* Re: [alsa-devel] future of sounds/oss [not found] ` <s5hy3u32lhi.wl-tiwai@suse.de> @ 2017-05-12 7:03 ` Geert Uytterhoeven 2017-05-12 7:10 ` Takashi Iwai 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Geert Uytterhoeven @ 2017-05-12 7:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Takashi Iwai Cc: Christoph Hellwig, Jaroslav Kysela, Linus Torvalds, ALSA Development Mailing List, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Linux/m68k Hi Iwai-san, On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> wrote: > From: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> > Subject: [PATCH] sound: Disable the build of OSS drivers > > OSS drivers are left as badly unmaintained, and now we're facing a > problem to clean up the hackish set_fs() usage in their codes. Since > most of drivers have been covered by ALSA, and the others are dead old > and inactive, let's leave them RIP. > > This patch is the first step: disable the build of OSS drivers. > We'll eventually drop the whole codes and clean up later. > > Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> > --- > sound/Kconfig | 26 ++++++++++++++------------ > 1 file changed, 14 insertions(+), 12 deletions(-) > > diff --git a/sound/Kconfig b/sound/Kconfig > index ee2e69a9ecd1..41eda578d08e 100644 > --- a/sound/Kconfig > +++ b/sound/Kconfig > @@ -54,7 +54,8 @@ config SOUND_OSS_CORE_PRECLAIM > > If unsure, say Y. > > -source "sound/oss/dmasound/Kconfig" > +### TO-BE-REMOVED > +# source "sound/oss/dmasound/Kconfig" Please note the dmasound drivers do not have ALSA equivalents. Gr{oetje,eeting}s, Geert -- Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that. -- Linus Torvalds ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [alsa-devel] future of sounds/oss 2017-05-12 7:03 ` [alsa-devel] future of sounds/oss Geert Uytterhoeven @ 2017-05-12 7:10 ` Takashi Iwai 2017-05-12 7:17 ` Geert Uytterhoeven 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Takashi Iwai @ 2017-05-12 7:10 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Geert Uytterhoeven Cc: Christoph Hellwig, Jaroslav Kysela, Linus Torvalds, ALSA Development Mailing List, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Linux/m68k On Fri, 12 May 2017 09:03:07 +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > Hi Iwai-san, > > On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> wrote: > > From: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> > > Subject: [PATCH] sound: Disable the build of OSS drivers > > > > OSS drivers are left as badly unmaintained, and now we're facing a > > problem to clean up the hackish set_fs() usage in their codes. Since > > most of drivers have been covered by ALSA, and the others are dead old > > and inactive, let's leave them RIP. > > > > This patch is the first step: disable the build of OSS drivers. > > We'll eventually drop the whole codes and clean up later. > > > > Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> > > --- > > sound/Kconfig | 26 ++++++++++++++------------ > > 1 file changed, 14 insertions(+), 12 deletions(-) > > > > diff --git a/sound/Kconfig b/sound/Kconfig > > index ee2e69a9ecd1..41eda578d08e 100644 > > --- a/sound/Kconfig > > +++ b/sound/Kconfig > > @@ -54,7 +54,8 @@ config SOUND_OSS_CORE_PRECLAIM > > > > If unsure, say Y. > > > > -source "sound/oss/dmasound/Kconfig" > > +### TO-BE-REMOVED > > +# source "sound/oss/dmasound/Kconfig" > > Please note the dmasound drivers do not have ALSA equivalents. These belong to the latter, "dead old and inactive" ones :) Are these driver still used with the latest kernel? If users are willing to help, we can provide the port to ALSA drivers, too. thanks, Takashi ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [alsa-devel] future of sounds/oss 2017-05-12 7:10 ` Takashi Iwai @ 2017-05-12 7:17 ` Geert Uytterhoeven 2017-05-12 7:27 ` Takashi Iwai 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Geert Uytterhoeven @ 2017-05-12 7:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Takashi Iwai Cc: Christoph Hellwig, Jaroslav Kysela, Linus Torvalds, ALSA Development Mailing List, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Linux/m68k Hi Iwai-san, On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 9:10 AM, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> wrote: > On Fri, 12 May 2017 09:03:07 +0200, > Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: >> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> wrote: >> > From: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> >> > Subject: [PATCH] sound: Disable the build of OSS drivers >> > >> > OSS drivers are left as badly unmaintained, and now we're facing a >> > problem to clean up the hackish set_fs() usage in their codes. Since >> > most of drivers have been covered by ALSA, and the others are dead old >> > and inactive, let's leave them RIP. >> > >> > This patch is the first step: disable the build of OSS drivers. >> > We'll eventually drop the whole codes and clean up later. >> > >> > Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> >> > --- >> > sound/Kconfig | 26 ++++++++++++++------------ >> > 1 file changed, 14 insertions(+), 12 deletions(-) >> > >> > diff --git a/sound/Kconfig b/sound/Kconfig >> > index ee2e69a9ecd1..41eda578d08e 100644 >> > --- a/sound/Kconfig >> > +++ b/sound/Kconfig >> > @@ -54,7 +54,8 @@ config SOUND_OSS_CORE_PRECLAIM >> > >> > If unsure, say Y. >> > >> > -source "sound/oss/dmasound/Kconfig" >> > +### TO-BE-REMOVED >> > +# source "sound/oss/dmasound/Kconfig" >> >> Please note the dmasound drivers do not have ALSA equivalents. > > These belong to the latter, "dead old and inactive" ones :) > > Are these driver still used with the latest kernel? If users are I believe so. > willing to help, we can provide the port to ALSA drivers, too. That would be great, thanks! Gr{oetje,eeting}s, Geert -- Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that. -- Linus Torvalds ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [alsa-devel] future of sounds/oss 2017-05-12 7:17 ` Geert Uytterhoeven @ 2017-05-12 7:27 ` Takashi Iwai 2017-05-12 7:30 ` Geert Uytterhoeven 2017-05-12 8:28 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz 0 siblings, 2 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Takashi Iwai @ 2017-05-12 7:27 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Geert Uytterhoeven Cc: Christoph Hellwig, Jaroslav Kysela, Linus Torvalds, ALSA Development Mailing List, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Linux/m68k On Fri, 12 May 2017 09:17:35 +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > Hi Iwai-san, > > On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 9:10 AM, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> wrote: > > On Fri, 12 May 2017 09:03:07 +0200, > > Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > >> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> wrote: > >> > From: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> > >> > Subject: [PATCH] sound: Disable the build of OSS drivers > >> > > >> > OSS drivers are left as badly unmaintained, and now we're facing a > >> > problem to clean up the hackish set_fs() usage in their codes. Since > >> > most of drivers have been covered by ALSA, and the others are dead old > >> > and inactive, let's leave them RIP. > >> > > >> > This patch is the first step: disable the build of OSS drivers. > >> > We'll eventually drop the whole codes and clean up later. > >> > > >> > Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> > >> > --- > >> > sound/Kconfig | 26 ++++++++++++++------------ > >> > 1 file changed, 14 insertions(+), 12 deletions(-) > >> > > >> > diff --git a/sound/Kconfig b/sound/Kconfig > >> > index ee2e69a9ecd1..41eda578d08e 100644 > >> > --- a/sound/Kconfig > >> > +++ b/sound/Kconfig > >> > @@ -54,7 +54,8 @@ config SOUND_OSS_CORE_PRECLAIM > >> > > >> > If unsure, say Y. > >> > > >> > -source "sound/oss/dmasound/Kconfig" > >> > +### TO-BE-REMOVED > >> > +# source "sound/oss/dmasound/Kconfig" > >> > >> Please note the dmasound drivers do not have ALSA equivalents. > > > > These belong to the latter, "dead old and inactive" ones :) > > > > Are these driver still used with the latest kernel? If users are > > I believe so. > > > willing to help, we can provide the port to ALSA drivers, too. > > That would be great, thanks! OK, we can go forward, then. But, looking at the tree again, I noticed that ALSA isn't built yet at all for m68k. I don't remember why it's disabled. Jaroslav, do you know the reason behind it? And, dmasound is a completely different implementation from the other OSS, thus it doesn't suffer from set_fs() hack. That is, we may still keep dmasound, while removing other OSS stuff. Meanwhile we'll try to support ALSA on m64k and eventually target to drop dmasound stuff. Does it sound more feasible? thanks, Takashi ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [alsa-devel] future of sounds/oss 2017-05-12 7:27 ` Takashi Iwai @ 2017-05-12 7:30 ` Geert Uytterhoeven 2017-05-12 8:01 ` Takashi Iwai 2017-05-12 8:28 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz 1 sibling, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Geert Uytterhoeven @ 2017-05-12 7:30 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Takashi Iwai Cc: Christoph Hellwig, Jaroslav Kysela, Linus Torvalds, ALSA Development Mailing List, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Linux/m68k Hi Iwai-san, On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> wrote: > On Fri, 12 May 2017 09:17:35 +0200, > Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: >> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 9:10 AM, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> wrote: >> > On Fri, 12 May 2017 09:03:07 +0200, >> > Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: >> >> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> wrote: >> >> > index ee2e69a9ecd1..41eda578d08e 100644 >> >> > --- a/sound/Kconfig >> >> > +++ b/sound/Kconfig >> >> > @@ -54,7 +54,8 @@ config SOUND_OSS_CORE_PRECLAIM >> >> > >> >> > If unsure, say Y. >> >> > >> >> > -source "sound/oss/dmasound/Kconfig" >> >> > +### TO-BE-REMOVED >> >> > +# source "sound/oss/dmasound/Kconfig" >> >> >> >> Please note the dmasound drivers do not have ALSA equivalents. >> > >> > These belong to the latter, "dead old and inactive" ones :) >> > >> > Are these driver still used with the latest kernel? If users are >> >> I believe so. >> >> > willing to help, we can provide the port to ALSA drivers, too. >> >> That would be great, thanks! > > OK, we can go forward, then. > > But, looking at the tree again, I noticed that ALSA isn't built yet at > all for m68k. I don't remember why it's disabled. > Jaroslav, do you know the reason behind it? Because ALSA doesn't have any drivers that can be used on m68k platforms? > And, dmasound is a completely different implementation from the other > OSS, thus it doesn't suffer from set_fs() hack. That is, we may still > keep dmasound, while removing other OSS stuff. That's indeed good to know. > Meanwhile we'll try to support ALSA on m64k and eventually target to > drop dmasound stuff. > > Does it sound more feasible? Yes, definitely in the short run ;-) Gr{oetje,eeting}s, Geert -- Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that. -- Linus Torvalds ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [alsa-devel] future of sounds/oss 2017-05-12 7:30 ` Geert Uytterhoeven @ 2017-05-12 8:01 ` Takashi Iwai 2017-05-16 7:45 ` Geert Uytterhoeven 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Takashi Iwai @ 2017-05-12 8:01 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Geert Uytterhoeven Cc: Christoph Hellwig, Jaroslav Kysela, Linus Torvalds, ALSA Development Mailing List, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Linux/m68k On Fri, 12 May 2017 09:30:04 +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > Hi Iwai-san, > > On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> wrote: > > On Fri, 12 May 2017 09:17:35 +0200, > > Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > >> On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 9:10 AM, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> wrote: > >> > On Fri, 12 May 2017 09:03:07 +0200, > >> > Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > >> >> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 10:21 PM, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> wrote: > >> >> > index ee2e69a9ecd1..41eda578d08e 100644 > >> >> > --- a/sound/Kconfig > >> >> > +++ b/sound/Kconfig > >> >> > @@ -54,7 +54,8 @@ config SOUND_OSS_CORE_PRECLAIM > >> >> > > >> >> > If unsure, say Y. > >> >> > > >> >> > -source "sound/oss/dmasound/Kconfig" > >> >> > +### TO-BE-REMOVED > >> >> > +# source "sound/oss/dmasound/Kconfig" > >> >> > >> >> Please note the dmasound drivers do not have ALSA equivalents. > >> > > >> > These belong to the latter, "dead old and inactive" ones :) > >> > > >> > Are these driver still used with the latest kernel? If users are > >> > >> I believe so. > >> > >> > willing to help, we can provide the port to ALSA drivers, too. > >> > >> That would be great, thanks! > > > > OK, we can go forward, then. > > > > But, looking at the tree again, I noticed that ALSA isn't built yet at > > all for m68k. I don't remember why it's disabled. > > Jaroslav, do you know the reason behind it? > > Because ALSA doesn't have any drivers that can be used on m68k platforms? But we have virtual and generic drivers (such as UART support), so there seems no reason to stop it. Maybe the lack of proper MMU support was the reason? Let's try to cross-build... > > And, dmasound is a completely different implementation from the other > > OSS, thus it doesn't suffer from set_fs() hack. That is, we may still > > keep dmasound, while removing other OSS stuff. > > That's indeed good to know. > > > Meanwhile we'll try to support ALSA on m64k and eventually target to > > drop dmasound stuff. > > > > Does it sound more feasible? > > Yes, definitely in the short run ;-) OK, below is the revised patch. Now it's a really one-liner. thanks, Takashi -- 8< -- From: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> Subject: [PATCH v3] sound: Disable the build of OSS drivers OSS drivers are left as badly unmaintained, and now we're facing a problem to clean up the hackish set_fs() usage in their codes. Since most of drivers have been covered by ALSA, and the others are dead old and inactive, let's leave them RIP. This patch is the first step: disable the build of OSS drivers. We'll eventually drop the whole codes and clean up later. Note that sound/oss/dmasound is still kept, since it's a completely different implementation of OSS, and it doesn't suffer from set_fs() hack. Moreover, the build of ALSA is disabled on M68K by some reason, thus disabling it shall result in a regression. This one will be disabled / removed once when we add the support in ALSA side. Tested-by: Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org> Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> --- v1->v2: Smaller changes, as Linus and Randy suggested. The first dmasound Kconfig inclusion is still commented out since it's shorter/simpler in the end. v2->v3: Keep dmasound, as it's independent from other OSS implementations. sound/Kconfig | 1 + 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+) diff --git a/sound/Kconfig b/sound/Kconfig index ee2e69a9ecd1..6a215a8c0490 100644 --- a/sound/Kconfig +++ b/sound/Kconfig @@ -115,6 +115,7 @@ endif # SND menuconfig SOUND_PRIME tristate "Open Sound System (DEPRECATED)" select SOUND_OSS_CORE + depends on BROKEN help Say 'Y' or 'M' to enable Open Sound System drivers. -- 2.12.2 ^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [alsa-devel] future of sounds/oss 2017-05-12 8:01 ` Takashi Iwai @ 2017-05-16 7:45 ` Geert Uytterhoeven 2017-05-16 8:44 ` Takashi Iwai 0 siblings, 1 reply; 9+ messages in thread From: Geert Uytterhoeven @ 2017-05-16 7:45 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Takashi Iwai Cc: Christoph Hellwig, Jaroslav Kysela, Linus Torvalds, ALSA Development Mailing List, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Linux/m68k Hi Iwai-san, On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> wrote: >> > But, looking at the tree again, I noticed that ALSA isn't built yet at >> > all for m68k. I don't remember why it's disabled. >> > Jaroslav, do you know the reason behind it? >> >> Because ALSA doesn't have any drivers that can be used on m68k platforms? > > But we have virtual and generic drivers (such as UART support), so > there seems no reason to stop it. Maybe the lack of proper MMU It seems to date back to the move of sound from arch/*/Kconfig to sound/Kconfig. I guess at that time there was just no use for ALSO on m68k. > support was the reason? Let's try to cross-build... Building seems to work fine... Gr{oetje,eeting}s, Geert -- Geert Uytterhoeven -- There's lots of Linux beyond ia32 -- geert@linux-m68k.org In personal conversations with technical people, I call myself a hacker. But when I'm talking to journalists I just say "programmer" or something like that. -- Linus Torvalds ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [alsa-devel] future of sounds/oss 2017-05-16 7:45 ` Geert Uytterhoeven @ 2017-05-16 8:44 ` Takashi Iwai 0 siblings, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: Takashi Iwai @ 2017-05-16 8:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Geert Uytterhoeven Cc: Christoph Hellwig, Jaroslav Kysela, Linus Torvalds, ALSA Development Mailing List, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Linux/m68k On Tue, 16 May 2017 09:45:04 +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote: > > Hi Iwai-san, > > On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> wrote: > >> > But, looking at the tree again, I noticed that ALSA isn't built yet at > >> > all for m68k. I don't remember why it's disabled. > >> > Jaroslav, do you know the reason behind it? > >> > >> Because ALSA doesn't have any drivers that can be used on m68k platforms? > > > > But we have virtual and generic drivers (such as UART support), so > > there seems no reason to stop it. Maybe the lack of proper MMU > > It seems to date back to the move of sound from arch/*/Kconfig > to sound/Kconfig. I guess at that time there was just no use for ALSO on > m68k. > > > support was the reason? Let's try to cross-build... > > Building seems to work fine... Worked fine with my cross-build test, too. OK, let's enable the build on 4.13. The patch is attached below. thanks, Takashi -- 8< -- From: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> Subject: [PATCH] ALSA: Enable build with m68k By some reason in the ancient history, we disabled the build of ALSA drivers for m68k. Since we'd like to move sound/oss/dmasound stuff into ALSA for the complete drop of the legacy OSS stuff, let's try to start building with m68k. Signed-off-by: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de> --- sound/Kconfig | 4 ++-- 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a/sound/Kconfig b/sound/Kconfig index ee2e69a9ecd1..6437e398b08e 100644 --- a/sound/Kconfig +++ b/sound/Kconfig @@ -56,7 +56,7 @@ config SOUND_OSS_CORE_PRECLAIM source "sound/oss/dmasound/Kconfig" -if !M68K && !UML +if !UML menuconfig SND tristate "Advanced Linux Sound Architecture" @@ -124,7 +124,7 @@ source "sound/oss/Kconfig" endif # SOUND_PRIME -endif # !M68K +endif # !UML endif # SOUND -- 2.12.2 ^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
* Re: [alsa-devel] future of sounds/oss 2017-05-12 7:27 ` Takashi Iwai 2017-05-12 7:30 ` Geert Uytterhoeven @ 2017-05-12 8:28 ` John Paul Adrian Glaubitz 1 sibling, 0 replies; 9+ messages in thread From: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz @ 2017-05-12 8:28 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Takashi Iwai Cc: Geert Uytterhoeven, Christoph Hellwig, Jaroslav Kysela, Linus Torvalds, ALSA Development Mailing List, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Linux/m68k On Fri, May 12, 2017 at 09:27:56AM +0200, Takashi Iwai wrote: > But, looking at the tree again, I noticed that ALSA isn't built yet at > all for m68k. I don't remember why it's disabled. > Jaroslav, do you know the reason behind it? Might also just be because the m68k port had been dead in Debian for a while due the lack of TLS support in glibc on m68k. However, the port is active again and in pretty good shape now. I'm currently working on fixing debian-installer on m68k, so that people can install the port without having to resort to things like debootstrap. > And, dmasound is a completely different implementation from the other > OSS, thus it doesn't suffer from set_fs() hack. That is, we may still > keep dmasound, while removing other OSS stuff. Thanks! Highly appreciated. > Meanwhile we'll try to support ALSA on m64k and eventually target to > drop dmasound stuff. Ooooh, that would be awesome. If you need any testers on m68k, please let us know. I have plenty of m68k hardware for testing. > Does it sound more feasible? No idea whether it's feasible. But it sounds awesome :). Adrian -- .''`. John Paul Adrian Glaubitz : :' : Debian Developer - glaubitz@debian.org `. `' Freie Universitaet Berlin - glaubitz@physik.fu-berlin.de `- GPG: 62FF 8A75 84E0 2956 9546 0006 7426 3B37 F5B5 F913 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 9+ messages in thread
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