[linux-lvm] xfs quota on lvm

[linux-lvm] xfs quota on lvm

[Christophe Zwecker]

Hi,

Ive got alle volumes on linux RH with xfs and all except /  "lvmed".

I got quota enabled in kernel, xfs quota support too. Quota is enabled
at mount. However when I do eduota -u user, I get only to change numbers
on the nonlvm partition.

Is quota nonfunctional on lvm partitions ?

Best regards,

Christophe
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Re: [linux-lvm] xfs quota on lvm

[Nathan Scott]

On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 05:12:28PM +0100, Christophe Zwecker wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Ive got alle volumes on linux RH with xfs and all except /  "lvmed".
> 
> I got quota enabled in kernel, xfs quota support too. Quota is enabled
> at mount. However when I do eduota -u user, I get only to change numbers
> on the nonlvm partition.
> 
> Is quota nonfunctional on lvm partitions ?
> 

Should work fine.  What does "repquota -vug /dev/XXX" give you
on the LVM devices when the filesystems are mounted?  (this'll
tell you whether quota is enabled at all on these devices).
If they are indeed enabled ("Accounting: ON; Enforcement: ON"
will be in the output) then try "strace setquota ..." to try
to diagnose further (look for quotactl syscalls).  setquota is
better than edquota for diagnosis because its not interactive,
but it interacts with the kernel in much the same way.

cheers.

-- 
Nathan

Re: [linux-lvm] xfs quota on lvm

[Christophe Zwecker]

On Wed, 2002-01-16 at 08:15, Nathan Scott wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 05:12:28PM +0100, Christophe Zwecker wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Ive got alle volumes on linux RH with xfs and all except /  "lvmed".
> > 
> > I got quota enabled in kernel, xfs quota support too. Quota is enabled
> > at mount. However when I do eduota -u user, I get only to change numbers
> > on the nonlvm partition.
> > 
> > Is quota nonfunctional on lvm partitions ?
> > 
> 
> Should work fine.  What does "repquota -vug /dev/XXX" give you
> on the LVM devices when the filesystems are mounted?  (this'll
> tell you whether quota is enabled at all on these devices).
> If they are indeed enabled ("Accounting: ON; Enforcement: ON"
> will be in the output) then try "strace setquota ..." to try
> to diagnose further (look for quotactl syscalls).  setquota is
> better than edquota for diagnosis because its not interactive,
> but it interacts with the kernel in much the same way.


I get this: 

[root@bender /root]# repquota -vug /dev/bender/home 
Not all specified mountpoints are using quota.

I got it like this in fstab:
/dev/bender/home        /home                   xfs    
defaults,usrquota,grpquota	  1 2


/dev/sda2 works tho, its not lvm and as this in fstab:
/dev/sda2               /                       xfs    
defaults,usrquota,grpquota        1 1

while booting I can see this:
XFS mounting filesystem sd(8,2)
XFS: WARNING: quotacheck required on readonly filesystem.
XFS: write access will be enabled during mount.
XFS quotacheck sd(8,2): Please wait.
XFS quotacheck sd(8,2): Done.
VFS: Mounted root (xfs filesystem) readonly.
Freeing unused kernel memory: 316k freed
XFS mounting filesystem lvm(58,1)
XFS quotacheck lvm(58,1): Please wait.
XFS quotacheck lvm(58,1): Done.
XFS mounting filesystem lvm(58,2)
XFS quotacheck lvm(58,2): Please wait.
XFS quotacheck lvm(58,2): Done.
XFS mounting filesystem lvm(58,3)
XFS quotacheck lvm(58,3): Please wait.
XFS quotacheck lvm(58,3): Done.

any ideas ?

thx & best regards,

Christophe

Re: [linux-lvm] xfs quota on lvm

[Nathan Scott]

On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 11:06:23AM +0100, Christophe Zwecker wrote:
> On Wed, 2002-01-16 at 08:15, Nathan Scott wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 05:12:28PM +0100, Christophe Zwecker wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > 
> > > Ive got alle volumes on linux RH with xfs and all except /  "lvmed".
> > > 
> > > I got quota enabled in kernel, xfs quota support too. Quota is enabled
> > > at mount. However when I do eduota -u user, I get only to change numbers
> > > on the nonlvm partition.
> > > 
> > > Is quota nonfunctional on lvm partitions ?
> > > 
> > 
> > Should work fine.  What does "repquota -vug /dev/XXX" give you
> > on the LVM devices when the filesystems are mounted?  (this'll
> > tell you whether quota is enabled at all on these devices).
> > If they are indeed enabled ("Accounting: ON; Enforcement: ON"
> > will be in the output) then try "strace setquota ..." to try
> > to diagnose further (look for quotactl syscalls).  setquota is
> > better than edquota for diagnosis because its not interactive,
> > but it interacts with the kernel in much the same way.
> 
> 
> I get this: 
> 
> [root@bender /root]# repquota -vug /dev/bender/home 
> Not all specified mountpoints are using quota.
> 
> I got it like this in fstab:
> /dev/bender/home        /home                   xfs    
> defaults,usrquota,grpquota	  1 2
> 
> 
> /dev/sda2 works tho, its not lvm and as this in fstab:
> /dev/sda2               /                       xfs    
> defaults,usrquota,grpquota        1 1
> 
> while booting I can see this:
> XFS mounting filesystem sd(8,2)
> XFS: WARNING: quotacheck required on readonly filesystem.
> XFS: write access will be enabled during mount.
> XFS quotacheck sd(8,2): Please wait.
> XFS quotacheck sd(8,2): Done.
> VFS: Mounted root (xfs filesystem) readonly.
> Freeing unused kernel memory: 316k freed
> XFS mounting filesystem lvm(58,1)
> XFS quotacheck lvm(58,1): Please wait.
> XFS quotacheck lvm(58,1): Done.
> XFS mounting filesystem lvm(58,2)
> XFS quotacheck lvm(58,2): Please wait.
> XFS quotacheck lvm(58,2): Done.
> XFS mounting filesystem lvm(58,3)
> XFS quotacheck lvm(58,3): Please wait.
> XFS quotacheck lvm(58,3): Done.
> 
> any ideas ?

Hmm... from your boot info we can tell that quota is being
activated on all filesystems, but for some reason it looks
like the quotactl syscall is failing for these LVM devices
(but not the non-LVM device, which is wierd).

The strace output might be useful - could you send me that?

Another thing to try - if you create an ext2 filesystem on 
one of the LVM devices (might not be an option for you, I
know), and enable quota, does repquota work for that fs?
This data point would help to narrow down the number of
places where things might be going wrong.

cheers.

-- 
Nathan

Re: [linux-lvm] xfs quota on lvm

[Christophe Zwecker]

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> 
> Hmm... from your boot info we can tell that quota is being
> activated on all filesystems, but for some reason it looks
> like the quotactl syscall is failing for these LVM devices
> (but not the non-LVM device, which is wierd).
> 
> The strace output might be useful - could you send me that?

ok, I created a 100MB exct2 partition on lvm, doesnt work either,
attached youll find the strace output for:

 strace -o setquota.trace setquota -u doc 500 501 100 101
/dev/bender/test



The part is mounted user and groupquota.

Hope this helps clearing things up.

Cheers,

Christophe

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execve("/usr/sbin/setquota", ["setquota", "-u", "doc", "500", "501", "100", "101", "/dev/bender/test"], [/* 25 vars */]) = 0
uname({sys="Linux", node="bender.zwecker.de", ...}) = 0
brk(0)                                  = 0x8053c8c
old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40016000
open("/etc/ld.so.preload", O_RDONLY)    = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
open("/etc/ld.so.cache", O_RDONLY)      = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=39350, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 39350, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x40017000
close(3)                                = 0
open("/lib/libc.so.6", O_RDONLY)        = 3
read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\360\303"..., 1024) = 1024
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=5723311, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 1265288, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x40021000
mprotect(0x4014d000, 36488, PROT_NONE)  = 0
old_mmap(0x4014d000, 20480, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 0x12b000) = 0x4014d000
old_mmap(0x40152000, 16008, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40152000
close(3)                                = 0
munmap(0x40017000, 39350)               = 0
brk(0)                                  = 0x8053c8c
brk(0x8053cb4)                          = 0x8053cb4
brk(0x8054000)                          = 0x8054000
open("/usr/share/locale/locale.alias", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2601, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40017000
read(3, "# Locale name alias data base.\n#"..., 4096) = 2601
brk(0x8055000)                          = 0x8055000
read(3, "", 4096)                       = 0
close(3)                                = 0
munmap(0x40017000, 4096)                = 0
open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US/LC_IDENTIFICATION", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=370, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 370, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x40017000
close(3)                                = 0
open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US/LC_MEASUREMENT", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=28, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 28, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x40018000
close(3)                                = 0
open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US/LC_TELEPHONE", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=64, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 64, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x40019000
close(3)                                = 0
open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US/LC_ADDRESS", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=160, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 160, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x4001a000
close(3)                                = 0
open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US/LC_NAME", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=82, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 82, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x4001b000
close(3)                                = 0
open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US/LC_PAPER", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=39, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 39, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x4001c000
close(3)                                = 0
open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US/LC_MESSAGES", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=28, ...}) = 0
close(3)                                = 0
open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US/LC_MESSAGES/SYS_LC_MESSAGES", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=57, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 57, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x4001d000
close(3)                                = 0
open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US/LC_MONETARY", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=291, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 291, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x4001e000
brk(0x8056000)                          = 0x8056000
close(3)                                = 0
open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US/LC_COLLATE", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=21499, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 21499, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x40156000
close(3)                                = 0
open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US/LC_TIME", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2456, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 2456, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x4001f000
close(3)                                = 0
open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US/LC_NUMERIC", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=59, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 59, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x40020000
close(3)                                = 0
open("/usr/lib/locale/en_US/LC_CTYPE", O_RDONLY) = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=173408, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 173408, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x4015c000
close(3)                                = 0
socket(PF_UNIX, SOCK_STREAM, 0)         = 3
connect(3, {sin_family=AF_UNIX, path="                                                                                       /var/run/.nscd_socket"}, 110) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
close(3)                                = 0
open("/etc/nsswitch.conf", O_RDONLY)    = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=1750, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40187000
read(3, "#\n# /etc/nsswitch.conf\n#\n# An ex"..., 4096) = 1750
brk(0x8057000)                          = 0x8057000
read(3, "", 4096)                       = 0
close(3)                                = 0
munmap(0x40187000, 4096)                = 0
open("/etc/ld.so.cache", O_RDONLY)      = 3
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=39350, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 39350, PROT_READ, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x40187000
close(3)                                = 0
open("/lib/libnss_files.so.2", O_RDONLY) = 3
read(3, "\177ELF\1\1\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\3\0\3\0\1\0\0\0\360 \0"..., 1024) = 1024
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=256603, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 41584, PROT_READ|PROT_EXEC, MAP_PRIVATE, 3, 0) = 0x40191000
mprotect(0x4019a000, 4720, PROT_NONE)   = 0
old_mmap(0x4019a000, 8192, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_FIXED, 3, 0x8000) = 0x4019a000
close(3)                                = 0
munmap(0x40187000, 39350)               = 0
open("/etc/passwd", O_RDONLY)           = 3
fcntl64(3, F_GETFD)                     = 0
fcntl64(3, F_SETFD, FD_CLOEXEC)         = 0
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=2896, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40187000
read(3, "root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash\n"..., 4096) = 2896
close(3)                                = 0
munmap(0x40187000, 4096)                = 0
open("/usr/share/locale/en_US/LC_MESSAGES/quota.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
open("/usr/share/locale/en/LC_MESSAGES/quota.mo", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
stat64("/proc/fs/xfs/stat", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0444, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
quotactl(0x1100 /* Q_??? */|USRQUOTA, NULL, 0, {10, 0, 3221224132, 0, 3221224441, 3221224000, 134519360, 3221224438}) = -1 EFAULT (Bad address)
open("/etc/mtab", O_RDONLY)             = 3
brk(0x8059000)                          = 0x8059000
fstat64(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=312, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40187000
read(3, "/dev/sda2 / xfs rw,usrquota,grpq"..., 4096) = 312
stat64("/dev/sda2", {st_mode=S_IFBLK|0660, st_rdev=makedev(8, 2), ...}) = 0
stat64("/dev/bender/test", {st_mode=S_IFBLK|0660, st_rdev=makedev(58, 4), ...}) = 0
stat64("/", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0
stat64("/dev/bender/test", {st_mode=S_IFBLK|0660, st_rdev=makedev(58, 4), ...}) = 0
stat64("none", 0xbffff87c)              = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
stat64("/proc", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0555, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
stat64("/dev/bender/test", {st_mode=S_IFBLK|0660, st_rdev=makedev(58, 4), ...}) = 0
stat64("/dev/bender/home", {st_mode=S_IFBLK|0660, st_rdev=makedev(58, 1), ...}) = 0
stat64("/dev/bender/test", {st_mode=S_IFBLK|0660, st_rdev=makedev(58, 4), ...}) = 0
stat64("/home", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0
stat64("/dev/bender/test", {st_mode=S_IFBLK|0660, st_rdev=makedev(58, 4), ...}) = 0
stat64("/dev/bender/usr", {st_mode=S_IFBLK|0660, st_rdev=makedev(58, 2), ...}) = 0
stat64("/dev/bender/test", {st_mode=S_IFBLK|0660, st_rdev=makedev(58, 4), ...}) = 0
stat64("/usr", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0
stat64("/dev/bender/test", {st_mode=S_IFBLK|0660, st_rdev=makedev(58, 4), ...}) = 0
stat64("/dev/bender/var", {st_mode=S_IFBLK|0660, st_rdev=makedev(58, 3), ...}) = 0
stat64("/dev/bender/test", {st_mode=S_IFBLK|0660, st_rdev=makedev(58, 4), ...}) = 0
stat64("/var", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=4096, ...}) = 0
stat64("/dev/bender/test", {st_mode=S_IFBLK|0660, st_rdev=makedev(58, 4), ...}) = 0
stat64("none", 0xbffff87c)              = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
stat64("/dev/pts", {st_mode=S_IFDIR|0755, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
stat64("/dev/bender/test", {st_mode=S_IFBLK|0660, st_rdev=makedev(58, 4), ...}) = 0
stat64("/dev/bender/test", {st_mode=S_IFBLK|0660, st_rdev=makedev(58, 4), ...}) = 0
stat64("/dev/bender/test", {st_mode=S_IFBLK|0660, st_rdev=makedev(58, 4), ...}) = 0
stat64("/dev/bender/test", {st_mode=S_IFBLK|0660, st_rdev=makedev(58, 4), ...}) = 0
stat64("/proc/fs/xfs/stat", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0444, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
quotactl(0x1100 /* Q_??? */|USRQUOTA, NULL, 0, {134525453, 134575872, 134569064, 134575864, 134575872, 3221223932, 134530842, 134569064}) = -1 EFAULT (Bad address)
quotactl(0x5805 /* Q_??? */|USRQUOTA, "/dev/bender/test", 0, {33060, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 134479872, 0}) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument)
quotactl(Q_GETQUOTA|USRQUOTA, "/dev/bender/test", 0, {1075089596, 1075131920, 1075131924, 1073747802, 3221222856, 1075089406, 134571809, 3}) = -1 ESRCH (No such process)
stat64("/mnt2/aquota.user", 0xbfffe87c) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
stat64("/mnt2/quota.user", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0600, st_size=0, ...}) = 0
open("/mnt2/quota.user", O_RDWR)        = 4
flock(4, LOCK_EX)                       = 0
read(4, "", 8)                          = 0
lseek(4, 0, SEEK_SET)                   = 0
read(4, "", 32)                         = 0
flock(4, LOCK_UN)                       = 0
read(3, "", 4096)                       = 0
close(3)                                = 0
munmap(0x40187000, 4096)                = 0
write(2, "Not all specified mountpoints ar"..., 47) = 47
_exit(1)                                = ?

Re: [linux-lvm] xfs quota on lvm

[Nathan Scott]

On Wed, Jan 16, 2002 at 01:00:39PM +0100, Christophe Zwecker wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Hmm... from your boot info we can tell that quota is being
> > activated on all filesystems, but for some reason it looks
> > like the quotactl syscall is failing for these LVM devices
> > (but not the non-LVM device, which is wierd).
> > 
> > The strace output might be useful - could you send me that?
> 
> ok, I created a 100MB ext2 partition on lvm, doesnt work either,
> attached youll find the strace output for:
> 
>  strace -o setquota.trace setquota -u doc 500 501 100 101
> /dev/bender/test
> 
> The part is mounted user and groupquota.
> 
> ...
> quotactl(0x5805 /* Q_??? */|USRQUOTA, "/dev/bender/test", 0, {33060, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 134479872, 0}) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument)
> ...
> quotactl(Q_GETQUOTA|USRQUOTA, "/dev/bender/test", 0, {1075089596, 1075131920, 1075131924, 1073747802, 3221222856, 1075089406, 134571809, 3}) = -1 ESRCH (No such process)


... these failing syscalls look like the root cause of your problems.
You could try putting some printk() calls in sys_quotactl() in the
kernel to figure out exactly where the error comes from.  I would
guess it is to do with the handling of the "special" parameter, ie.
"/dev/bender/test" above, since this is the only part where the LVM
device file comes into the picture.

cheers.

-- 
Nathan

Re: [linux-lvm] xfs quota on lvm

[Christophe Zwecker]

On Wed, 2002-01-16 at 23:33, Nathan Scott wrote:

> > ...
> > quotactl(0x5805 /* Q_??? */|USRQUOTA, "/dev/bender/test", 0, {33060, 1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 134479872, 0}) = -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument)
> > ...
> > quotactl(Q_GETQUOTA|USRQUOTA, "/dev/bender/test", 0, {1075089596, 1075131920, 1075131924, 1073747802, 3221222856, 1075089406, 134571809, 3}) = -1 ESRCH (No such process)
> 
> 
> ... these failing syscalls look like the root cause of your problems.
> You could try putting some printk() calls in sys_quotactl() in the
> kernel to figure out exactly where the error comes from.  I would
> guess it is to do with the handling of the "special" parameter, ie.
> "/dev/bender/test" above, since this is the only part where the LVM
> device file comes into the picture.

damn - dunno , got a hint where to put what you are talking about ?
because I dont :-)
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