be deliberate and well in advance of the enablement of
the accounts being made accessible, and continually published until the amateur
operator requested to discontinue his usage of the VPN.

Additionally, I would intend to limit what website or other access was capable
such that no commercial activity was transmitted over the RF Data Network.

I wonder if Icom is contemplating any sort of 2.4GHz D-STAR equipment that would
be cable of transmitting digital voice, as well as data, and thirdly be able to
be switched into a "non amateur data mode" such that it could be used for
2.4Ghz data transfer in commercial mode, and also have an Amateur Radio mode.

>
>
> --
>
> Patrick Ouellette                 pat@flying-gecko.net
> kb8pym@arrl.net                   Amateur Radio: KB8PYM
> Living life to a Jimmy Buffett soundtrack
> "Crank the amp to 11, this needs more cowbell - and a llama wouldn't hurt
> either"
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Re: Convers, IRC and Jabber

[Bill Vodall WA7NWP]

> > I would have some concerns about connecting Convers and IRC/Jabber unless
> > I had complete control over the people using the system (to ensure they
> > were licensed amateurs if connecting over the Internet outside the
> > 44.x.x.x net).
>
> Indeed I can find agreement with this, however, there is a particular mechanism
> that might work to afford a comfortable stance for containing the allowance of
> Ham's to legally and lawfully connect to the Internet.


We went through all of these connectivity issues 15+ years ago.  It's
no longer an issue -- at least here in the US.

If there are abuses, we have the technology to deal with it.  That
process has served us well for many years and it hasn't been the end
of the world as we know it because a few packets generated by non-hams
have been transmitted as third party content.

What is hobbling the progress in Amateur Radio is the lack of folks
getting on the air and doing neat stuff.  Far too many of our
frequency resources are vastly underused and that's a shame since
there have never been so many opportunities for experimentation and
communications.   Connecting Jabber, IRC and Convers then bringing
that to APRS and our mobile D700/D7 messaging technology is, to me,
just one example of what we can do.

73
Bill - WA7NWP

PS.  Don't get me started on 1200 baud in 2007 - or the 44 net.   :-)

Re: Convers, IRC and Jabber

[Frank Brickle]

Bill Vodall WA7NWP wrote:

... Connecting Jabber, IRC and Convers then bringing
> that to APRS and our mobile D700/D7 messaging technology is, to me,
> just one example of what we can do...

There's a new AMSAT-NA satellite, Eagle, currently under design.
One of the payloads will be a messaging service built on jabber.
Access will be with an inexpensive handheld terminal and a simple
antenna.

Part of the motivation is to make amateur satellite work
accessible and useful to a wider range of hams, without needing a
big investment in equipment or startup time.

Interoperation of the Eagle messaging service with pretty much
everything else will be implemented on the ground, with
terrestrial jabber servers and gateways.

73
Frank
AB2KT

Member, AMSAT Eagile Design Team

Re: Convers, IRC and Jabber

[Chuck Hast]

On 4/22/07, Bill Vodall WA7NWP <wa7nwp@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I would have some concerns about connecting Convers and IRC/Jabber unless
> > > I had complete control over the people using the system (to ensure they
> > > were licensed amateurs if connecting over the Internet outside the
> > > 44.x.x.x net).
> >
> > Indeed I can find agreement with this, however, there is a particular mechanism
> > that might work to afford a comfortable stance for containing the allowance of
> > Ham's to legally and lawfully connect to the Internet.
>
>
> We went through all of these connectivity issues 15+ years ago.  It's
> no longer an issue -- at least here in the US.
>
> If there are abuses, we have the technology to deal with it.  That
> process has served us well for many years and it hasn't been the end
> of the world as we know it because a few packets generated by non-hams
> have been transmitted as third party content.
>
> What is hobbling the progress in Amateur Radio is the lack of folks
> getting on the air and doing neat stuff.  Far too many of our
> frequency resources are vastly underused and that's a shame since
> there have never been so many opportunities for experimentation and
> communications.   Connecting Jabber, IRC and Convers then bringing
> that to APRS and our mobile D700/D7 messaging technology is, to me,
> just one example of what we can do.
>
> 73
> Bill - WA7NWP
>
> PS.  Don't get me started on 1200 baud in 2007 - or the 44 net.   :-)

I want a palm type device that will let me do VoIP and images, and run at
a reasonable speed. Where I worked up until a year ago (sales did not sell
so they got rid of field and R&D, go figure) we did some work with palm type
devices and 802.11 to do VoIP and images to a handheld  a utility tech would
carry around with him, but get hams to do the same thing (you can go out
and buy all of the pieces to do a prototype) is like pulling hen's teeth. No do
not get me started either... All the bits and pieces are out there to do it and
we STILL do nothing... There is so much neat stuff to do, but no one is inter-
ested except a very small group of us (I am doing some optical stuff which I
think has promise for some disaster recovery scenarios) I go to hamfest and
come home depressed... No wonder it is hard to get young people in the
hobby.

By way the devices we used at the place I worked were COTS boxes from
CompUSA, Circuit City, etc... No black boxes, but some or our guys made
them work. That was stuff we hams used to do and show it to the rest of the
world, now it is bass ackward...

-- 
Chuck Hast  -- KP4DJT --
To paraphrase my flight instructor;
"the only dumb question is the one you DID NOT ask resulting in my going
out and having to identify your bits and pieces in the midst of torn
and twisted metal."