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From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
To: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
Cc: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-hardening@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andy Shevchenko <andriy.shevchenko@linux.intel.com>,
	Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>,
	Rasmus Villemoes <linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk>,
	Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
	Tycho Andersen <tycho@tycho.pizza>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] kallsyms: Document why unresolved symbols are revealed
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2026 10:01:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260901080142.CMTCw6vE@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <apZ9ea1on8A7o6kk@pathway.suse.cz>

On 2026-09-01 09:23:37 [+0200], Petr Mladek wrote:
> On Mon 2026-08-31 12:49:28, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> > On Mon, 31 Aug 2026 15:37:29 +0200
> > Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de> wrote:
> > 
> > > Could someone yell here, please? I convinced myself that hiding
> > > unresolved pointers is the good thing to do here since a "wrong" pointer
> > > would be seen in backtrace anyway.
> > > 
> > > Thread starts at
> > > 	https://lore.kernel.org/all/20260821152614.2202196-1-bigeasy@linutronix.de/
> > 
> > I wonder if we should just tagged hash values as such:
> > 
> > | [    1.498171]  <TASK>
> > | [    1.498172]  00000000cb9bc262 [hash]
> > | [    1.498174]  ? 00000000eb5021dd [hash]
> > | [    1.498176]  00000000ed1a9938 [hash]
> > | [    1.498178]  </TASK>
> > 
> > So that people will know that the value is just some random hash value and
> > not a real address.
> > 
> > Although rather useless in call stacks, I like hash values because the same
> > address will show up the same.
> > 
> > Having '[unknown]' may also be confusing because it doesn't really say
> > "why" it was unknown. But having a number goes back to what it always did.
> > Hashing it with a "[hash]" marker will also let people know the value was
> > hashed.
> 
> I like this idea. I just wonder whether it might confuse some parsers
> who expect that symbol name is one string. %ps, %pS, %pB are used
> in various context.
> 
> I think about adding the hint into the hashed value, e.g. by using
> 'h' instead of the highest number, something like:
> 
>  [    1.498171]  <TASK>
>  [    1.498172]  h0000000cb9bc262
>  [    1.498174]  ? h0000000eb5021dd
>  [    1.498176]  h0000000ed1a9938
>  [    1.498178]  </TASK>
> 
> But 'h' is not a valid number number so it might confuse parsers as
> well. And it is not that user friedly either.
> 
> So, I still like more Steven's variant with [hash].

While it does make sense to add [hash] to make it obvious it breaks
formatting for some of the %p users where %p is expected to have a fixed
length depending on 32/64 bit. Here, it is a %pS so adding extra it
wouldn't break anything but I don't think it should be different between
%p and %pS assuming we do print the hash instead 'unknown'.

> Best Regards,
> Petr

Sebastian

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-01  8:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-21 15:26 [PATCH v2 0/2] vsprintf: Don't leak pointers Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-08-21 15:26 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] vsprintf: Don't leak pointers for %ps without KALLSYMS enabled Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-08-26 15:56   ` Petr Mladek
2026-08-27  9:14     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-08-27  9:51       ` Petr Mladek
2026-08-31 13:30         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-08-31 14:22           ` Petr Mladek
2026-08-21 15:26 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] kallsyms: Document why unresolved symbols are revealed Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-08-26 16:21   ` Petr Mladek
2026-08-27 10:24     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-08-31 13:37       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-08-31 16:49         ` Steven Rostedt
2026-09-01  7:23           ` Petr Mladek
2026-09-01  8:01             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior [this message]
2026-09-01 13:30               ` Steven Rostedt
2026-08-26 14:51 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] vsprintf: Don't leak pointers Sebastian Andrzej Siewior

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