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From: Ekansh Gupta <ekansh.gupta@oss.qualcomm.com>
To: Srinivas Kandagatla <srinivas.kandagatla@oss.qualcomm.com>,
	Bjorn Andersson <andersson@kernel.org>
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	"Krzysztof Kozlowski" <krzk@kernel.org>,
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	"Anandu Krishnan E" <anandu.e@oss.qualcomm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/15] accel/qda: Qualcomm DSP Accelerator driver
Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2026 15:03:28 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <33042b5b-28c9-4df6-9c97-8b389a3f1112@oss.qualcomm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c447c7ef-828c-4fda-8e82-6983a3d0eddc@oss.qualcomm.com>

On 09-09-2026 13:32, Srinivas Kandagatla wrote:
> On 9/9/26 8:53 AM, Ekansh Gupta wrote:
>>> This is the actual problem!
>>>
>>> We have existing user space that depends on the ioctl interface exposed
>>> by the current misc driver. You must not break these.
>>>
>>> Hardware cutoff is not a viable solution, because that's just a
>>> declaration that we'll let the old platforms rotten - or alternatively
>>> you commit to maintain two drivers to the very same feature and quality
>>> level.
>>>
>>> So the only reasonable solution is #2; from there it's a valid question
>>> if you reach that point my stepwise migrating the current misc driver
>>> that solution, or if you present a new driver with the fully backwards
>>> compatible interface, alongside the new ABI.
>>>
>>>
>>> But this does bring to a question which the cover letter should explain
>>> - but doesn't: what problem does this patch series actually solve?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Bjorn
>> Agreed. I'll target #2: QDA implementing the existing fastrpc UABI
>> alongside the new one, rather than a driver split by platform.
>>
>> On how to get there: the blocker we hit in v1 was that legacy fastrpc
>> buffer semantics appeared to need a drm_file, and there's no exported
>> way to construct one outside the DRM core. I want to re-examine that
>> constraint rather than treat it as final, since the legacy interface's
>> own buffer model (a dma_buf fd as the buffer identity, no GEM
>> involved) is not inherently tied to drm_file, that's how the existing
>> misc driver implements it today. I don't have a concrete design yet
>> and would rather work through it here than commit to one prematurely.
>> If anyone has thoughts on how the legacy UABI could be served without
>> requiring a drm_file per session or if I can somehow bind drm_file with
>> chardev by exposing some APIs from DRM core, I'd welcome them.
>>
>> On the cover letter: fair point, and I'll fix it. The problem this
>> series solves is that a miscdevice interface requires us to hand-roll
>> what the accel/DRM subsystem already provides as common
>> infrastructure: GEM for buffer lifecycle and reference counting,
>> PRIME for cross-driver import/export, per-file (per-open) context and
>> handle-namespace isolation, and the existing debug and lifecycle
>> tooling the DRM core already ships. Every accelerator driver added to
>> drivers/accel (habanalabs, ivpu, qaic, rocket) has taken this path for
>> the same reason, rather than each maintaining its own equivalent
>> inside drivers/misc. Building QDA directly on this shared
>> infrastructure, instead of extending fastrpc's own ad hoc buffer and
>> session tracking to cover the same ground, avoids that duplication
> Am sure you must have already tried this, but Can you not migrate
> existing fastrpc driver to this shared infrastructure under the hood?
> 
> Can you elaborate on what are the blockers you hit in doing so?
> 
> This will ensure that UAPI is retained and still get benefit of QDA.
> 

QDA's session model is built around drm_file, and fastrpc's chardev has
no drm_file associated with it. I'm still checking whether that
dependency is unavoidable for fastrpc's case, or whether there's a way
to use the underlying buffer-management infrastructure without it.

Please correct me if you are asking/suggesting a different approach?

> --srini
>> going forward.
> 


  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-09  9:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-17  4:47 [PATCH v2 00/15] accel/qda: Qualcomm DSP Accelerator driver Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-17  4:47 ` [PATCH v2 01/15] MAINTAINERS: Add entry for Qualcomm DSP Accelerator (QDA) driver Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-18 19:22   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-08-19 13:05     ` Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-19 14:16       ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-08-20  4:12         ` Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-17  4:47 ` [PATCH v2 02/15] accel/qda: Add QDA driver documentation Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-17  4:47 ` [PATCH v2 03/15] accel/qda: Add initial QDA DRM accelerator driver Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-18 19:10   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-08-19 13:17     ` Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-19 14:18       ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-08-20  8:52         ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-08-20  9:07           ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-08-20 10:07             ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-08-20 13:31               ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-08-31 14:58                 ` Ekansh Gupta
2026-09-08  7:45                   ` Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-17  4:47 ` [PATCH v2 04/15] accel/qda: Add compute bus for QDA context banks Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-17  4:47 ` [PATCH v2 05/15] iommu: Add QDA compute context bank bus to iommu_buses Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-17  7:01   ` Joerg Roedel (AMD)
2026-08-17 13:44   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-18  5:10     ` Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-18 13:07       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-08-20 13:17         ` Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-17  4:47 ` [PATCH v2 06/15] accel/qda: Create compute context bank devices on QDA compute bus Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-17  4:47 ` [PATCH v2 07/15] accel/qda: Add memory manager for CB devices Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-17  6:52   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-08-18  4:33     ` Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-18  4:44       ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-08-17  4:47 ` [PATCH v2 08/15] accel/qda: Add QUERY IOCTL and QDA UAPI header Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-17  6:58   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-08-18  4:40     ` Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-18  4:45       ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-08-17  4:47 ` [PATCH v2 09/15] accel/qda: Add DMA-backed GEM objects and memory manager integration Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-18  3:42   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-08-18  5:51     ` Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-18  3:48   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-08-18  5:52     ` Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-24 14:30   ` Christian König
2026-08-24 15:07     ` Rob Clark
2026-08-25 13:59       ` Christian König
2026-08-26 13:45       ` Ekansh Gupta
2026-09-08 23:00         ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-08-26 17:00   ` Markus Elfring
2026-08-17  4:47 ` [PATCH v2 10/15] accel/qda: Add GEM_CREATE and GEM_MMAP_OFFSET IOCTLs Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-18  3:49   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-08-18  5:54     ` Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-17  4:47 ` [PATCH v2 11/15] accel/qda: Add PRIME DMA-BUF import support Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-18  3:55   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-08-18  6:25     ` Ekansh Gupta
2026-09-08 23:05       ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-08-17  4:47 ` [PATCH v2 12/15] accel/qda: Add FastRPC invocation support Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-18  4:19   ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-08-20  8:35     ` Ekansh Gupta
2026-09-08 23:16       ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-08-17  4:47 ` [PATCH v2 13/15] accel/qda: Add DSP process creation and release Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-17  4:47 ` [PATCH v2 14/15] accel/qda: Add remote memory mapping to DSP address space Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-18 19:13 ` [PATCH v2 00/15] accel/qda: Qualcomm DSP Accelerator driver Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-08-18 19:21   ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-08-19 13:32     ` Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-19 14:19       ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-08-19 13:26   ` Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-19 14:21     ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-08-19 14:38       ` Rob Clark
2026-08-19 14:40         ` Konrad Dybcio
2026-08-19 14:43         ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-08-19 14:49           ` Rob Clark
2026-08-19 14:53             ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-08-19 15:23               ` Rob Clark
2026-08-19 15:27                 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-08-19 15:48                   ` Rob Clark
2026-08-20  6:15                     ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-08-20 14:47                       ` Rob Clark
2026-08-26 13:07                         ` Ekansh Gupta
2026-09-08 22:44                           ` Bjorn Andersson
2026-09-09  7:53                             ` Ekansh Gupta
2026-09-09  8:02                               ` Srinivas Kandagatla
2026-09-09  9:33                                 ` Ekansh Gupta [this message]
2026-09-09 11:48                             ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2026-09-10 14:25                               ` Bjorn Andersson
2026-09-10 14:35                                 ` Rob Clark
2026-09-11 10:32                               ` Ekansh Gupta
2026-08-18 19:18 ` Krzysztof Kozlowski
2026-08-19 13:23   ` Ekansh Gupta

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