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From: Benno Lossin <benno.lossin@proton.me>
To: Sami Tolvanen <samitolvanen@google.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Cc: Matthew Maurer <mmaurer@google.com>,
	Masahiro Yamada <masahiroy@kernel.org>,
	Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	Miguel Ojeda <ojeda@kernel.org>,
	Alex Gaynor <alex.gaynor@gmail.com>,
	Wedson Almeida Filho <wedsonaf@gmail.com>,
	Gary Guo <gary@garyguo.net>, Petr Pavlu <petr.pavlu@suse.com>,
	Neal Gompa <neal@gompa.dev>, Hector Martin <marcan@marcan.st>,
	Janne Grunau <j@jannau.net>, Asahi Linux <asahi@lists.linux.dev>,
	linux-kbuild@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-modules@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 16/19] gendwarfksyms: Add support for reserved structure fields
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2024 13:29:21 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b1271470-3d96-4e59-9daa-59ebd7182077@proton.me> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABCJKud--imREq8E6uuk4XwatLsKC7ikmyoLKJStqr3Azz0Hdw@mail.gmail.com>

On 23.08.24 21:17, Sami Tolvanen wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2024 at 11:53 PM Greg Kroah-Hartman
> <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 22, 2024 at 12:00:15PM +0000, Benno Lossin wrote:
>>>> Here's one example in the android tree where 4 64bit fields are reserved
>>>> for future abi changes:
>>>>     https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/common/+/refs/heads/android12-5.10/include/linux/fs.h#421
>>>>
>>>> And here's a different place where a field is being used with many
>>>> remaining for future use:
>>>>     https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/common/+/refs/heads/android12-5.10/include/linux/sched.h#1379
>>>>
>>>> And also, we want/need lots of other space reservation at times, look at
>>>> how "Others" can get access to reserved areas in structures that need to
>>>> be done in an abi-safe way:
>>>>     https://android.googlesource.com/kernel/common/+/refs/heads/android12-5.10/include/linux/sched.h#1375
>>>
>>> Let me correct myself, it's only possible to replace one `KAbiReserved`
>>> by one new field. You can have as many fields of type `KAbiReserved` as
>>> you want. The thing that you can't do is replace a single `KAbiReserved`
>>> field by multiple (well you can, but then you have to change the sites
>>> that use it).
>>
>> That's odd/foolish, why would that be the case?  Isn't that exactly what
>> a union is for?  How are you going to know ahead of time what size types
>> to save space for?
> 
> I believe Benno is referring to the lack of anonymous structures in
> Rust. While you can replace a reserved field with a struct that
> contains multiple smaller fields, you can't access the fields
> transparently from the parent struct like you can in C:
> 
>     struct s { struct { u32 a; u32 b; }; };
>     struct s s;
>     s.a = 0;
>     ...
> 
> It looks like nightly Rust does have some level of support for unnamed
> fields in unions, but the implementation is not yet complete:
> 
> https://play.rust-lang.org/?version=nightly&mode=debug&edition=2021&gist=4f268d308fe6aa7a47566c7080c6e604
> 
> Benno, Matt, are you familiar with this feature?

No, thanks for pointing that out!

But this will run into the issue that field access for unions is
`unsafe`. So we can't really use it. I also tried to use our current
`KAbiReserved<T, R>` approach and using this as `T`:

    struct Foo {
        _: struct { a: u32, b: u32 }
    }

But that doesn't work.

---
Cheers,
Benno


  reply	other threads:[~2024-08-24 13:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 105+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-08-15 17:39 [PATCH v2 00/19] Implement DWARF modversions Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 01/19] tools: Add gendwarfksyms Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-16  7:14   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-08-27 16:44     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-26 17:41   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-08-26 18:47     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-28 12:31       ` Petr Pavlu
2024-08-28 21:28         ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-28 17:45   ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-08-28 21:32     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-05  2:29   ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-09-05 20:52     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-10  9:43       ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-09-10 21:09         ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 02/19] gendwarfksyms: Add symbol list handling Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-27  9:16   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-08-27 18:47     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-28 12:35   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-08-28 23:09     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-02  9:52       ` Petr Pavlu
2024-08-28 18:16   ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-08-28 21:50     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-01 10:59   ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-09-04 20:51     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 03/19] gendwarfksyms: Add address matching Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-27 12:40   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-08-27 21:28     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-28 18:22   ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-08-28 21:56     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-01 11:10   ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-09-04 20:48     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 04/19] gendwarfksyms: Add support for type pointers Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-28  6:50   ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-08-28  7:15     ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-08-28 21:58       ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 05/19] gendwarfksyms: Expand base_type Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-28 12:46   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-08-28 22:19     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 06/19] gendwarfksyms: Add a cache for processed DIEs Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-28 18:15   ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-08-28 22:27     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-02 10:05   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-09-05 17:19     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 07/19] gendwarfksyms: Expand type modifiers and typedefs Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 08/19] gendwarfksyms: Expand subroutine_type Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-03 15:11   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-09-05 17:22     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 09/19] gendwarfksyms: Expand array_type Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 10/19] gendwarfksyms: Expand structure types Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 11/19] gendwarfksyms: Limit structure expansion Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-03 15:15   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-09-05 18:15     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 12/19] gendwarfksyms: Add die_map debugging Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 13/19] gendwarfksyms: Add symtypes output Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-10 14:58   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-09-10 21:15     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 14/19] gendwarfksyms: Add symbol versioning Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-11 10:08   ` Petr Pavlu
2024-09-11 16:03     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-12 10:28       ` Petr Pavlu
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 15/19] gendwarfksyms: Add support for declaration-only data structures Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 16/19] gendwarfksyms: Add support for reserved structure fields Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-16  7:20   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-08-16 15:50     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-17  7:41       ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-08-17 13:19         ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-19 18:25           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-08-19 21:46             ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-19 19:38           ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-19 22:16             ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-20 18:47               ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-20 20:03                 ` Matthew Maurer
2024-08-21 11:31                   ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-21 23:01                     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-21 23:29                     ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-08-22  5:55                       ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-22  7:29                         ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-08-22 12:00                           ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-22 23:53                             ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-08-23 19:17                               ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-24 13:29                                 ` Benno Lossin [this message]
2024-08-24 13:27                               ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-30  9:34   ` Miroslav Benes
2024-08-31  0:05     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-11 11:43       ` Petr Pavlu
2024-09-12 16:06         ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-12 18:08           ` Benno Lossin
2024-09-12 20:58             ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-12 21:58               ` Benno Lossin
2024-09-12 22:37                 ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-13  8:00                   ` Benno Lossin
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 17/19] export: Add __gendwarfksyms_ptr_ references to exported symbols Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 18/19] x86/asm-prototypes: Include <asm/ptrace.h> Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-01 10:50   ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-09-04 20:47     ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 17:39 ` [PATCH v2 19/19] kbuild: Add gendwarfksyms as an alternative to genksyms Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-15 20:13 ` [PATCH v2 00/19] Implement DWARF modversions Sedat Dilek
2024-08-15 20:47   ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-21  0:12     ` Sedat Dilek
2024-08-16  7:15 ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2024-08-22 16:43 ` Jonathan Corbet
2024-08-22 17:57   ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-08-28  7:04 ` Masahiro Yamada
2024-08-28 22:53   ` Sami Tolvanen
2024-09-02  9:57     ` Petr Pavlu

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