[ANN] Media Summit 2024: where to hold it?

[ANN] Media Summit 2024: where to hold it?

[Hans Verkuil]

Hi all,

Normally we like to have a one day Media Summit meeting co-located with
the Embedded Linux Conference Europe, however there isn't one this year.
Instead of organizing an ELC both in North America and in Europe each
year, the Linux Foundation switched to alternating between NA and Europe,
and this year it is in North America.

The problem is that most media subsystem developers are based in Europe
for some strange reason.

So we have to make a choice this year: we can co-locate with the gStreamer
and XDC conference in Montreal, Canada on October 7 or 8, or we can
organize a meeting somewhere in Europe ourselves. One possibility is
to try and co-locate with the Open Source Summit Europe/LPC conferences
in Vienna, Austria in the week of September 16-20. Another is just to
organize something ourselves somewhere in Europe. But that's a last resort,
co-locating with a conference is generally more appealing for people.

The advantage of picking Montreal is that the gStreamer conference is
more applicable to the work we do, and we can get a meeting room there
free of charge. Besides, I've never been to Montreal :-)

But can we get enough of the core media maintainers there? There is no
point otherwise. I suspect that the same company travel constraints that
were present last year are still in force this year.

If we pick Vienna instead (assuming we can get a meeting room for a decent
price), would that work better?

So if you are a core media maintainer, or an active media developer interested
in joining a Media Summit, please let me know if:

1) Montreal, October 7 or 8, works for me!
2) Vienna, one day in the period September 16-20, works for me!

Please respond asap, I'd like to get a clear picture soon, ideally by the end
of next week.

Regards,

	Hans

Re: [ANN] Media Summit 2024: where to hold it?

[Laurent Pinchart]

Hi Hans,

On Thu, Apr 04, 2024 at 09:29:34AM +0200, Hans Verkuil wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Normally we like to have a one day Media Summit meeting co-located with
> the Embedded Linux Conference Europe, however there isn't one this year.
> 
> Instead of organizing an ELC both in North America and in Europe each
> year, the Linux Foundation switched to alternating between NA and Europe,
> and this year it is in North America.

It's a bit of a mess this year actually. The plan announced last year
was to de-couple ELC for OSS, as the event grew too big, causing
difficulties for attendees to find each other, and increasing the costs
quite dramatically. It was deemed not possible to keep organizing two
standalone ELC per year in the new setup, so they decided to handle it
as LPC, alternating between Europe and North America.

In practice, and for a reason that doesn't seem to be public, ELC NA has
been collocated with OSS NA, and someone decided to add an ELC component
to OSS EU in Vienna without really announcing it. It is a "mini ELC"
apparently, with two parallel tracks only.

TL;DR: It's a mess and many people in the community are frustrated.

> The problem is that most media subsystem developers are based in Europe
> for some strange reason.

The reason, and a possible change in that particular area of
demographics, are likely best discussed face to face in a state of
incomplete sobriety :-) In any case, it seems to be a fact at the
moment.

> So we have to make a choice this year: we can co-locate with the gStreamer
> and XDC conference in Montreal, Canada on October 7 or 8, or we can
> organize a meeting somewhere in Europe ourselves. One possibility is
> to try and co-locate with the Open Source Summit Europe/LPC conferences
> in Vienna, Austria in the week of September 16-20. Another is just to
> organize something ourselves somewhere in Europe. But that's a last resort,
> co-locating with a conference is generally more appealing for people.

We also floated the idea of co-locating with Embedded Recipes, but that
has been cancelled this year (partly due to the ELC changes).

> The advantage of picking Montreal is that the gStreamer conference is
> more applicable to the work we do, and we can get a meeting room there
> free of charge. Besides, I've never been to Montreal :-)

Montréal is nice :-)

> But can we get enough of the core media maintainers there? There is no
> point otherwise. I suspect that the same company travel constraints that
> were present last year are still in force this year.
>
> If we pick Vienna instead (assuming we can get a meeting room for a decent
> price), would that work better?

I think we can figure out sponsorship to pay for a room.

> So if you are a core media maintainer, or an active media developer interested
> in joining a Media Summit, please let me know if:
> 
> 1) Montreal, October 7 or 8, works for me!
> 2) Vienna, one day in the period September 16-20, works for me!
> 
> Please respond asap, I'd like to get a clear picture soon, ideally by the end
> of next week.

I will personally travel to Montréal regardless of where we organize the
media summit, so both work for me. I however think it will be difficult
to get a large enough audience there, and Vienna seems a better pick. We
will need to be careful to select a date that will minimize conflicts
though. As LPC is probably the most interesting event that week, and
runs from Wednesday to Friday, I think we should pick either Monday the
16th or Tuesday the 17th.

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart

Re: [ANN] Media Summit 2024: where to hold it?

[Daniel Almeida]

Hi all,

Montreal would be a better pick for me, but Vienna also works.

— Daniel

Re: [ANN] Media Summit 2024: where to hold it?

[Mauro Carvalho Chehab]

Em Thu, 4 Apr 2024 13:09:28 +0300
Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com> escreveu:

> > So we have to make a choice this year: we can co-locate with the gStreamer
> > and XDC conference in Montreal, Canada on October 7 or 8, or we can
> > organize a meeting somewhere in Europe ourselves. One possibility is
> > to try and co-locate with the Open Source Summit Europe/LPC conferences
> > in Vienna, Austria in the week of September 16-20. Another is just to
> > organize something ourselves somewhere in Europe. But that's a last resort,
> > co-locating with a conference is generally more appealing for people.  
> 
> We also floated the idea of co-locating with Embedded Recipes, but that
> has been cancelled this year (partly due to the ELC changes).

Embedded Recipes would work as well - or some other smaller conference - but 
I guess right now the only open source scheduled event in Europe seems to be
OSS/LPC.

> > The advantage of picking Montreal is that the gStreamer conference is
> > more applicable to the work we do, and we can get a meeting room there
> > free of charge. Besides, I've never been to Montreal :-)  
> 
> Montréal is nice :-)

Montréal sounds nice to visit, but I would be traveling just for the
Media Summit, as I'm not doing any gstreamer-related work. So, for me,
it won't be much different than a standalone Media Summit. I suspect
that locating there will limit the audience to the ones also working
on Gstreamer itself or working at one of its sponsors.

Being in North America, probably OSS would be a better fit, as other
Kernel developers could be around, and it will likely have a more
diverse audience. However, April is too close, so unpractical. 

There is OSS Japan In Oct, where we could have Kernel developers from 
other subsystems also there. But again, as most developers are in Europe,
it probably means that the audience may not be as diverse as if we do
the event in EU.

Also, I guess travel budgets are still tight this year, so, IMO an event
in Europe sounds more likely to have a more representative set of people.

> 
> > But can we get enough of the core media maintainers there? There is no
> > point otherwise. I suspect that the same company travel constraints that
> > were present last year are still in force this year.
> >
> > If we pick Vienna instead (assuming we can get a meeting room for a decent
> > price), would that work better?  
> 
> I think we can figure out sponsorship to pay for a room.
> 
> > So if you are a core media maintainer, or an active media developer interested
> > in joining a Media Summit, please let me know if:
> > 
> > 1) Montreal, October 7 or 8, works for me!
> > 2) Vienna, one day in the period September 16-20, works for me!

Can't really say what works, as it will depend on having the travel
arranged/approved, but LPC/OSS Europe in Vienna will likely work better
for me.

Thanks,
Mauro

Re: [ANN] Media Summit 2024: where to hold it?

[Nicolas Dufresne]

Le jeudi 04 avril 2024 à 15:35 +0200, Mauro Carvalho Chehab a écrit :
> Em Thu, 4 Apr 2024 13:09:28 +0300
> Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com> escreveu:
> 
> > > So we have to make a choice this year: we can co-locate with the gStreamer
> > > and XDC conference in Montreal, Canada on October 7 or 8, or we can
> > > organize a meeting somewhere in Europe ourselves. One possibility is
> > > to try and co-locate with the Open Source Summit Europe/LPC conferences
> > > in Vienna, Austria in the week of September 16-20. Another is just to
> > > organize something ourselves somewhere in Europe. But that's a last resort,
> > > co-locating with a conference is generally more appealing for people.  
> > 
> > We also floated the idea of co-locating with Embedded Recipes, but that
> > has been cancelled this year (partly due to the ELC changes).
> 
> Embedded Recipes would work as well - or some other smaller conference - but 
> I guess right now the only open source scheduled event in Europe seems to be
> OSS/LPC.
> 
> > > The advantage of picking Montreal is that the gStreamer conference is
> > > more applicable to the work we do, and we can get a meeting room there
> > > free of charge. Besides, I've never been to Montreal :-)  
> > 
> > Montréal is nice :-)
> 
> Montréal sounds nice to visit, but I would be traveling just for the
> Media Summit, as I'm not doing any gstreamer-related work. So, for me,
> it won't be much different than a standalone Media Summit. I suspect
> that locating there will limit the audience to the ones also working
> on Gstreamer itself or working at one of its sponsors.

The XDC conference is also happening in the same time period. I believe some of
us do have both media/graphics interest in their daily work.

regards,
Nicolas

> 
> Being in North America, probably OSS would be a better fit, as other
> Kernel developers could be around, and it will likely have a more
> diverse audience. However, April is too close, so unpractical. 
> 
> There is OSS Japan In Oct, where we could have Kernel developers from 
> other subsystems also there. But again, as most developers are in Europe,
> it probably means that the audience may not be as diverse as if we do
> the event in EU.
> 
> Also, I guess travel budgets are still tight this year, so, IMO an event
> in Europe sounds more likely to have a more representative set of people.
> 
> > 
> > > But can we get enough of the core media maintainers there? There is no
> > > point otherwise. I suspect that the same company travel constraints that
> > > were present last year are still in force this year.
> > > 
> > > If we pick Vienna instead (assuming we can get a meeting room for a decent
> > > price), would that work better?  
> > 
> > I think we can figure out sponsorship to pay for a room.
> > 
> > > So if you are a core media maintainer, or an active media developer interested
> > > in joining a Media Summit, please let me know if:
> > > 
> > > 1) Montreal, October 7 or 8, works for me!
> > > 2) Vienna, one day in the period September 16-20, works for me!
> 
> Can't really say what works, as it will depend on having the travel
> arranged/approved, but LPC/OSS Europe in Vienna will likely work better
> for me.
> 
> Thanks,
> Mauro
> 

Re: [ANN] Media Summit 2024: where to hold it?

[Nicolas Dufresne]

Hi everyone,

Le jeudi 04 avril 2024 à 09:29 +0200, Hans Verkuil a écrit :
> 
> 1) Montreal, October 7 or 8, works for me!

Works for me of course and it would be such a great pleasure see you all in
Montreal. It might also allow some of the folks in Sillicon Valley to come and
visit for once.

> 2) Vienna, one day in the period September 16-20, works for me!

Of course restrictions are not always just about travel cost, as I'll be
spending quite a lot of time at GStreamer Conference/Hackfest and XDC, I'll
unlikely be able to be in Vienna that close.

regards,
Nicolas

Re: [ANN] Media Summit 2024: where to hold it?

[Sakari Ailus]

Hi Hans,

On Thu, Apr 04, 2024 at 09:29:34AM +0200, Hans Verkuil wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Normally we like to have a one day Media Summit meeting co-located with
> the Embedded Linux Conference Europe, however there isn't one this year.
> Instead of organizing an ELC both in North America and in Europe each
> year, the Linux Foundation switched to alternating between NA and Europe,
> and this year it is in North America.

Thank you for proposing this.

> 
> The problem is that most media subsystem developers are based in Europe
> for some strange reason.
> 
> So we have to make a choice this year: we can co-locate with the gStreamer
> and XDC conference in Montreal, Canada on October 7 or 8, or we can
> organize a meeting somewhere in Europe ourselves. One possibility is
> to try and co-locate with the Open Source Summit Europe/LPC conferences
> in Vienna, Austria in the week of September 16-20. Another is just to
> organize something ourselves somewhere in Europe. But that's a last resort,
> co-locating with a conference is generally more appealing for people.
> 
> The advantage of picking Montreal is that the gStreamer conference is
> more applicable to the work we do, and we can get a meeting room there
> free of charge. Besides, I've never been to Montreal :-)
> 
> But can we get enough of the core media maintainers there? There is no
> point otherwise. I suspect that the same company travel constraints that
> were present last year are still in force this year.
> 
> If we pick Vienna instead (assuming we can get a meeting room for a decent
> price), would that work better?
> 
> So if you are a core media maintainer, or an active media developer interested
> in joining a Media Summit, please let me know if:
> 
> 1) Montreal, October 7 or 8, works for me!
> 2) Vienna, one day in the period September 16-20, works for me!
> 
> Please respond asap, I'd like to get a clear picture soon, ideally by the end
> of next week.

My preference is Vienna. I wouldn't expect to travel to Montréal this time
if the summit was held there.

-- 
Kind regards,

Sakari Ailus

Re: [ANN] Media Summit 2024: where to hold it?

[Jacopo Mondi]

Hi Hans
   thanks for starting this conversation

On Thu, Apr 04, 2024 at 09:29:34AM +0200, Hans Verkuil wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Normally we like to have a one day Media Summit meeting co-located with
> the Embedded Linux Conference Europe, however there isn't one this year.
> Instead of organizing an ELC both in North America and in Europe each
> year, the Linux Foundation switched to alternating between NA and Europe,
> and this year it is in North America.
>
> The problem is that most media subsystem developers are based in Europe
> for some strange reason.
>
> So we have to make a choice this year: we can co-locate with the gStreamer
> and XDC conference in Montreal, Canada on October 7 or 8, or we can
> organize a meeting somewhere in Europe ourselves. One possibility is
> to try and co-locate with the Open Source Summit Europe/LPC conferences
> in Vienna, Austria in the week of September 16-20. Another is just to
> organize something ourselves somewhere in Europe. But that's a last resort,
> co-locating with a conference is generally more appealing for people.

Co-locating is always easier, people is more likely to get
permits/budget for travelling if there are other events happening.

>
> The advantage of picking Montreal is that the gStreamer conference is
> more applicable to the work we do, and we can get a meeting room there
> free of charge. Besides, I've never been to Montreal :-)
>
> But can we get enough of the core media maintainers there? There is no
> point otherwise. I suspect that the same company travel constraints that
> were present last year are still in force this year.
>
> If we pick Vienna instead (assuming we can get a meeting room for a decent
> price), would that work better?
>
> So if you are a core media maintainer, or an active media developer interested
> in joining a Media Summit, please let me know if:
>
> 1) Montreal, October 7 or 8, works for me!
> 2) Vienna, one day in the period September 16-20, works for me!
>

I would surely be interested in visiting Montreal, also considering the
co-located events happening there, but it's way more likely I'll be in
Vienna, also due to the fact there will be a mini-ELC track as part of E-OSS
program.

Option 2 would then be my preference.

Thanks
  j

> Please respond asap, I'd like to get a clear picture soon, ideally by the end
> of next week.
>
> Regards,
>
> 	Hans

Re: [ANN] Media Summit 2024: where to hold it?

[Hans Verkuil]

Hi all,

Based on the responses it is clear that Vienna is the winner here.

However nice Montreal is, it is simply not an option for several key
developers.

I contacted the Linux Foundation to see if we can get a meeting room
co-located with the Open Source Summit Europe/ELC. I am aiming for
16 or 17 September.

When I know more I will post an announcement with more info and a request
for topics.

Thank you all for your quick replies!

Regards,

	Hans

On 04/04/2024 09:29, Hans Verkuil wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Normally we like to have a one day Media Summit meeting co-located with
> the Embedded Linux Conference Europe, however there isn't one this year.
> Instead of organizing an ELC both in North America and in Europe each
> year, the Linux Foundation switched to alternating between NA and Europe,
> and this year it is in North America.
> 
> The problem is that most media subsystem developers are based in Europe
> for some strange reason.
> 
> So we have to make a choice this year: we can co-locate with the gStreamer
> and XDC conference in Montreal, Canada on October 7 or 8, or we can
> organize a meeting somewhere in Europe ourselves. One possibility is
> to try and co-locate with the Open Source Summit Europe/LPC conferences
> in Vienna, Austria in the week of September 16-20. Another is just to
> organize something ourselves somewhere in Europe. But that's a last resort,
> co-locating with a conference is generally more appealing for people.
> 
> The advantage of picking Montreal is that the gStreamer conference is
> more applicable to the work we do, and we can get a meeting room there
> free of charge. Besides, I've never been to Montreal :-)
> 
> But can we get enough of the core media maintainers there? There is no
> point otherwise. I suspect that the same company travel constraints that
> were present last year are still in force this year.
> 
> If we pick Vienna instead (assuming we can get a meeting room for a decent
> price), would that work better?
> 
> So if you are a core media maintainer, or an active media developer interested
> in joining a Media Summit, please let me know if:
> 
> 1) Montreal, October 7 or 8, works for me!
> 2) Vienna, one day in the period September 16-20, works for me!
> 
> Please respond asap, I'd like to get a clear picture soon, ideally by the end
> of next week.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 	Hans
> 

Re: [ANN] Media Summit 2024: where to hold it?

[Chen-Yu Tsai]

On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 5:34 PM Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Based on the responses it is clear that Vienna is the winner here.
>
> However nice Montreal is, it is simply not an option for several key
> developers.
>
> I contacted the Linux Foundation to see if we can get a meeting room
> co-located with the Open Source Summit Europe/ELC. I am aiming for
> 16 or 17 September.
>
> When I know more I will post an announcement with more info and a request
> for topics.
>
> Thank you all for your quick replies!

Sorry for the late reply. I'm replying on behalf of the ChromeOS V4L2
video team, whom I had been supporting previously. They'd prefer Montreal,
though they will try to send one person to attend regardless of the
location.


ChenYu



> Regards,
>
>         Hans
>
> On 04/04/2024 09:29, Hans Verkuil wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Normally we like to have a one day Media Summit meeting co-located with
> > the Embedded Linux Conference Europe, however there isn't one this year.
> > Instead of organizing an ELC both in North America and in Europe each
> > year, the Linux Foundation switched to alternating between NA and Europe,
> > and this year it is in North America.
> >
> > The problem is that most media subsystem developers are based in Europe
> > for some strange reason.
> >
> > So we have to make a choice this year: we can co-locate with the gStreamer
> > and XDC conference in Montreal, Canada on October 7 or 8, or we can
> > organize a meeting somewhere in Europe ourselves. One possibility is
> > to try and co-locate with the Open Source Summit Europe/LPC conferences
> > in Vienna, Austria in the week of September 16-20. Another is just to
> > organize something ourselves somewhere in Europe. But that's a last resort,
> > co-locating with a conference is generally more appealing for people.
> >
> > The advantage of picking Montreal is that the gStreamer conference is
> > more applicable to the work we do, and we can get a meeting room there
> > free of charge. Besides, I've never been to Montreal :-)
> >
> > But can we get enough of the core media maintainers there? There is no
> > point otherwise. I suspect that the same company travel constraints that
> > were present last year are still in force this year.
> >
> > If we pick Vienna instead (assuming we can get a meeting room for a decent
> > price), would that work better?
> >
> > So if you are a core media maintainer, or an active media developer interested
> > in joining a Media Summit, please let me know if:
> >
> > 1) Montreal, October 7 or 8, works for me!
> > 2) Vienna, one day in the period September 16-20, works for me!
> >
> > Please respond asap, I'd like to get a clear picture soon, ideally by the end
> > of next week.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >       Hans
> >
>
>

Re: [ANN] Media Summit 2024: where to hold it?

[Benjamin Mugnier]

Hi Hans,

Thank your for starting this topic.

On 4/4/24 09:29, Hans Verkuil wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Normally we like to have a one day Media Summit meeting co-located with
> the Embedded Linux Conference Europe, however there isn't one this year.
> Instead of organizing an ELC both in North America and in Europe each
> year, the Linux Foundation switched to alternating between NA and Europe,
> and this year it is in North America.
> 
> The problem is that most media subsystem developers are based in Europe
> for some strange reason.
> 
> So we have to make a choice this year: we can co-locate with the gStreamer
> and XDC conference in Montreal, Canada on October 7 or 8, or we can
> organize a meeting somewhere in Europe ourselves. One possibility is
> to try and co-locate with the Open Source Summit Europe/LPC conferences
> in Vienna, Austria in the week of September 16-20. Another is just to
> organize something ourselves somewhere in Europe. But that's a last resort,
> co-locating with a conference is generally more appealing for people.
> 
> The advantage of picking Montreal is that the gStreamer conference is
> more applicable to the work we do, and we can get a meeting room there
> free of charge. Besides, I've never been to Montreal :-)
> 
> But can we get enough of the core media maintainers there? There is no
> point otherwise. I suspect that the same company travel constraints that
> were present last year are still in force this year.
> 
> If we pick Vienna instead (assuming we can get a meeting room for a decent
> price), would that work better?
> 
> So if you are a core media maintainer, or an active media developer interested
> in joining a Media Summit, please let me know if:
> 
> 1) Montreal, October 7 or 8, works for me!
> 2) Vienna, one day in the period September 16-20, works for me!

I will certainly be able to attend in person this time.
Both are fine for me :)

> 
> Please respond asap, I'd like to get a clear picture soon, ideally by the end
> of next week.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 	Hans
> 

-- 
Regards,

Benjamin