From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: Kautuk Consul <kconsul@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Chao Peng <chao.p.peng@linux.intel.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v7 08/14] KVM: Rename mmu_notifier_*
Date: Wed, 24 May 2023 13:16:03 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZG5wg3VbG4rCYrfk@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZG2qv9sWl2RUnGqd@li-a450e7cc-27df-11b2-a85c-b5a9ac31e8ef.ibm.com>
On Wed, May 24, 2023, Kautuk Consul wrote:
> On 2023-05-23 07:19:43, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > On Tue, May 23, 2023, Kautuk Consul wrote:
> > > On 2022-07-06 16:20:10, Chao Peng wrote:
> > > > diff --git a/include/linux/kvm_host.h b/include/linux/kvm_host.h
> > > > index e9153b54e2a4..c262ebb168a7 100644
> > > > --- a/include/linux/kvm_host.h
> > > > +++ b/include/linux/kvm_host.h
> > > > @@ -765,10 +765,10 @@ struct kvm {
> > > >
> > > > #if defined(CONFIG_MMU_NOTIFIER) && defined(KVM_ARCH_WANT_MMU_NOTIFIER)
> > > > struct mmu_notifier mmu_notifier;
> > > > - unsigned long mmu_notifier_seq;
> > > > - long mmu_notifier_count;
> > > > - gfn_t mmu_notifier_range_start;
> > > > - gfn_t mmu_notifier_range_end;
> > > > + unsigned long mmu_updating_seq;
> > > > + long mmu_updating_count;
> > >
> > > Can we convert mmu_updating_seq and mmu_updating_count to atomic_t ?
> >
> > Heh, can we? Yes. Should we? No.
> >
> > > I see that not all accesses to these are under the kvm->mmu_lock
> > > spinlock.
> >
> > Ya, working as intended. Ignoring gfn_to_pfn_cache for the moment, all accesses
> > to mmu_invalidate_in_progress (was mmu_notifier_count / mmu_updating_count above)
> > are done under mmu_lock. And for for mmu_notifier_seq (mmu_updating_seq above),
> > all writes and some reads are done under mmu_lock. The only reads that are done
> > outside of mmu_lock are the initial snapshots of the sequence number.
> >
> > gfn_to_pfn_cache uses a different locking scheme, the comments in
> > mmu_notifier_retry_cache() do a good job explaining the ordering.
> >
> > > This will also remove the need for putting separate smp_wmb() and
> > > smp_rmb() memory barriers while accessing these structure members.
> >
> > No, the memory barriers aren't there to provide any kind of atomicity. The barriers
> > exist to ensure that stores and loads to/from the sequence and invalidate in-progress
> > counts are ordered relative to the invalidation (stores to counts) and creation (loads)
> > of SPTEs. Making the counts atomic changes nothing because atomic operations don't
> > guarantee the necessary ordering.
> I'm not saying that the memory barriers provide atomicity.
> My comment was based on the assumption that "all atomic operations are
> implicit memory barriers". If that assumption is true then we won't need
> the memory barriers here if we use atomic operations for protecting
> these 2 structure members.
Atomics aren't memory barriers on all architectures, e.g. see the various
definitions of smp_mb__after_atomic().
Even if atomic operations did provide barriers, using an atomic would be overkill
and a net negative. On strongly ordered architectures like x86, memory barriers are
just compiler barriers, whereas atomics may be more expensive. Of course, the only
accesses outside of mmu_lock are reads, so on x86 that "atomic" access is just a
READ_ONCE() load, but that's not the case for all architectures.
Anyways, the point is that atomics and memory barriers are different things that
serve different purposes.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-05-24 20:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 172+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-07-06 8:20 [PATCH v7 00/14] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM guest private memory Chao Peng
2022-07-06 8:20 ` [PATCH v7 01/14] mm: Add F_SEAL_AUTO_ALLOCATE seal to memfd Chao Peng
2022-07-21 9:44 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-07-21 9:50 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-07-21 15:05 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-25 13:46 ` Chao Peng
2022-07-21 10:27 ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-07-25 13:54 ` Chao Peng
2022-07-25 14:49 ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-07-25 13:42 ` Chao Peng
2022-08-05 17:55 ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-08-05 18:06 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-08-10 9:40 ` Chao Peng
2022-08-10 9:38 ` Chao Peng
2022-08-17 23:41 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-08-18 9:09 ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-08-23 7:36 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-08-24 10:20 ` Chao Peng
2022-08-26 15:19 ` Fuad Tabba
2022-08-29 15:18 ` Chao Peng
2022-07-06 8:20 ` [PATCH v7 02/14] selftests/memfd: Add tests for F_SEAL_AUTO_ALLOCATE Chao Peng
2022-08-05 13:11 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-07-06 8:20 ` [PATCH v7 03/14] mm: Introduce memfile_notifier Chao Peng
2022-08-05 13:22 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-08-10 9:22 ` Chao Peng
2022-08-10 10:05 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-08-10 14:38 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-11 12:27 ` Quentin Perret
2022-08-11 13:39 ` Chao Peng
2022-07-06 8:20 ` [PATCH v7 04/14] mm/shmem: Support memfile_notifier Chao Peng
2022-07-12 18:02 ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-07-13 7:44 ` Chao Peng
2022-07-13 10:01 ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-07-13 23:49 ` Chao Peng
2022-07-14 4:15 ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-08-05 13:26 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-08-10 9:25 ` Chao Peng
2022-07-06 8:20 ` [PATCH v7 05/14] mm/memfd: Introduce MFD_INACCESSIBLE flag Chao Peng
2022-08-05 13:28 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-08-10 9:37 ` Chao Peng
2022-08-10 9:55 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-08-11 13:17 ` Chao Peng
2022-09-07 16:18 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-07-06 8:20 ` [PATCH v7 06/14] KVM: Rename KVM_PRIVATE_MEM_SLOTS to KVM_INTERNAL_MEM_SLOTS Chao Peng
2022-07-06 8:20 ` [PATCH v7 07/14] KVM: Use gfn instead of hva for mmu_notifier_retry Chao Peng
2022-07-15 11:36 ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-07-18 13:29 ` Chao Peng
2022-07-18 15:26 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-19 14:02 ` Chao Peng
2022-08-04 7:10 ` Isaku Yamahata
2022-08-10 8:19 ` Chao Peng
2022-07-06 8:20 ` [PATCH v7 08/14] KVM: Rename mmu_notifier_* Chao Peng
2022-07-29 19:02 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-03 10:13 ` Chao Peng
2022-08-05 19:54 ` Paolo Bonzini
2022-08-10 8:09 ` Chao Peng
2023-05-23 7:19 ` Kautuk Consul
2023-05-23 14:19 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-05-24 6:12 ` Kautuk Consul
2023-05-24 20:16 ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2023-05-24 20:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-24 21:39 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-05-25 8:54 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-05-25 3:52 ` Kautuk Consul
2023-05-24 20:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2022-07-06 8:20 ` [PATCH v7 09/14] KVM: Extend the memslot to support fd-based private memory Chao Peng
2022-07-29 19:51 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-03 10:08 ` Chao Peng
2022-08-03 14:42 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-06 8:20 ` [PATCH v7 10/14] KVM: Add KVM_EXIT_MEMORY_FAULT exit Chao Peng
2022-07-06 8:20 ` [PATCH v7 11/14] KVM: Register/unregister the guest private memory regions Chao Peng
2022-07-19 8:00 ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-07-19 14:08 ` Chao Peng
2022-07-19 14:23 ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-07-20 15:07 ` Chao Peng
2022-07-20 15:31 ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-07-20 16:21 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-20 17:41 ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-07-21 7:34 ` Wei Wang
2022-07-21 9:29 ` Chao Peng
2022-07-21 17:58 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-25 13:04 ` Chao Peng
2022-07-29 19:54 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-02 0:49 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-02 16:38 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-03 9:48 ` Chao Peng
2022-08-03 15:51 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-04 7:58 ` Chao Peng
2022-07-20 16:44 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-07-21 9:37 ` Chao Peng
2022-08-19 19:37 ` Vishal Annapurve
2022-08-24 10:37 ` Chao Peng
2022-08-26 15:19 ` Fuad Tabba
2022-08-29 15:21 ` Chao Peng
2022-07-06 8:20 ` [PATCH v7 12/14] KVM: Handle page fault for private memory Chao Peng
2022-07-29 20:58 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-03 9:52 ` Chao Peng
2022-07-06 8:20 ` [PATCH v7 13/14] KVM: Enable and expose KVM_MEM_PRIVATE Chao Peng
2022-07-19 9:55 ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-07-19 14:12 ` Chao Peng
2022-07-06 8:20 ` [PATCH v7 14/14] memfd_create.2: Describe MFD_INACCESSIBLE flag Chao Peng
2022-08-01 14:40 ` Dave Hansen
2022-08-03 9:53 ` Chao Peng
2022-07-13 3:58 ` [PATCH v7 00/14] KVM: mm: fd-based approach for supporting KVM guest private memory Gupta, Pankaj
2022-07-13 7:57 ` Chao Peng
2022-07-13 10:35 ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-07-13 23:59 ` Chao Peng
2022-07-14 4:39 ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-07-14 5:06 ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-07-14 4:29 ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-07-14 5:13 ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-08-11 10:02 ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2022-08-11 11:30 ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-08-11 13:32 ` Chao Peng
2022-08-11 17:28 ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2022-08-12 3:22 ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2022-08-11 17:18 ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2022-08-11 23:02 ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-08-12 6:02 ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-08-12 7:18 ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-08-12 8:48 ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2022-08-12 9:33 ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-08-15 13:04 ` Chao Peng
2022-08-16 4:28 ` Nikunj A. Dadhania
2022-08-16 11:33 ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-08-16 12:24 ` Kirill A . Shutemov
2022-08-16 13:03 ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-08-16 15:38 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-17 15:27 ` Michael Roth
2022-08-23 1:25 ` Isaku Yamahata
2022-08-23 17:41 ` Gupta, Pankaj
2022-08-18 5:40 ` Hugh Dickins
2022-08-18 13:24 ` Kirill A . Shutemov
2022-08-19 0:20 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-19 3:38 ` Hugh Dickins
2022-08-19 22:53 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-23 7:55 ` David Hildenbrand
2022-08-23 16:05 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-08-24 9:41 ` Chao Peng
2022-09-09 4:55 ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-08-19 3:00 ` Hugh Dickins
2022-08-20 0:27 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-08-21 5:15 ` Hugh Dickins
2022-08-31 14:24 ` Kirill A . Shutemov
2022-09-02 10:27 ` Chao Peng
2022-09-02 12:30 ` Kirill A . Shutemov
2022-09-08 1:10 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-09-13 9:44 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-09-13 13:28 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-09-13 14:53 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-09-13 16:00 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2022-09-13 16:12 ` Sean Christopherson
2022-09-09 4:48 ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-09-09 14:32 ` Kirill A . Shutemov
2022-09-09 19:11 ` Andy Lutomirski
2022-09-09 23:02 ` Kirill A . Shutemov
2022-08-21 10:27 ` Matthew Wilcox
2022-08-24 10:27 ` Chao Peng
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2023-04-13 15:25 ` Christian Brauner
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