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From: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
To: linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Linux-ia64] Re: 64 Bits DMA Addresses for Alloc Consistent
Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 23:39:40 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <marc-linux-ia64-105590723705856@msgid-missing> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <marc-linux-ia64-105590723705823@msgid-missing>

   From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@debian.org>
   Date: Thu, 15 May 2003 22:29:18 +0100
   
   From the way he's talking,

My main point is that device attributes belong IN THE DEVICE
not in some umpteenth new parameter to the DMA interfaces.

Just put consistent_dma_mask into the device struct next to
the existing dma_mask, voila problem solved.

I have two major problems with the generic DMA interfaces
and how they are being handled in general:

1) Their use is entirely inappropriate in unary-bus devices.
   There is no way someone can justify some PCI driver continually
   asking itself whether it is a PCI device or not on each DMA
   API call.

2) Additions to the parameters in the interfaces is not given
   enough thought.  Each new parameter you add is a discrete failure
   of the API.  It was built to be simple, and new parameters do
   nothing but add complexity.

   I cannot even fathom that someone would suggest to pass device
   attributes into the DMA interfaces.  That is just garbage and
   unnecessary bloat.

Finally, I see nobody tackling the real hard bugs we have in the DMA
API.  These should be fixed first before adding random DMA behaviorial
attributes.  For example, pci_dma_sync_*() sucks because it only syncs
in one direction, device to cpu, there is nothing available to sync
things back from cpu-->device.  This prevents MIPS from using the
devices that need to do syncs without unmaps (eepro100 is but one
example, USB host controller drivers want this too).


  parent reply	other threads:[~2003-05-15 23:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 83+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-05-15 14:44 [Linux-ia64] Re: 64 Bits DMA Addresses for Alloc Consistent Interfaces Colin Ngam
2003-05-15 14:44 ` James Bottomley
2003-05-15 15:05 ` Colin Ngam
2003-05-15 15:06 ` David Mosberger
2003-05-15 15:12 ` James Bottomley
2003-05-15 15:47 ` David Mosberger
2003-05-15 15:48 ` David Mosberger
2003-05-15 15:48 ` Colin Ngam
2003-05-15 15:50 ` Colin Ngam
2003-05-15 19:06 ` Grant Grundler
2003-05-15 19:14 ` David Mosberger
2003-05-15 19:16 ` Grant Grundler
2003-05-15 19:29 ` Grant Grundler
2003-05-15 20:07 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-15 20:15 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-15 20:19 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-15 20:24 ` Jesse Barnes
2003-05-15 21:17 ` Grant Grundler
2003-05-15 21:29 ` Matthew Wilcox
2003-05-15 22:14 ` Colin Ngam
2003-05-15 22:44 ` Colin Ngam
2003-05-15 22:47 ` James Bottomley
2003-05-15 23:24 ` James Bottomley
2003-05-15 23:25 ` Colin Ngam
2003-05-15 23:27 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-15 23:32 ` Colin Ngam
2003-05-15 23:39 ` David S. Miller [this message]
2003-05-15 23:40 ` Colin Ngam
2003-05-15 23:40 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-15 23:41 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-15 23:42 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-15 23:45 ` Colin Ngam
2003-05-15 23:46 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-15 23:51 ` Colin Ngam
2003-05-15 23:53 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-15 23:57 ` Colin Ngam
2003-05-16  0:03 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-16  0:06 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-16  0:11 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-16  0:17 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-16  0:29 ` Jesse Barnes
2003-05-16  0:31 ` James Bottomley
2003-05-16  0:31 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-16  0:32 ` Colin Ngam
2003-05-16  0:32 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-16  0:36 ` Colin Ngam
2003-05-16  0:37 ` Jesse Barnes
2003-05-16  0:48 ` Colin Ngam
2003-05-16  0:59 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-16  1:20 ` Grant Grundler
2003-05-16  1:23 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-16  1:51 ` Grant Grundler
2003-05-16  1:59 ` Colin Ngam
2003-05-16  2:05 ` [Linux-ia64] Re: 64 Bits DMA Addresses for Alloc Consistent James Bottomley
2003-05-16  2:08 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-16  2:26 ` James Bottomley
2003-05-16  2:32 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-16  6:47 ` [Linux-ia64] Re: 64 Bits DMA Addresses for Alloc Consistent Interfaces Jeremy Higdon
2003-05-16  6:55 ` David S. Miller
2003-05-16  7:15 ` Jeremy Higdon
2003-05-16  7:35 ` Jeremy Higdon
2003-05-16  7:48 ` Jeremy Higdon
2003-05-16  7:53 ` [Linux-ia64] Re: 64 Bits DMA Addresses for Alloc Consistent David S. Miller
2003-05-16  8:00 ` [Linux-ia64] Re: 64 Bits DMA Addresses for Alloc Consistent Interfaces Jeremy Higdon
2003-05-16 17:36 ` [Linux-ia64] Re: 64 Bits DMA Addresses for Alloc Consistent James Bottomley
2003-05-16 17:59 ` [Linux-ia64] Re: 64 Bits DMA Addresses for Alloc Consistent Interfaces Grant Grundler
2003-05-16 18:13 ` [Linux-ia64] Re: 64 Bits DMA Addresses for Alloc Consistent James Bottomley
2003-05-16 18:18 ` [Linux-ia64] Re: 64 Bits DMA Addresses for Alloc Consistent Interfaces Russell King
2003-05-16 18:23 ` Grant Grundler
2003-05-16 18:29 ` [Linux-ia64] Re: 64 Bits DMA Addresses for Alloc Consistent James Bottomley
2003-05-16 21:02 ` [Linux-ia64] Re: 64 Bits DMA Addresses for Alloc Consistent Interfaces Jes Sorensen
2003-05-16 21:06 ` [Linux-ia64] Re: 64 Bits DMA Addresses for Alloc Consistent David S. Miller
2003-05-16 22:39 ` [Linux-ia64] Re: 64 Bits DMA Addresses for Alloc Consistent Interfaces Jeremy Higdon
2003-05-16 23:40 ` Jeremy Higdon
2003-05-16 23:53 ` [Linux-ia64] Re: 64 Bits DMA Addresses for Alloc Consistent David S. Miller
2003-05-17  4:26 ` [Linux-ia64] Re: 64 Bits DMA Addresses for Alloc Consistent Interfaces Grant Grundler
2003-05-17  4:34 ` [Linux-ia64] Re: 64 Bits DMA Addresses for Alloc Consistent David S. Miller
2003-05-17 16:44 ` [Linux-ia64] Re: 64 Bits DMA Addresses for Alloc Consistent Interfaces Jes Sorensen
2003-05-17 17:06 ` [Linux-ia64] Re: 64 Bits DMA Addresses for Alloc Consistent Colin Ngam
2003-05-17 18:36 ` James Bottomley
2003-05-17 21:09 ` [Linux-ia64] Re: 64 Bits DMA Addresses for Alloc Consistent Interfaces Russell King
2003-05-17 22:17 ` [Linux-ia64] Re: 64 Bits DMA Addresses for Alloc Consistent David S. Miller
2003-05-18 15:53 ` James Bottomley

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