[Linux-ia64] Distributions using gcc 3.2 or later

[Linux-ia64] Distributions using gcc 3.2 or later

[Perry Wagle]

Hi --

I need to test and improve modifications of GCC 3.2 or later on a IA64 
as part of a demonstration that those modifications aren't IA32 
specific.  As it is, I am just now showing that I can build entire 
production quality Linux distributions with my (currently non-standard) 
compilers on IA32, and I want to extend that to a couple more platforms.

Intel has graciously short-term-loaned me a IA64.  Before Christmas 
break, I poked around, and all the Linux distributions for IA64 seemed 
GCC 2.96 based, except for the Redhat rawhide distribution.  But, 
testing with alpha-test distributions makes me nervous that I would be 
testing much more than my changes.  Now that my compiler modification 
is starting to work, I thought I'd poke my head out and ask what 
distribution I should use that would expect GCC 3.2 or later?

Or perhaps, if you have a fork going in GCC for IA64, I should use it 
instead?  The purpose is to propose inclusion of my modifications into 
the GCC main branch.

-- Perry Wagle (wagle@wirex.com)

RE: [Linux-ia64] Distributions using gcc 3.2 or later

[Martin Schimmer]

Ladies(are you around?) and guys,

can we quickly put together short up-to-date list of "stable" distros for
IA64 plafrorm? You can mention what compiler and libc it is based and
whether it's free or commercial

I am only aware of:

RedHat 7.2	gcc 2.96/glibc 2.2.4	 freely available


Perry, what kind of modifications are you talking about? In what part of the
compiler?

Cheers!

Martin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Perry Wagle [mailto:wagle@wirex.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 6:44 PM
> To: linux-ia64@linuxia64.org
> Subject: [Linux-ia64] Distributions using gcc 3.2 or later
> 
> 
> Hi --
> 
> I need to test and improve modifications of GCC 3.2 or later 
> on a IA64 
> as part of a demonstration that those modifications aren't IA32 
> specific.  As it is, I am just now showing that I can build entire 
> production quality Linux distributions with my (currently 
> non-standard) 
> compilers on IA32, and I want to extend that to a couple more 
> platforms.
> 
> Intel has graciously short-term-loaned me a IA64.  Before Christmas 
> break, I poked around, and all the Linux distributions for 
> IA64 seemed 
> GCC 2.96 based, except for the Redhat rawhide distribution.  But, 
> testing with alpha-test distributions makes me nervous that I 
> would be 
> testing much more than my changes.  Now that my compiler modification 
> is starting to work, I thought I'd poke my head out and ask what 
> distribution I should use that would expect GCC 3.2 or later?
> 
> Or perhaps, if you have a fork going in GCC for IA64, I should use it 
> instead?  The purpose is to propose inclusion of my 
> modifications into 
> the GCC main branch.
> 
> -- Perry Wagle (wagle@wirex.com)
> 
> 
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Re: [Linux-ia64] Distributions using gcc 3.2 or later

[Randolph Chung]

> RedHat 7.2	gcc 2.96/glibc 2.2.4	 freely available
Debian 3.0      gcc 2.96/glibc 2.2.5    freely available

(for reference, the Debian unstable distribution is based on gcc
3.2/glibc 2.3.1)

randolph
-- 
Randolph Chung
Debian GNU/Linux Developer, hppa/ia64 ports
http://www.tausq.org/

Re: [Linux-ia64] Distributions using gcc 3.2 or later

[David Mosberger]

>>>>> On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 09:43:39 -0800, Perry Wagle <wagle@wirex.com> said:

  Perry> Intel has graciously short-term-loaned me a IA64.  Before
  Perry> Christmas break, I poked around, and all the Linux
  Perry> distributions for IA64 seemed GCC 2.96 based, except for the
  Perry> Redhat rawhide distribution.  But, testing with alpha-test
  Perry> distributions makes me nervous that I would be testing much
  Perry> more than my changes.  Now that my compiler modification is
  Perry> starting to work, I thought I'd poke my head out and ask what
  Perry> distribution I should use that would expect GCC 3.2 or later?

Debian/unstable also uses gcc-3.2.  As you'd expect, this version
isn't as solid as Debian/stable, but it's definitely usable (I'm
running it on my McKinley workstation at work).  The main thing is
that stuff sometimes breaks temporarily (e.g., it seems the X server
broke a couple of days ago), but usually those can be fixed by
downgrading to the "stable" version of the package.

	--david

Re: [Linux-ia64] Distributions using gcc 3.2 or later

[Matthew Wilcox]

On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 07:05:19PM +0100, Martin Schimmer wrote:
> can we quickly put together short up-to-date list of "stable" distros for
> IA64 plafrorm? You can mention what compiler and libc it is based and
> whether it's free or commercial
> 
> I am only aware of:
> 
> RedHat 7.2	gcc 2.96/glibc 2.2.4	 freely available

Boy, are you not looking very hard ;-)  On www.linuxia64.org:

IA-64 Linux Distributions
# Caldera Systems (initial release 8/4/00) Download at ftp.caldera.com/pub/OpenLinux64
# Debian (initial release 8/10/01) Download at www.debian.org/ports/ia64
# Red Hat (initial release 5/17/00) Download at ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/ia64
# SuSE (initial release 6/13/00) Download at ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/ia64
# TurboLinux (initial release 3/13/00) Download at www.turbolinux.com/ia64.html

I'd think that `initial release' is no longer a very useful thing to
have, so perhaps this list should be replaced by a list of `most recent
release' instead.  I don't see a `contact the webmaster' link, so maybe
he or she reads this list...

Debian released Woody in 2002.
SuSE announced: "Enterprise Server 8 is also available for [...] HP
Itanium 2-based servers, [...]"
Red Hat released AS & AW for ia64.

Not aware of any other announcements, but I don't follow that too closely.

-- 
"It's not Hollywood.  War is real, war is primarily not about defeat or
victory, it is about death.  I've seen thousands and thousands of dead bodies.
Do you think I want to have an academic debate on this subject?" -- Robert Fisk

Re: [Linux-ia64] Distributions using gcc 3.2 or later

[Gwenole Beauchesne]

Hi,

> RedHat 7.2	gcc 2.96/glibc 2.2.4	 freely available

Mandrake Linux 8.1	gcc 2.96/glibc 2.2.4	freely available
There will be a 9.0 too, based on gcc 3.2[.X]/glibc 2.2.5.

Bye,
Gwenole.

Re: [Linux-ia64] Distributions using gcc 3.2 or later

[n0ano]

Yes, I read the list.  I pretty much put up whatever the distro's want.
If anyone wants to change the page let me know and I'll take care of it.

On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 06:26:07PM +0000, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
>
>...
> 
> I'd think that `initial release' is no longer a very useful thing to
> have, so perhaps this list should be replaced by a list of `most recent
> release' instead.  I don't see a `contact the webmaster' link, so maybe
> he or she reads this list...
> 
>..
>

-- 
Don Dugger
"Censeo Toto nos in Kansa esse decisse." - D. Gale
n0ano@n0ano.com
Ph: 303/652-0870x117

Re: [Linux-ia64] Distributions using gcc 3.2 or later

[Matthew Wilcox]

On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 12:12:53PM -0700, n0ano@n0ano.com wrote:
> Yes, I read the list.  I pretty much put up whatever the distro's want.
> If anyone wants to change the page let me know and I'll take care of it.

Well, I'd like to change the purpose of that list.  Back when ia64 was new,
I think there were significant bragging rights for `First Distro!'.  But
I think we're beyond that now, and it'd be a more useful list if it has
`Most up to date release distro'.  So I'd be in favour of something like:

<h2>IA-64 Linux Distributions</h2>
<li>Debian 3.0 (Woody) <a HREF ="http://www.debian.org/distrib/">Download instructions</a> 
<li>Red Hat Advanced Workstation<a HREF="http://www.redhat.com/somewhere/i/can't/find/anything/on/their/website/">Information</a>
<li>Red Hat Advanced Server <a HREF="http://www.redhat.com/somewhere/i/can't/find/anything/on/their/website/">Information</a>
<li>SuSE Enterprise Edition <a HREF="http://www.suse.com/us/business/products/sles/sles7/sles_ia64/index.html">Information</a> 

Obviously representatives from those companies should suggest better
wording & URLs than this ;-)

Disagreements?

-- 
"It's not Hollywood.  War is real, war is primarily not about defeat or
victory, it is about death.  I've seen thousands and thousands of dead bodies.
Do you think I want to have an academic debate on this subject?" -- Robert Fisk

RE: [Linux-ia64] Distributions using gcc 3.2 or later

[Wichmann, Mats D]

> But I think we're beyond that now, and it'd be a more useful list 
> if it has `Most up to date release distro'.  So I'd be in favour of 
> something like:
...
> Obviously representatives from those companies should suggest better
> wording & URLs than this ;-)

Sadly (from some viewpoints, anyway; I don't mean to
comment on anyone's business practices, it's just that
we've gotten *used* to this stuff being splattered all
over the net), several of the distros are taking the 
position that Itanium 2 distributions will fit into
high-end server products only, and will not be made 
available for free download, at least not as ready-to-burn
ISOs.  I think that's why you got the "can't-find-on-website"
response for Red Hat AS/AW, for example.

So I'd vote for this approach:

  if you want to be listed, send a note to the maintainer
  with a pointer to the best available "how to obtain" page 
  for that product.

Re: [Linux-ia64] Distributions using gcc 3.2 or later

[Grant Grundler]

On Wed, Jan 15, 2003 at 09:43:39AM -0800, Perry Wagle wrote:
> Intel has graciously short-term-loaned me a IA64.

As mentioned before (Is this a FAQ yet?), you can also get access
to ia64-linux machines at testdrive.hp.com.

grant