* [linux-lvm] Debian 3.0, kernel 2.4.18 booting with a LVM root fs LVM doesn't work
@ 2002-09-26 5:20 LEBRETON Philippe
2002-09-26 5:58 ` Heinz J . Mauelshagen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: LEBRETON Philippe @ 2002-09-26 5:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: LVM
hello,
My configuration is :
Debian 3.0
Kernel 2.4.18
lvm10 debian package.
i want to convert my root fs to LVM and i follow the HOWTO instructions.
in my initrd image i add block, ide, scsi, fs and net drivers.
my linuxrc is :
#!/bin/sh
/sbin/modprobe ext3
/sbin/modprobe ext2
/sbin/modprobe ips
/sbin/modprobe aic7xxx
/sbin/modprobe lvm-mod
/bin/mount /proc
/sbin/vgscan
/sbin/vgchange -a y
/bin/umount /proc
when i boot, all drivers are load but mount, vgscan and vgchange doesn't
work :
can't create lock file /etc/mtab17 : permision denied (use -n flag to
override)
vgscan -- ERROR "creating lvmtab" creating lvmtab
-- no volume groups found
vgchange -- ERROR "/etc/lvmtab" doesn't exist: please run vgscan
.
.
.
.
VFS: cannot open device 3a:00
kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs 3a:00
where is the problem
Thanks
Philippe LEBRETON
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* Re: [linux-lvm] Debian 3.0, kernel 2.4.18 booting with a LVM root fs LVM doesn't work
2002-09-26 5:20 [linux-lvm] Debian 3.0, kernel 2.4.18 booting with a LVM root fs LVM doesn't work LEBRETON Philippe
@ 2002-09-26 5:58 ` Heinz J . Mauelshagen
2002-09-26 6:35 ` LEBRETON Philippe
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Heinz J . Mauelshagen @ 2002-09-26 5:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-lvm
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 12:19:54PM +0200, LEBRETON Philippe wrote:
> hello,
>
> My configuration is :
>
> Debian 3.0
> Kernel 2.4.18
> lvm10 debian package.
>
> i want to convert my root fs to LVM and i follow the HOWTO instructions.
>
> in my initrd image i add block, ide, scsi, fs and net drivers.
> my linuxrc is :
> #!/bin/sh
> /sbin/modprobe ext3
> /sbin/modprobe ext2
> /sbin/modprobe ips
> /sbin/modprobe aic7xxx
> /sbin/modprobe lvm-mod
> /bin/mount /proc
> /sbin/vgscan
> /sbin/vgchange -a y
> /bin/umount /proc
>
> when i boot, all drivers are load but mount, vgscan and vgchange doesn't
> work :
>
> can't create lock file /etc/mtab17 : permision denied (use -n flag to
> override)
> vgscan -- ERROR "creating lvmtab" creating lvmtab
> -- no volume groups found
> vgchange -- ERROR "/etc/lvmtab" doesn't exist: please run vgscan
> .
> .
> .
> .
> VFS: cannot open device 3a:00
> kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs 3a:00
>
> where is the problem
Read-only initrd?
>
> Thanks
>
> Philippe LEBRETON
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> linux-lvm mailing list
> linux-lvm@sistina.com
> http://lists.sistina.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm
> read the LVM HOW-TO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/
--
Regards,
Heinz -- The LVM Guy --
*** Software bugs are stupid.
Nevertheless it needs not so stupid people to solve them ***
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Heinz Mauelshagen Sistina Software Inc.
Senior Consultant/Developer Am Sonnenhang 11
56242 Marienrachdorf
Germany
Mauelshagen@Sistina.com +49 2626 141200
FAX 924446
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* Re: [linux-lvm] Debian 3.0, kernel 2.4.18 booting with a LVM root fs LVM doesn't work
2002-09-26 5:58 ` Heinz J . Mauelshagen
@ 2002-09-26 6:35 ` LEBRETON Philippe
2002-09-26 6:51 ` Heinz J . Mauelshagen
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: LEBRETON Philippe @ 2002-09-26 6:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-lvm
"Heinz J . Mauelshagen" wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 12:19:54PM +0200, LEBRETON Philippe wrote:
> > hello,
> >
> > My configuration is :
> >
> > Debian 3.0
> > Kernel 2.4.18
> > lvm10 debian package.
> >
> > i want to convert my root fs to LVM and i follow the HOWTO instructions.
> >
> > in my initrd image i add block, ide, scsi, fs and net drivers.
> > my linuxrc is :
> > #!/bin/sh
> > /sbin/modprobe ext3
> > /sbin/modprobe ext2
> > /sbin/modprobe ips
> > /sbin/modprobe aic7xxx
> > /sbin/modprobe lvm-mod
> > /bin/mount /proc
> > /sbin/vgscan
> > /sbin/vgchange -a y
> > /bin/umount /proc
> >
> > when i boot, all drivers are load but mount, vgscan and vgchange doesn't
> > work :
> >
> > can't create lock file /etc/mtab17 : permision denied (use -n flag to
> > override)
> > vgscan -- ERROR "creating lvmtab" creating lvmtab
> > -- no volume groups found
> > vgchange -- ERROR "/etc/lvmtab" doesn't exist: please run vgscan
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > .
> > VFS: cannot open device 3a:00
> > kernel panic: VFS: unable to mount root fs 3a:00
> >
> > where is the problem
>
> Read-only initrd?
>
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Philippe LEBRETON
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > linux-lvm mailing list
> > linux-lvm@sistina.com
> > http://lists.sistina.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm
> > read the LVM HOW-TO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Heinz -- The LVM Guy --
>
> *** Software bugs are stupid.
> Nevertheless it needs not so stupid people to solve them ***
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
> Heinz Mauelshagen Sistina Software Inc.
> Senior Consultant/Developer Am Sonnenhang 11
> 56242 Marienrachdorf
> Germany
> Mauelshagen@Sistina.com +49 2626 141200
> FAX 924446
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
> _______________________________________________
> linux-lvm mailing list
> linux-lvm@sistina.com
> http://lists.sistina.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm
> read the LVM HOW-TO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/
yes my initrd is read-only but hox i can made initrd read-write?
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* Re: [linux-lvm] Debian 3.0, kernel 2.4.18 booting with a LVM root fs LVM doesn't work
2002-09-26 6:35 ` LEBRETON Philippe
@ 2002-09-26 6:51 ` Heinz J . Mauelshagen
2002-09-26 7:57 ` LEBRETON Philippe
2002-09-26 9:36 ` LEBRETON Philippe
0 siblings, 2 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Heinz J . Mauelshagen @ 2002-09-26 6:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-lvm
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 01:30:48PM +0200, LEBRETON Philippe wrote:
> "Heinz J . Mauelshagen" wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 12:19:54PM +0200, LEBRETON Philippe wrote:
> > > hello,
> > >
> > > My configuration is :
> > >
<SNIP>
>
> yes my initrd is read-only but hox i can made initrd read-write?
boot parameter "rw" or "read-write" in lilo.conf.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> linux-lvm mailing list
> linux-lvm@sistina.com
> http://lists.sistina.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm
> read the LVM HOW-TO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/
--
Regards,
Heinz -- The LVM Guy --
*** Software bugs are stupid.
Nevertheless it needs not so stupid people to solve them ***
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Heinz Mauelshagen Sistina Software Inc.
Senior Consultant/Developer Am Sonnenhang 11
56242 Marienrachdorf
Germany
Mauelshagen@Sistina.com +49 2626 141200
FAX 924446
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
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* Re: [linux-lvm] Debian 3.0, kernel 2.4.18 booting with a LVM root fs LVM doesn't work
2002-09-26 6:51 ` Heinz J . Mauelshagen
@ 2002-09-26 7:57 ` LEBRETON Philippe
2002-09-26 9:18 ` Andy Baillie
2002-09-26 9:36 ` LEBRETON Philippe
1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: LEBRETON Philippe @ 2002-09-26 7:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-lvm
"Heinz J . Mauelshagen" wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 01:30:48PM +0200, LEBRETON Philippe wrote:
> > "Heinz J . Mauelshagen" wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 12:19:54PM +0200, LEBRETON Philippe wrote:
> > > > hello,
> > > >
> > > > My configuration is :
> > > >
> <SNIP>
> >
> > yes my initrd is read-only but hox i can made initrd read-write?
>
> boot parameter "rw" or "read-write" in lilo.conf.
>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > linux-lvm mailing list
> > linux-lvm@sistina.com
> > http://lists.sistina.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm
> > read the LVM HOW-TO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Heinz -- The LVM Guy --
>
> *** Software bugs are stupid.
> Nevertheless it needs not so stupid people to solve them ***
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
> Heinz Mauelshagen Sistina Software Inc.
> Senior Consultant/Developer Am Sonnenhang 11
> 56242 Marienrachdorf
> Germany
> Mauelshagen@Sistina.com +49 2626 141200
> FAX 924446
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
> _______________________________________________
> linux-lvm mailing list
> linux-lvm@sistina.com
> http://lists.sistina.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm
> read the LVM HOW-TO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/
i change my lilo.conf :
image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.18-smp
label=LinuxLVM
initrd=/boot/initrd-lvm.img
root=/dev/rootvg/root
read-write
ramdisk=8192
The problem is the same.
The read-write parameter is for /dev/rootvg/root not for the RAM Disk?
And mount, vgscan can't to the RAM Disk.
I can't mount my root filesystem because LVM is not initialize (vgscan, vgchange
not working in RAM Disk)
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-lvm] Debian 3.0, kernel 2.4.18 booting with a LVM root fs LVM doesn't work
2002-09-26 7:57 ` LEBRETON Philippe
@ 2002-09-26 9:18 ` Andy Baillie
2002-09-27 9:35 ` LEBRETON Philippe
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Andy Baillie @ 2002-09-26 9:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-lvm
> "Heinz J . Mauelshagen" wrote:
>
>> On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 01:30:48PM +0200, LEBRETON Philippe wrote:
>> > "Heinz J . Mauelshagen" wrote:
>> >
>> > > On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 12:19:54PM +0200, LEBRETON Philippe wrote:
>> > > > hello,
>> > > >
>> > > > My configuration is :
>> > > >
>> <SNIP>
>> >
>> > yes my initrd is read-only but hox i can made initrd read-write?
>>
>> boot parameter "rw" or "read-write" in lilo.conf.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > linux-lvm mailing list
>> > linux-lvm@sistina.com
>> > http://lists.sistina.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm
>> > read the LVM HOW-TO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/
>>
>> --
>>
>> Regards,
>> Heinz -- The LVM Guy --
>>
>> *** Software bugs are stupid.
>> Nevertheless it needs not so stupid people to solve them ***
>>
>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=->>
>> Heinz Mauelshagen Sistina Software
>> Inc. Senior Consultant/Developer Am Sonnenhang
>> 11
>> 56242 Marienrachdorf
>> Germany
>> Mauelshagen@Sistina.com +49 2626 141200
>> FAX 924446
>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=->>
>> _______________________________________________
>> linux-lvm mailing list
>> linux-lvm@sistina.com
>> http://lists.sistina.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm
>> read the LVM HOW-TO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/
>
> i change my lilo.conf :
> image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.18-smp
> label=LinuxLVM
> initrd=/boot/initrd-lvm.img
> root=/dev/rootvg/root
> read-write
> ramdisk=8192
>
> The problem is the same.
> The read-write parameter is for /dev/rootvg/root not for the RAM Disk?
> And mount, vgscan can't to the RAM Disk.
> I can't mount my root filesystem because LVM is not initialize (vgscan,
> vgchange not working in RAM Disk)
>
the problem is not the root filesystem but probably the initrd filesystem.
Are you a debian user, if so the default kernel make procedures give you a
cram filesystem which is only ever read-only. The default kernel build if
Iremember rightly doesn't even have ext2 built into the kernel but loads it
as a module when running through the initrd boot process.
To get round this you will have to ensure a writable fs is built into the
kernel (not a module) and then mount the initrd image on a loopback device
then repeat with an ext2 filesystem created using mke2fs, copy from the
first loopback to the second, unmount both and compress the ext2 fs
version and copy this back to your /boot partition.
I did it a couple of times then accepted that until various changes are
made to the debian kernel build process you won't have default debian
systems able to boot into root on lvm setups. and went back to a normal
root device.
Regards
Andy
--
---~~~===~~~---
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* Re: [linux-lvm] Debian 3.0, kernel 2.4.18 booting with a LVM root fs LVM doesn't work
2002-09-26 6:51 ` Heinz J . Mauelshagen
2002-09-26 7:57 ` LEBRETON Philippe
@ 2002-09-26 9:36 ` LEBRETON Philippe
1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: LEBRETON Philippe @ 2002-09-26 9:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-lvm
"Heinz J . Mauelshagen" wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 01:30:48PM +0200, LEBRETON Philippe wrote:
> > "Heinz J . Mauelshagen" wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 12:19:54PM +0200, LEBRETON Philippe wrote:
> > > > hello,
> > > >
> > > > My configuration is :
> > > >
> <SNIP>
> >
> > yes my initrd is read-only but hox i can made initrd read-write?
>
> boot parameter "rw" or "read-write" in lilo.conf.
>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > linux-lvm mailing list
> > linux-lvm@sistina.com
> > http://lists.sistina.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm
> > read the LVM HOW-TO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/
>
> --
>
> Regards,
> Heinz -- The LVM Guy --
>
> *** Software bugs are stupid.
> Nevertheless it needs not so stupid people to solve them ***
>
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
> Heinz Mauelshagen Sistina Software Inc.
> Senior Consultant/Developer Am Sonnenhang 11
> 56242 Marienrachdorf
> Germany
> Mauelshagen@Sistina.com +49 2626 141200
> FAX 924446
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
> _______________________________________________
> linux-lvm mailing list
> linux-lvm@sistina.com
> http://lists.sistina.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm
> read the LVM HOW-TO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/
i change my lilo.conf :
image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.18-smp
label=LinuxLVM
initrd=/boot/initrd-lvm.img
root=/dev/rootvg/root
read-write
ramdisk=8192
The problem is the same.
The read-write parameter is for /dev/rootvg/root not for the RAM Disk?
And mount, vgscan can't to the RAM Disk.
I can't mount my root filesystem because LVM is not initialize (vgscan,
vgchange
not working in RAM Disk)
_______________________________________________
linux-lvm mailing list
linux-lvm@sistina.com
http://lists.sistina.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm
read the LVM HOW-TO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 8+ messages in thread
* Re: [linux-lvm] Debian 3.0, kernel 2.4.18 booting with a LVM root fs LVM doesn't work
2002-09-26 9:18 ` Andy Baillie
@ 2002-09-27 9:35 ` LEBRETON Philippe
0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: LEBRETON Philippe @ 2002-09-27 9:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-lvm
Andy Baillie wrote:
> > "Heinz J . Mauelshagen" wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 01:30:48PM +0200, LEBRETON Philippe wrote:
> >> > "Heinz J . Mauelshagen" wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 12:19:54PM +0200, LEBRETON Philippe wrote:
> >> > > > hello,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > My configuration is :
> >> > > >
> >> <SNIP>
> >> >
> >> > yes my initrd is read-only but hox i can made initrd read-write?
> >>
> >> boot parameter "rw" or "read-write" in lilo.conf.
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > linux-lvm mailing list
> >> > linux-lvm@sistina.com
> >> > http://lists.sistina.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm
> >> > read the LVM HOW-TO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Heinz -- The LVM Guy --
> >>
> >> *** Software bugs are stupid.
> >> Nevertheless it needs not so stupid people to solve them ***
> >>
> >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=->>
> >> Heinz Mauelshagen Sistina Software
> >> Inc. Senior Consultant/Developer Am Sonnenhang
> >> 11
> >> 56242 Marienrachdorf
> >> Germany
> >> Mauelshagen@Sistina.com +49 2626 141200
> >> FAX 924446
> >> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=->>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> linux-lvm mailing list
> >> linux-lvm@sistina.com
> >> http://lists.sistina.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm
> >> read the LVM HOW-TO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/
> >
> > i change my lilo.conf :
> > image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.18-smp
> > label=LinuxLVM
> > initrd=/boot/initrd-lvm.img
> > root=/dev/rootvg/root
> > read-write
> > ramdisk=8192
> >
> > The problem is the same.
> > The read-write parameter is for /dev/rootvg/root not for the RAM Disk?
> > And mount, vgscan can't to the RAM Disk.
> > I can't mount my root filesystem because LVM is not initialize (vgscan,
> > vgchange not working in RAM Disk)
> >
> the problem is not the root filesystem but probably the initrd filesystem.
> Are you a debian user, if so the default kernel make procedures give you a
> cram filesystem which is only ever read-only. The default kernel build if
> Iremember rightly doesn't even have ext2 built into the kernel but loads it
> as a module when running through the initrd boot process.
> To get round this you will have to ensure a writable fs is built into the
> kernel (not a module) and then mount the initrd image on a loopback device
> then repeat with an ext2 filesystem created using mke2fs, copy from the
> first loopback to the second, unmount both and compress the ext2 fs
> version and copy this back to your /boot partition.
> I did it a couple of times then accepted that until various changes are
> made to the debian kernel build process you won't have default debian
> systems able to boot into root on lvm setups. and went back to a normal
> root device.
> Regards
> Andy
>
> --
> ---~~~===~~~---
> http://www.landsofstone.org http://194.159.1.90
> telnet:mud.landsofstone.org:4801 212.46.65.2:4801
> ---~~~===~~~---
>
> _______________________________________________
> linux-lvm mailing list
> linux-lvm@sistina.com
> http://lists.sistina.com/mailman/listinfo/linux-lvm
> read the LVM HOW-TO at http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/
Thanks,
it's OK.
I compile my kernel with ext2.
I can mount ext2 ram fs and vgscan and vgchange work.
Thanks
Philippe LEBRETON
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