From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
Cc: Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>,
Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
jannh@google.com, jmill@asu.edu, joao@overdrivepizza.com,
linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
luto@kernel.org, samitolvanen@google.com,
scott.d.constable@intel.com, x86@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] Circumventing FineIBT Via Entrypoints
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2025 14:13:21 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250217131321.GO14028@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250217130629.37f556b0@pumpkin>
On Mon, Feb 17, 2025 at 01:06:29PM +0000, David Laight wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Feb 2025 22:07:29 +0100
> Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Feb 14, 2025 at 10:57:51AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 12:53:28PM -0800, Kees Cook wrote:
> > >
> > > > Right, the "if they can control a function pointer" is the part I'm
> > > > focusing on. This attack depends on making an indirect call with a
> > > > controlled pointer. Non-FineIBT CFI will protect against that step,
> > > > so I think this is only an issue for IBT-only and FineIBT, but not CFI
> > > > nor CFI+IBT.
> > >
> > > Yes, the whole caller side validation should stop this.
> >
> > And I think we can retro-fit that in FineIBT. Notably the current call
> > sites look like:
> >
> > 0000000000000060 <fineibt_caller>:
> > 60: 41 ba 78 56 34 12 mov $0x12345678,%r10d
> > 66: 49 83 eb 10 sub $0x10,%r11
> > 6a: 0f 1f 40 00 nopl 0x0(%rax)
> > 6e: 41 ff d3 call *%r11
> > 71: 0f 1f 00 nopl (%rax)
>
> I tried building a fineibt kernel (without LTO) and that isn't what I
> see in the object files.
> (I not trying to run it, just do some analysis.)
> While the call targets have a 16 byte preamble it is all nops apart
> from a final 'mov $hash,%rax'.
> The call site loads $-hash and adds -4(target) and checks for zero.
> It is too small to be patchable into the above.
Right after that comes the retpoline site, which is another 6 bytes
(assuming you have indirect-branch-cs-prefix, which all kCFI enabled
compilers should have).
You need to go read arch/x86/kernel/alternative.c search for FineIBT
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-02-17 13:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-02-12 21:08 [RFC] Circumventing FineIBT Via Entrypoints Jennifer Miller
2025-02-12 22:29 ` Jann Horn
2025-02-13 1:31 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-02-13 2:09 ` Jann Horn
2025-02-13 2:42 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-02-22 20:43 ` Rudolf Marek
2025-02-25 18:10 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-02-25 20:06 ` Rudolf Marek
2025-02-25 21:14 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-02-26 2:55 ` Kees Cook
2025-02-26 22:48 ` Rudolf Marek
2025-02-27 0:41 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-03-01 22:48 ` Rudolf Marek
2025-03-02 19:16 ` Rudolf Marek
2025-03-02 22:31 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-02-28 12:13 ` Florian Weimer
2025-02-13 20:28 ` Kees Cook
2025-02-13 20:41 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-02-13 20:53 ` Kees Cook
2025-02-13 20:57 ` Jann Horn
2025-02-16 23:42 ` Kees Cook
2025-02-14 9:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-15 21:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-16 23:51 ` Kees Cook
2025-02-17 10:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-17 13:06 ` David Laight
2025-02-17 13:13 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2025-02-17 18:38 ` David Laight
2025-02-17 18:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-14 10:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-14 9:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-13 6:15 ` Jennifer Miller
2025-02-13 19:23 ` Jann Horn
2025-02-13 21:24 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-02-13 23:24 ` Jennifer Miller
2025-02-13 23:43 ` Jann Horn
2025-02-14 23:06 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-02-15 0:07 ` Jennifer Miller
2025-02-15 0:11 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-02-15 0:19 ` Jennifer Miller
2025-02-14 22:25 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-02-18 19:18 ` Joao Moreira
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