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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>
Cc: "Christian König" <ckoenig.leichtzumerken@gmail.com>,
	"Christian König" <christian.koenig@amd.com>,
	"DRI Development" <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Intel Graphics Development" <intel-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"Thomas Zimmermann" <tzimmermann@suse.de>,
	"Suren Baghdasaryan" <surenb@google.com>,
	"Matthew Wilcox" <willy@infradead.org>,
	"John Stultz" <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
	"Daniel Vetter" <daniel.vetter@intel.com>,
	"Sumit Semwal" <sumit.semwal@linaro.org>,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org
Subject: Re: [Linaro-mm-sig] Re: [PATCH] dma-buf: Require VM_PFNMAP vma for mmap
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 11:04:26 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y342emkzKHXLQvsN@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKMK7uHWyOcZ77-+GY7hxFUA65uQYFe0fw2rww6Y-rLXvHFAYw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 03:28:27PM +0100, Daniel Vetter wrote:

> > This patch is known to be broken in so many ways. It also has a major
> > security hole that it ignores the PTE flags making the page
> > RO. Ignoring the special bit is somehow not surprising :(
> >
> > This probably doesn't work, but is the general idea of what KVM needs
> > to do:
> 
> Oh dear, when I dug around in there I entirely missed that
> kvm_try_get_pfn exists, and it's very broken indeed. kvm really needs
> to grow a proper mmu notifier.
> 
> Another thing I'm wondering right now, the follow_pte();
> fixup_user_fault(); follow_pte(); approach does not make any
> guarantees of actually being right. If you're sufficiently unlucky you
> might race against an immediate pte invalidate between the fixup and
> the 2nd follow_pte(). But you can also not loop, because that would
> fail to catch permanent faults.

Yes, it is pretty broken.

kvm already has support for mmu notifiers and uses it for other
stuff. I can't remember what exactly this code path was for, IIRC
Paolo talked about having a big rework/fix for it when we last talked
about the missing write protect. I also vauagely recall he had some
explanation why this might be safe.

> I think the iommu fault drivers have a similar pattern.

Where? It shouldn't

The common code for SVA just calls handle_mm_fault() and restarts the
PRI. Since the page table is physically shared there is no issue with
a stale copy.

> What am I missing here? Or is that also just broken. gup works around
> this with the slow path that takes the mmap sem and walking the vma
> tree, follow_pte/fixup_user_fautl users dont.

follow_pte() is just fundamentally broken, things must not use it.

> Maybe mmu notifier based restarting would help with this too, if
> done properly.

That is called hmm_range_fault()

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-23 15:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-11-22 17:08 [PATCH] dma-buf: Require VM_PFNMAP vma for mmap Daniel Vetter
2022-11-22 18:03 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-22 18:08   ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-22 18:50     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-22 19:29       ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-22 19:34         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-22 19:50           ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23  9:06             ` Christian König
2022-11-23  9:30               ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23  9:39                 ` [Linaro-mm-sig] " Christian König
2022-11-23 10:06                   ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23 12:46                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-23 12:49                       ` Christian König
2022-11-23 12:53                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-23 13:12                           ` Christian König
2022-11-23 13:28                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-23 14:28                               ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23 15:04                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2022-11-23 16:22                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23 14:34                               ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23 15:08                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-23 15:15                                   ` Christian König
2022-11-23 16:26                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2022-11-23 16:26                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2022-11-23  8:07 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2022-11-23  9:33   ` Daniel Vetter

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