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From: Benjamin Marzinski <bmarzins@redhat.com>
To: Mike Snitzer <snitzer@kernel.org>
Cc: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
	dm-devel@lists.linux.dev, linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org,
	Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>,
	Roberto Sassu <roberto.sassu@huawei.com>,
	Dmitry Kasatkin <dmitry.kasatkin@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 00/10] Fix dm-ima bugs
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2026 14:35:03 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ad6I1yu6b26qRbEa@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ad51kuxJuU84Amep@kernel.org>

On Tue, Apr 14, 2026 at 01:12:50PM -0400, Mike Snitzer wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2026 at 08:22:34PM -0400, Benjamin Marzinski wrote:
> > The dm-ima code does not guarantee that the dm_ima_measure_on_*
> > functions will not be called at the same time. Since they modify and
> > free shared memory, this can lead to Use-After-Free errors or garbage
> > measurements. Further, they don't make sure that the state they measure
> > corresponds to the actual device state. For instance if table_load()
> > runs at the same time as do_resume() on a table swap,
> > dm_ima_measure_on_device_resume() can end up thinking the wrong table is
> > active. Or a concurrent dm_hash_rename() and a table swap, can end up
> > with a the new active table still using the old name. This patchset
> > makes sure the the dm-ima function are serialized and report the correct
> > device state.
> > 
> > However, the code is still messier that in could be. This is because
> > it duplicates the current measurement events and format. I would really
> > like to know if that is necessary. Specifically, it currently measures
> > the following dm device and table actions:
> > 
> > load
> > clear
> > rename
> > resume
> > remove
> > 
> > I don't see the benefit of reporting changes to the inactive table, or
> > resumes where the device does not change state. From the user's point of
> > view, the device is still the same after these events.  At the same
> > time, it doesn't measure device creates if no table was loaded, so you
> > can have situations where the the first measurement for a device is a
> > rename or a remove. A more sensible set of actions to measure would be:
> > 
> > create
> > table_swap
> > rename
> > remove
> > 
> > Also, the measurement format doesn't map well to how dm device's are
> > actually set up, in a way that makes it harder for the code and records
> > extraneous information. First, like I mentioned before, I don't see the
> > benefit of measuring the inactive table. Second, the name, uuid, and
> > major/minor numbers are properties of the device, not it's table (and dm
> > devices can't have partitions, so the minor count will always be 1). I
> > don't see a reason to store and occasinally log this information twice,
> > if there is an active and incative table, and it forces extra
> > coordination between the dm_ima_measure_on_* functions.
> > 
> > I'm wondering it we are stuck with the current events and format, now
> > that this has been released? Or could we bump the version, and change
> > what events we measure, and how we format the output?
> > 
> > Benjamin Marzinski (10):
> >   dm-ima: remove dm_ima_reset_data()
> >   dm-ima: remove broken last_target_measured logic
> >   dm-ima: Remove status_flags from dm_ima_measure_on_table_load()
> >   dm-ima: don't copy the active table to the inactive table
> >   dm-ima: Fix UAF errors and measuring incorrect context
> >   dm-ima: remove new_map from dm_ima_measure_on_device_clear
> >   dm-ima: Fix issues with dm_ima_measure_on_device_rename
> >   dm-ima: Handle race between rename and table swap
> >   dm-ima: Fail more gracefully in dm_ima_measure_on_*
> >   dm-ima: use active table's size if available
> > 
> >  drivers/md/dm-ima.c   | 506 +++++++++++++++++++-----------------------
> >  drivers/md/dm-ima.h   |  67 ++++--
> >  drivers/md/dm-ioctl.c | 146 +++++++++++-
> >  drivers/md/dm.c       |   2 +-
> >  4 files changed, 421 insertions(+), 300 deletions(-)
> 
> Pretty extensive changes needed here all things considered.
> 
> SO I'm aware, who is using dm-ima?  I see that Tushar Sugandhi is no
> longer at Microsoft and so he isn't cc'd on these changes.  I can
> infer from Cc some potential users, but I just want to make sure this
> code isn't just technical debt that we're having to carry in DM now?

I don't actually know if anyone is. The issue is that the Use After Free
crashes can happen as long as CONFIG_IMA is set, regardless of whether
or not you have any IMA policy set.

If we don't need to care, we could just serialize the
dm_ima_measure_on_* functions to keep them from having concurrent access
to shared memory, and let them keep reporting bogus data if there are
races (or simply unfortunate orderings. load then rename then resume
currently forgets the rename, even without a race) That's a much smaller
change, and if they're currently good enough for any users, it won't
make them any worse.

-Ben

> 
> Thanks,
> Mike


  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-14 18:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-14  0:22 [RFC PATCH 00/10] Fix dm-ima bugs Benjamin Marzinski
2026-04-14  0:22 ` [PATCH 01/10] dm-ima: remove dm_ima_reset_data() Benjamin Marzinski
2026-04-14  0:22 ` [PATCH 02/10] dm-ima: remove broken last_target_measured logic Benjamin Marzinski
2026-04-14  0:22 ` [PATCH 03/10] dm-ima: Remove status_flags from dm_ima_measure_on_table_load() Benjamin Marzinski
2026-04-14  0:22 ` [PATCH 04/10] dm-ima: don't copy the active table to the inactive table Benjamin Marzinski
2026-04-14  0:22 ` [PATCH 05/10] dm-ima: Fix UAF errors and measuring incorrect context Benjamin Marzinski
2026-04-14  0:22 ` [PATCH 06/10] dm-ima: remove new_map from dm_ima_measure_on_device_clear Benjamin Marzinski
2026-04-14  0:22 ` [PATCH 07/10] dm-ima: Fix issues with dm_ima_measure_on_device_rename Benjamin Marzinski
2026-04-14  0:22 ` [PATCH 08/10] dm-ima: Handle race between rename and table swap Benjamin Marzinski
2026-04-14  0:22 ` [PATCH 09/10] dm-ima: Fail more gracefully in dm_ima_measure_on_* Benjamin Marzinski
2026-04-14  0:22 ` [PATCH 10/10] dm-ima: use active table's size if available Benjamin Marzinski
2026-04-14 17:12 ` [RFC PATCH 00/10] Fix dm-ima bugs Mike Snitzer
2026-04-14 18:35   ` Benjamin Marzinski [this message]
2026-04-15  2:06   ` Mimi Zohar

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