RE: [linux-lvm] ftp.sistina.com down?

RE: [linux-lvm] ftp.sistina.com down?

[Erick Calder]

hmm... according to a message from Taher Haveliwala (see: [linux-lvm]
installing lvm 1.0 on stock RedHat 7.1) it shouldn't be necessary for me to
package the whole kernel, thus avoiding the whole issue of configuration
files and patches...  I should, presumably, be able to just package the
module and user tools and be done with it... Taher made it work for 7.1... I
have a Guiness (7.0) box that I need to install LVM on so in the next few
days I'm going to test that theory... if it works the same RPM should work
for 7.1 systems as well...

- e r i c k

-----Original Message-----
From:	Chris Siebenmann [mailto:cks@utcc.utoronto.ca]
Sent:	Monday, September 10, 2001 11:53 AM
To:	Erick Calder
Subject:	Re: [linux-lvm] ftp.sistina.com down?

| thx. putting together the piece that deals with the user tools is
| probably not that difficult... the problem is that the spec files
| for building RH kernels are very busy and I'm trying to figure out
| what the differences are between all of them and how they need to be
| modified for the 2.4.9 kernel...

 In my personal opinion, you really don't want to do this. The Red
Hat kernels in their kernel RPMs are reasonably modified; integrating
another patch in there and making sure it all works well afterwards is
likely to be a very interesting challenge. Especially if repeated for
anything except the current kernels.

 While you can supply RPMs for stock 2.4.9 plus the LVM patches, this
may tempt people who are depending on Red Hat patches into upgrading
to your kernel -- with the resulting small explosions in their systems.

 Thus I think it is safer to tell people to patch their kernel
themselves. The most I would do in a RPM is include (in the the %doc
stuff) 'sample' patches for one or more kernels (stock 2.4.9 and the
current Red Hat kernel, likely). People could then apply them if they
felt confidant.

(The really time-consuming way would be to work out a self-contained
system for including the stuff the LVM source tree uses to generate the
kernel patch, and include *that* in the RPM. Then people could use the
installed binary RPM to generate the source patches to whatever kernel
they wanted, in the same way that building the source would do it.)

	- cks

[linux-lvm] ftp.sistina.com down?

[Paul Jakma]

ftp.sistina.com has been down for the last few days. box is pingable
but ftp is shutoff.

also, are there any RPMS for 1.0.1?

--paulj

Re: [linux-lvm] ftp.sistina.com down?

[AJ Lewis]

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On Wed, Sep 05, 2001 at 06:02:15PM +0100, Paul Jakma wrote:
> ftp.sistina.com has been down for the last few days. box is pingable
> but ftp is shutoff.

It should be up again.  Thanks for letting us know.

> also, are there any RPMS for 1.0.1?

Nope.  Either grabbing the source tarball or talking to your distro is the
best option at this point.  The source is not difficult to build and install
IMHO, so that's probably your best bet for now.

Regards,
-- 
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Re: [linux-lvm] ftp.sistina.com down?

[Paul Jakma]

On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, AJ Lewis wrote:

> It should be up again.  Thanks for letting us know.

excellent...

> > also, are there any RPMS for 1.0.1?
>
> Nope.  Either grabbing the source tarball or talking to your distro is the
> best option at this point.  The source is not difficult to build and install
> IMHO, so that's probably your best bet for now.

ok.. i've no technical problems with source, but from experience i
don't like installing from source onto production systems that use
package management - bad idea for long term maintainability of the
machine.

anyway.. thanks AJ!

> Regards,

--paulj

RE: [linux-lvm] ftp.sistina.com down?

[Erick Calder]

Paul,

I'm putting an RPM together... struggling with the changes between the 2.4.9
configuration file and the 10+ configuration files that come with RH's 2.4.7
.src... if you've built RPMs before help is welcome (we can take this
off-list), otherwise I'll let you know when I've managed to put it
together... I too have production boxes I don't want to build the tarball
on.

- erick

-----Original Message-----
From:	linux-lvm-admin@sistina.com [mailto:linux-lvm-admin@sistina.com] On
Behalf Of Paul Jakma
Sent:	Thursday, September 06, 2001 10:08 AM
To:	linux-lvm@sistina.com
Subject:	Re: [linux-lvm] ftp.sistina.com down?

On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, AJ Lewis wrote:

> It should be up again.  Thanks for letting us know.

excellent...

> > also, are there any RPMS for 1.0.1?
>
> Nope.  Either grabbing the source tarball or talking to your distro is the
> best option at this point.  The source is not difficult to build and
install
> IMHO, so that's probably your best bet for now.

ok.. i've no technical problems with source, but from experience i
don't like installing from source onto production systems that use
package management - bad idea for long term maintainability of the
machine.

anyway.. thanks AJ!

> Regards,

--paulj


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Re: [linux-lvm] ftp.sistina.com down?

[Heinz J . Mauelshagen]

On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 10:20:26AM -0700, Erick Calder wrote:
> Paul,
> 
> I'm putting an RPM together... struggling with the changes between the 2.4.9
> configuration file and the 10+ configuration files that come with RH's 2.4.7
> .src... if you've built RPMs before help is welcome (we can take this
> off-list), otherwise I'll let you know when I've managed to put it
> together... I too have production boxes I don't want to build the tarball
> on.

Erick,

if you have put it together, we'ld be happy to put it onto our ftp server
for everybodies convenience.
Thanks.

Regards,
Heinz    -- The LVM Guy --

> 
> - erick
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	linux-lvm-admin@sistina.com [mailto:linux-lvm-admin@sistina.com] On
> Behalf Of Paul Jakma
> Sent:	Thursday, September 06, 2001 10:08 AM
> To:	linux-lvm@sistina.com
> Subject:	Re: [linux-lvm] ftp.sistina.com down?
> 
> On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, AJ Lewis wrote:
> 
> > It should be up again.  Thanks for letting us know.
> 
> excellent...
> 
> > > also, are there any RPMS for 1.0.1?
> >
> > Nope.  Either grabbing the source tarball or talking to your distro is the
> > best option at this point.  The source is not difficult to build and
> install
> > IMHO, so that's probably your best bet for now.
> 
> ok.. i've no technical problems with source, but from experience i
> don't like installing from source onto production systems that use
> package management - bad idea for long term maintainability of the
> machine.
> 
> anyway.. thanks AJ!
> 
> > Regards,
> 
> --paulj
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> linux-lvm@sistina.com
> http://lists.sistina.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm
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> 
> 
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RE: [linux-lvm] ftp.sistina.com down?

[Erick Calder]

I'm embarrassed to say I haven't had the time to focus on it but now that
you ask I will... give me 2 or 3 days and I'll get back to you with it.

-----Original Message-----
From:	linux-lvm-admin@sistina.com [mailto:linux-lvm-admin@sistina.com] On
Behalf Of Heinz J . Mauelshagen
Sent:	Monday, September 10, 2001 4:36 AM
To:	linux-lvm@sistina.com
Subject:	Re: [linux-lvm] ftp.sistina.com down?

On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 10:20:26AM -0700, Erick Calder wrote:
> Paul,
>
> I'm putting an RPM together... struggling with the changes between the
2.4.9
> configuration file and the 10+ configuration files that come with RH's
2.4.7
> .src... if you've built RPMs before help is welcome (we can take this
> off-list), otherwise I'll let you know when I've managed to put it
> together... I too have production boxes I don't want to build the tarball
> on.

Erick,

if you have put it together, we'ld be happy to put it onto our ftp server
for everybodies convenience.
Thanks.

Regards,
Heinz    -- The LVM Guy --

>
> - erick
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	linux-lvm-admin@sistina.com [mailto:linux-lvm-admin@sistina.com] On
> Behalf Of Paul Jakma
> Sent:	Thursday, September 06, 2001 10:08 AM
> To:	linux-lvm@sistina.com
> Subject:	Re: [linux-lvm] ftp.sistina.com down?
>
> On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, AJ Lewis wrote:
>
> > It should be up again.  Thanks for letting us know.
>
> excellent...
>
> > > also, are there any RPMS for 1.0.1?
> >
> > Nope.  Either grabbing the source tarball or talking to your distro is
the
> > best option at this point.  The source is not difficult to build and
> install
> > IMHO, so that's probably your best bet for now.
>
> ok.. i've no technical problems with source, but from experience i
> don't like installing from source onto production systems that use
> package management - bad idea for long term maintainability of the
> machine.
>
> anyway.. thanks AJ!
>
> > Regards,
>
> --paulj
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> linux-lvm@sistina.com
> http://lists.sistina.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm
> read the LVM HOW-TO at http://www.sistina.com/lvm/Pages/howto.html
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> linux-lvm@sistina.com
> http://lists.sistina.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm
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    Nevertheless it needs not so stupid people to solve them ***

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Senior Consultant/Developer                       Am Sonnenhang 11
                                                  56242 Marienrachdorf
                                                  Germany
Mauelshagen@Sistina.com                           +49 2626 141200
                                                       FAX 924446
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Re: [linux-lvm] ftp.sistina.com down?

[Heinz J . Mauelshagen]

On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 09:25:29AM -0700, Erick Calder wrote:
> I'm embarrassed to say I haven't had the time to focus on it

No problem.

> but now that
> you ask I will... give me 2 or 3 days and I'll get back to you with it.

Great, thanks a lot.

Regards,
Heinz    -- The LVM Guy --

> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	linux-lvm-admin@sistina.com [mailto:linux-lvm-admin@sistina.com] On
> Behalf Of Heinz J . Mauelshagen
> Sent:	Monday, September 10, 2001 4:36 AM
> To:	linux-lvm@sistina.com
> Subject:	Re: [linux-lvm] ftp.sistina.com down?
> 
> On Thu, Sep 06, 2001 at 10:20:26AM -0700, Erick Calder wrote:
> > Paul,
> >
> > I'm putting an RPM together... struggling with the changes between the
> 2.4.9
> > configuration file and the 10+ configuration files that come with RH's
> 2.4.7
> > .src... if you've built RPMs before help is welcome (we can take this
> > off-list), otherwise I'll let you know when I've managed to put it
> > together... I too have production boxes I don't want to build the tarball
> > on.
> 
> Erick,
> 
> if you have put it together, we'ld be happy to put it onto our ftp server
> for everybodies convenience.
> Thanks.
> 
> Regards,
> Heinz    -- The LVM Guy --
> 
> >
> > - erick
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From:	linux-lvm-admin@sistina.com [mailto:linux-lvm-admin@sistina.com] On
> > Behalf Of Paul Jakma
> > Sent:	Thursday, September 06, 2001 10:08 AM
> > To:	linux-lvm@sistina.com
> > Subject:	Re: [linux-lvm] ftp.sistina.com down?
> >
> > On Wed, 5 Sep 2001, AJ Lewis wrote:
> >
> > > It should be up again.  Thanks for letting us know.
> >
> > excellent...
> >
> > > > also, are there any RPMS for 1.0.1?
> > >
> > > Nope.  Either grabbing the source tarball or talking to your distro is
> the
> > > best option at this point.  The source is not difficult to build and
> > install
> > > IMHO, so that's probably your best bet for now.
> >
> > ok.. i've no technical problems with source, but from experience i
> > don't like installing from source onto production systems that use
> > package management - bad idea for long term maintainability of the
> > machine.
> >
> > anyway.. thanks AJ!
> >
> > > Regards,
> >
> > --paulj
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > linux-lvm mailing list
> > linux-lvm@sistina.com
> > http://lists.sistina.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm
> > read the LVM HOW-TO at http://www.sistina.com/lvm/Pages/howto.html
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > linux-lvm mailing list
> > linux-lvm@sistina.com
> > http://lists.sistina.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm
> > read the LVM HOW-TO at http://www.sistina.com/lvm/Pages/howto.html
> 
> _______________________________________________
> linux-lvm mailing list
> linux-lvm@sistina.com
> http://lists.sistina.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm
> read the LVM HOW-TO at http://www.sistina.com/lvm/Pages/howto.html
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> linux-lvm mailing list
> linux-lvm@sistina.com
> http://lists.sistina.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm
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*** Software bugs are stupid.
    Nevertheless it needs not so stupid people to solve them ***

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Heinz Mauelshagen                                 Sistina Software Inc.
Senior Consultant/Developer                       Am Sonnenhang 11
                                                  56242 Marienrachdorf
                                                  Germany
Mauelshagen@Sistina.com                           +49 2626 141200
                                                       FAX 924446
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