From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
To: Nicolas Dufresne <nicolas@ndufresne.ca>
Cc: Jori Koolstra <jkoolstra@xs4all.nl>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linuxfoundation.org>,
Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab+huawei@kernel.org>,
Derek Barbosa <debarbos@redhat.com>,
Matthieu Baerts <matttbe@kernel.org>,
Konstantin Ryabitsev <konstantin@linuxfoundation.org>,
Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
users@kernel.org,
Linux Media Mailing List <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>,
Stephen Finucane <stephenfin@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: Linking Patchwork with Sashiko?
Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2026 23:03:17 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260715200317.GA1824265@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <8061fd3d27432ba0b42fb398d70f56fabc2ee586.camel@ndufresne.ca>
On Wed, Jul 15, 2026 at 03:27:46PM -0400, Nicolas Dufresne wrote:
> Le mercredi 15 juillet 2026 à 22:12 +0300, Laurent Pinchart a écrit :
> > On Wed, Jul 15, 2026 at 02:13:12PM -0400, Nicolas Dufresne wrote:
> > > Le mercredi 15 juillet 2026 à 14:21 +0200, Jori Koolstra a écrit :
> > > > While there is some truly ridiculous anti-LLM brigading in some open
> > > > source projects, I feel like saying it is just another tool does not do
> > > > justice to some of the harm that is done by that industry. Also,
> > > > precisely because of the usefulness of LLMs, I worry about creating an
> > > > uneven playing field, where new contributors can't keep up if they can't
> > > > afford the needed tools (something that is not as much the case with
> > > > compilers.)
> > >
> > > So "fairness" is likely one of the numerous ethical concerns that can drive
> > > activist against LLM (in the sense of people actively avoiding it, boycotting
> > > for the real extreme one, but I want to include mild cases too) in contrast to
> > > luddite, that just don't accept the technology to provide any meaningful result.
> > > I'm personally interested in learning more about each and every ethical
> > > concerns, as this is needed to either fixi or mitigate the social issues this
> > > technology is creating.
> > >
> > > On this aspect specifically, Sashiko is provided equally to the Linux community.
> > > This is very unlike coding agent, which capabilities and performance are highly
> > > tailored to your capability to pay. In that sense, fairness is minimally
> > > mitigated. I say mitigated considering someone have to pay for the compute and
> > > because its currently running off proprietary owned models, also require paying
> > > for extra royalties (which is an interesting ethical discussion in itself I
> > > suppose). Smaller projects may not have that level of donation or budget.
> >
> > Or will to pay money to companies with dubious ethics (a strong
> > understatement).
>
> Though, let's accept to cut this sub-thread here,
Sure.
> since we got off the
> "technical merit", meaning we are off-topic now.
I haven't argued much, if at all, about the technical merit in this mail
thread though.
--
Regards,
Laurent Pinchart
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2026-05-30 8:30 ` Linking Patchwork with Sashiko? Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-30 15:57 ` Roman Gushchin
2026-05-30 18:00 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-30 18:49 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-05-30 18:53 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-06-02 15:51 ` Derek Barbosa
2026-06-02 16:51 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-06-02 18:39 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-06-02 20:29 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-06-02 20:13 ` Roman Gushchin
2026-06-02 20:39 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-06-02 20:44 ` Roman Gushchin
2026-06-02 23:50 ` Matthieu Baerts
2026-06-03 3:35 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-06-03 3:49 ` Roman Gushchin
2026-06-04 6:52 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-06-07 17:56 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-06-30 20:32 ` Derek Barbosa
2026-07-10 5:45 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-10 6:39 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-11 1:01 ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-13 7:55 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-13 9:41 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-13 20:04 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-14 22:55 ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-15 0:59 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 2:00 ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-15 3:06 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-07-15 12:21 ` Jori Koolstra
2026-07-15 16:50 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-15 18:13 ` Nicolas Dufresne
2026-07-15 19:12 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 19:27 ` Nicolas Dufresne
2026-07-15 20:03 ` Laurent Pinchart [this message]
2026-07-15 16:43 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 23:28 ` lyude
2026-07-15 7:59 ` Jacopo Mondi
2026-07-15 8:40 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-15 17:31 ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-15 12:38 ` Mark Brown
2026-07-15 16:28 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 21:08 ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-15 23:20 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-16 0:09 ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-15 3:54 ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-15 7:13 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2026-07-15 12:42 ` James Bottomley
2026-07-15 16:18 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 16:53 ` James Bottomley
2026-07-15 17:09 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 16:11 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 17:00 ` Jan Kara
2026-07-15 20:28 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 20:36 ` James Bottomley
2026-07-15 20:42 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-16 0:14 ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-15 23:32 ` Steven Rostedt
2026-07-16 0:03 ` Roman Gushchin
2026-07-15 17:14 ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-15 17:35 ` Miguel Ojeda
2026-07-15 17:41 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 18:18 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-07-15 18:51 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 19:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2026-07-15 20:13 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 16:28 ` Ihor Solodrai
2026-07-15 16:39 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 17:12 ` Ihor Solodrai
2026-07-15 17:35 ` Mark Brown
2026-07-15 18:39 ` Ihor Solodrai
2026-07-15 20:32 ` Mark Brown
2026-07-15 19:06 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 21:13 ` Theodore Tso
2026-07-16 3:00 ` Nicolas Dufresne
2026-07-15 17:41 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-07-15 19:10 ` Laurent Pinchart
2026-07-15 19:55 ` Mark Brown
2026-07-15 19:38 ` Dmitry Torokhov
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