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From: Niklas Cassel <Niklas.Cassel@wdc.com>
To: Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>
Cc: Damien Le Moal <damien.lemoal@opensource.wdc.com>,
	"Maciej S. Szmigiero" <mail@maciej.szmigiero.name>,
	"linux-ide@vger.kernel.org" <linux-ide@vger.kernel.org>,
	Sergey Shtylyov <s.shtylyov@omp.ru>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/3] Improve libata support for FUA
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2022 09:01:13 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y1el2NyL0lRFMTqA@x1-carbon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <709fb497-df73-0ee7-06db-1fb4c2e50cf6@suse.de>

On Tue, Oct 25, 2022 at 09:05:02AM +0200, Hannes Reinecke wrote:
> On 10/25/22 01:26, Damien Le Moal wrote:
> > On 10/25/22 07:09, Damien Le Moal wrote:
> > > On 10/25/22 03:48, Maciej S. Szmigiero wrote:
> > > > On 24.10.2022 09:26, Damien Le Moal wrote:
> > > > > These patches cleanup and improve libata support for the FUA device
> > > > > feature. Patch 3 enables FUA support by default for any drive that
> > > > > reports supporting the feature.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Changes from v1:
> > > > >    - Removed Maciej's patch 2. Instead, blacklist drives which are known
> > > > >      to have a buggy FUA support.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Damien Le Moal (3):
> > > > >     ata: libata: cleanup fua handling
> > > > >     ata: libata: blacklist FUA support for known buggy drives
> > > > >     ata: libata: Enable fua support by default
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for the updated series.
> > > > 
> > > > In general (besides the small commit message thing that Sergey had
> > > > already mentioned) it looks good to me, so:
> > > > Reviewed-by: Maciej S. Szmigiero <maciej.szmigiero@oracle.com>
> > > 
> > > Thanks. I need to do some more testing using some very old drives I found.
> > > So far, no issues: detection works, some drives have FUA, other not. For
> > > the ones that have FUA, I am running fstests (ext4 and xfs) to check for
> > > weird behavior with REQ_FUA writes. Once I complete all tests I will queue
> > > this.
> > 
> > Actually, I need to take this back. Checking again the code, I found an
> > issue with this entire FUA support: for a drive that does not support NCQ,
> > or one that has NCQ but has its queue depth set to one, then for a REQ_FUA
> > write request, ATA_CMD_WRITE_MULTI_FUA_EXT or ATA_CMD_WRITE_FUA_EXT will
> > be used. All good, BUT ! sd.c may also send read requests with the FUA bit
> > set if the read request has REQ_FUA set. For read commands, the regular,
> > non FUA commands ATA_CMD_READ_MULTI, ATA_CMD_READ_MULTI_EXT, ATA_CMD_READ
> > or ATA_CMD_READ_EXT will be used since ATA does not define a FUA version
> > of these. This means that the REQ_FUA flag will be ignored: this entire
> > code is broken as it is assuming that the read command processing on the
> > drive is consistent with executions of ATA_CMD_WRITE_MULTI_FUA_EXT or
> > ATA_CMD_WRITE_FUA_EXT. I do not want to bet on that, especially with old
> > drives.
> > 
> Now you got me confused.
> What exactly would be the semantics of a READ request with the FUA bit set?
> Ignore the cache and read from disk?

The opposite:
"If the device holds a modified copy of the requested data as a result of
having volatile cached writes, the modified data shall be written to the
non-volatile media before being retrieved from the non-volatile media as
part of this operation."


Kind regards,
Niklas

      parent reply	other threads:[~2022-10-25  9:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-10-24  7:26 [PATCH v2 0/3] Improve libata support for FUA Damien Le Moal
2022-10-24  7:26 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] ata: libata: cleanup fua handling Damien Le Moal
2022-10-24  7:26 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] ata: libata: blacklist FUA support for known buggy drives Damien Le Moal
2022-10-24  7:52   ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-10-24  7:26 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] ata: libata: Enable fua support by default Damien Le Moal
2022-10-24 10:16   ` Sergey Shtylyov
2022-10-24 11:15     ` Damien Le Moal
2022-10-24 18:48 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] Improve libata support for FUA Maciej S. Szmigiero
2022-10-24 22:09   ` Damien Le Moal
2022-10-24 23:26     ` Damien Le Moal
2022-10-25  0:22       ` Damien Le Moal
2022-10-25  7:05       ` Hannes Reinecke
2022-10-25  8:59         ` Damien Le Moal
2022-10-25  9:41           ` Niklas Cassel
2022-10-25 18:13           ` Maciej S. Szmigiero
2022-10-25 23:21             ` Damien Le Moal
2022-10-25  9:01         ` Niklas Cassel [this message]

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