From: Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>
To: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>, Jennifer Miller <jmill@asu.edu>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org, kees@kernel.org,
joao@overdrivepizza.com, samitolvanen@google.com,
kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Circumventing FineIBT Via Entrypoints
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2025 21:24:18 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <60447cd2-a8da-4be6-80fa-a5639b7455b1@citrix.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAG48ez0Bt9348i=We3-wJ1QrW-_5R-we7y_S3Q1brhoyEdHJ0Q@mail.gmail.com>
On 13/02/2025 7:23 pm, Jann Horn wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2025 at 7:15 AM Jennifer Miller <jmill@asu.edu> wrote:
>> Here is some napkin asm for this I wrote for the 64-bit syscall entrypoint,
>> I think more or less the same could be done for the other entrypoints.
>>
>> ```
>> endbr64
>> test rsp, rsp
>> js slowpath
>>
>> swapgs
>> ~~fastpath continues~~
>>
>> ; path taken when rsp was a kernel address
>> ; we have no choice really but to switch to the stack from the untrusted
>> ; gsbase but after doing so we have to be careful about what we put on the
>> ; stack
>> slowpath:
>> swapgs
I'm afraid I don't follow. By this point, both basic blocks are the
same (a single swapgs).
Malicious userspace can get onto the slowpath by loading a kernel
pointer into %rsp. Furthermore, if the origin of this really was in the
kernel, then ...
>>
>> ; swap stacks as normal
>> mov QWORD PTR gs:[rip+0x7f005f85],rsp # 0x6014 <cpu_tss_rw+20>
>> mov rsp,QWORD PTR gs:[rip+0x7f02c56d] # 0x2c618 <pcpu_hot+24>
... these are memory accesses using the user %gs. As you note a few
lines lower, %gs isn't safe at this point.
A cunning attacker can make gs:[rip+0x7f02c56d] be a read-only mapping,
at point we'll have loaded an attacker controlled %rsp, then take #PF
trying to spill %rsp into pcpu_hot, and now we're running the pagefault
handler on an attacker controlled stack and gsbase.
>> ~~normal push and clear GPRs sequence here~~
>>
>> ; we entered with an rsp in the kernel address range.
>> ; we already did swapgs but we don't know if we can trust our gsbase yet.
>> ; we should be able to trust the ro_after_init __per_cpu_offset array
>> ; though.
>>
>> ; check that gsbase is the expected value for our current cpu
>> rdtscp
>> mov rax, QWORD PTR [8*ecx-0x7d7be460] <__per_cpu_offset>
>>
>> rdgsbase rbx
>>
>> cmp rbx, rax
>> je fastpath_after_regs_preserved
>>
>> wrgsbase rax
Irrespective of other things, you'll need some compatibility strategy
for the fact that RDTSCP and {RD,WR}{FS,GS}BASE cannot be used
unconditionally in 64bit mode. It might be as simple as making FineIBT
depend on their presence to activate, but taking a #UD exception in this
path is also a priv-esc vulnerability.
While all CET-IBT capable CPUs ought to have RDTSCP/*BASE, there are
virt environments where this implication does not hold.
>>
>> ; if we reach here we are being exploited and should explode or attempt
>> ; to recover
>> ```
>>
>> The unfortunate part is that it would still result in the register state
>> being dumped on top of some attacker controlled address, so if the error
>> path is recoverable someone could still use entrypoints to convert control
>> flow hijacking into memory corruption via register dump. So it would kill
>> the ability to get ROP but it would still be possible to dump regs over
>> modprobe_path, core_pattern, etc.
> It is annoying that we (as far as I know) don't have a nice clear
> security model for what exactly CFI in the kernel is supposed to
> achieve - though I guess that's partly because in its current version,
> it only happens to protect against cases where an attacker gets a
> function pointer overwrite, but not the probably more common cases
> where the attacker (also?) gets an object pointer overwrite...
>
>> Does this seem feasible and any better than the alternative of overwriting
>> and restoring KERNEL_GS_BASE?
> The syscall entry point is a hot path; my main reason for suggesting
> the RSP check is that I'm worried about the performance impact of the
> gsbase-overwriting approach, but I don't actually have numbers on
> that. I figure a test + conditional jump is about the cheapest we can
> do...
Yeah, this is the cheapest I can think of too. TEST+JS has been able to
macrofuse since the Core2 era.
> Do we know how many cycles wrgsbase takes, and how serializing
> is it? Sadly Agner Fog's tables don't seem to list it...
Not (architecturally) serialising, and pretty quick IIRC. It is
microcoded, but the segment registers are renamed so it can execute
speculatively.
~Andrew
>
> How would we actually do that overwriting and restoring of
> KERNEL_GS_BASE? Would we need a scratch register for that?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-02-13 21:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-02-12 21:08 [RFC] Circumventing FineIBT Via Entrypoints Jennifer Miller
2025-02-12 22:29 ` Jann Horn
2025-02-13 1:31 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-02-13 2:09 ` Jann Horn
2025-02-13 2:42 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-02-22 20:43 ` Rudolf Marek
2025-02-25 18:10 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-02-25 20:06 ` Rudolf Marek
2025-02-25 21:14 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-02-26 2:55 ` Kees Cook
2025-02-26 22:48 ` Rudolf Marek
2025-02-27 0:41 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-03-01 22:48 ` Rudolf Marek
2025-03-02 19:16 ` Rudolf Marek
2025-03-02 22:31 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-02-28 12:13 ` Florian Weimer
2025-02-13 20:28 ` Kees Cook
2025-02-13 20:41 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-02-13 20:53 ` Kees Cook
2025-02-13 20:57 ` Jann Horn
2025-02-16 23:42 ` Kees Cook
2025-02-14 9:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-15 21:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-16 23:51 ` Kees Cook
2025-02-17 10:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-17 13:06 ` David Laight
2025-02-17 13:13 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-17 18:38 ` David Laight
2025-02-17 18:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-14 10:05 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-14 9:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-02-13 6:15 ` Jennifer Miller
2025-02-13 19:23 ` Jann Horn
2025-02-13 21:24 ` Andrew Cooper [this message]
2025-02-13 23:24 ` Jennifer Miller
2025-02-13 23:43 ` Jann Horn
2025-02-14 23:06 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-02-15 0:07 ` Jennifer Miller
2025-02-15 0:11 ` Andrew Cooper
2025-02-15 0:19 ` Jennifer Miller
2025-02-14 22:25 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2025-02-18 19:18 ` Joao Moreira
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