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From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
To: Daniel Scally <djrscally@gmail.com>
Cc: Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@linux.intel.com>,
	linux-media@vger.kernel.org, libcamera-devel@lists.libcamera.org,
	hanlinchen@chromium.org, tfiga@chromium.org, hdegoede@redhat.com,
	kieran.bingham@ideasonboard.com, hpa@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] media: v4l2-async: Create links during v4l2_async_match_notify()
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 01:14:38 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Ybp23sKCVAINx8tm@pendragon.ideasonboard.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <88932b3f-a0ca-acdb-a3b7-0894c7fdfbc5@gmail.com>

Hi Dan,

On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 11:10:09PM +0000, Daniel Scally wrote:
> On 15/12/2021 09:55, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 11:44:29AM +0200, Sakari Ailus wrote:
> >> On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 11:04:44AM +0200, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> >>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 11:41:27PM +0000, Daniel Scally wrote:
> >>>> On 14/12/2021 23:01, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2021 at 10:36:01PM +0000, Daniel Scally wrote:
> >>>>>> On 14/12/2021 22:22, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 11:28:49PM +0000, Daniel Scally wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Upon an async fwnode match, there's some typical behaviour that the
> >>>>>>>> notifier and matching subdev will want to do. For example, a notifier
> >>>>>>>> representing a sensor matching to an async subdev representing its
> >>>>>>>> VCM will want to create an ancillary link to expose that relationship
> >>>>>>>> to userspace.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> To avoid lots of code in individual drivers, try to build these links
> >>>>>>>> within v4l2 core.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Daniel Scally <djrscally@gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> ---
> >>>>>>>> Changes since the rfc:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 	- None
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>  drivers/media/v4l2-core/v4l2-async.c | 51 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>>>>>  1 file changed, 51 insertions(+)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> diff --git a/drivers/media/v4l2-core/v4l2-async.c b/drivers/media/v4l2-core/v4l2-async.c
> >>>>>>>> index 0404267f1ae4..6575b1cbe95f 100644
> >>>>>>>> --- a/drivers/media/v4l2-core/v4l2-async.c
> >>>>>>>> +++ b/drivers/media/v4l2-core/v4l2-async.c
> >>>>>>>> @@ -275,6 +275,45 @@ v4l2_async_nf_try_complete(struct v4l2_async_notifier *notifier)
> >>>>>>>>  static int
> >>>>>>>>  v4l2_async_nf_try_all_subdevs(struct v4l2_async_notifier *notifier);
> >>>>>>>>  
> >>>>>>>> +static int
> >>>>>>>> +__v4l2_async_create_ancillary_link(struct v4l2_async_notifier *notifier,
> >>>>>>>> +				   struct v4l2_subdev *sd)
> >>>>>>>> +{
> >>>>>>>> +	struct media_link *link;
> >>>>>>>> +
> >>>>>>>> +	if (sd->entity.function != MEDIA_ENT_F_LENS &&
> >>>>>>>> +	    sd->entity.function != MEDIA_ENT_F_FLASH)
> >>>>>>>> +		return -EINVAL;
> >>>>>>>> +
> >>>>>>>> +	link = media_create_ancillary_link(&notifier->sd->entity, &sd->entity,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Is there a guarantee at this point that notifier->sd->entity has already
> >>>>>>> been registered with the media_device ? That's done by
> >>>>>>> media_device_register_entity() called from
> >>>>>>> v4l2_device_register_subdev().
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> v4l2_async_match_notify() calls v4l2_device_register_subdev() before the
> >>>>>> point that I've added the call to v4l2_async_try_create_links(), so I
> >>>>>> think that's covered there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It calls it on sd, not notifier->sd. It's the latter that concerns me.
> >>>>
> >>>> Ah, you're right of course...I guess in that case the notifier->sd would
> >>>> get registered during the v4l2_async_match_notify() where the sensor
> >>>> driver's subdev is sd, but I don't think there's any guarantee that that
> >>>> would happen first...I haven't traced it through but my guess is that it
> >>>> would depend on the order in which the ipu3-cio2, sensor and lens
> >>>> controller drivers probed. I'll check to try and be sure how it works
> >>>> tomorrow
> >>>
> >>> I was looking at media_device_register_entity(), and it sets
> >>>
> >>> 	INIT_LIST_HEAD(&entity->links);
> >>> 	entity->num_links = 0;
> >>> 	entity->num_backlinks = 0;
> >>>
> >>> If we create links before that, things may go bad.
> 
> Yep, that definitely looks like it would make things go badly wrong. I'm
> building with a delayed ov8865 probe now, let's see what happens...
> 
> >> Yes.
> >>
> >> There's a guarantee that the notifier's complete callback is called once
> >> the notifier's subdevs as well as sub-notifiers are bound and complete. But
> >> there's no guarantee on the initialisation of related entities.
> >>
> >> Especially for sensors, the async subdev is registered after the sensor's
> >> own async notifier.
> >>
> >> I wonder if the ugly registered callback could be used for this purpose.
> >> Better of course would be to avoid that.
> > 
> > I'd really like all these links to be created automatically by the code,
> > but given the very loosely defined rules regarding entity
> > initialization, I'm worried this may not be possible without quite a bit
> > of cleanup first :-(
> 
> Yeah. At present at least the primary entity would need to be linked to
> the media dev, as it's taking primary->graph_obj.mdev as the pointer to
> use in media_gobj_create() in media_create_ancillary_link(). That's a
> pretty big problem actually...but I'd really like to try and solve it as
> we could cut a lot of code out the other drivers if we do the same thing
> for the data links.
> 
> One way around it might be to defer matching in v4l2_async_find_match()
> if the notifier's subdev hasn't picked up an mdev itself yet...which
> could guarantee the ordering but sort of breaks the asynchronicity of it
> all. I'm almost certainly missing some other reason that that's a
> terrible idea too.

v4l2-async is a mess, that's the main reason why everybody is reluctant
to touch it :-) On my long todo list is a task to rewrite it from
scratch, with an API that wouldn't be V4L2-specific.

> I'll try and explore some ways to do this that still keeps the link
> setup within core - thanks for pointing it out Laurent
> 
> > It looks like quite a bit of the work done in
> > media_device_register_entity() could (and likely should) be moved to
> > media_entity_init(), but I'm not sure if that would be enough to
> > properly fix the issue.
> 
> I guess you mean media_entity_pads_init()? Or media_device_init()?

The former, sorry.

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart

  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-15 23:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 35+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-13 23:28 [PATCH 0/5] Introduce ancillary links Daniel Scally
2021-12-13 23:28 ` [PATCH 1/5] media: media.h: Add new media link type Daniel Scally
2021-12-14 21:50   ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-12-14 21:52     ` Daniel Scally
2021-12-13 23:28 ` [PATCH 2/5] media: entity: Add link_type() helper Daniel Scally
2021-12-14 21:54   ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-12-14 21:57     ` Daniel Scally
2021-12-13 23:28 ` [PATCH 3/5] media: entity: Skip non-data links in graph iteration Daniel Scally
2021-12-14 15:01   ` Sakari Ailus
2021-12-14 16:14     ` Daniel Scally
2021-12-14 21:22       ` Sakari Ailus
2021-12-14 21:37         ` Daniel Scally
2021-12-14 22:05     ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-12-13 23:28 ` [PATCH 4/5] media: entity: Add support for ancillary links Daniel Scally
2021-12-14  4:06   ` kernel test robot
2021-12-14 21:25   ` Sakari Ailus
2021-12-14 21:54     ` Daniel Scally
2021-12-14 22:14       ` Laurent Pinchart
2022-01-16 23:52         ` Daniel Scally
2021-12-13 23:28 ` [PATCH 5/5] media: v4l2-async: Create links during v4l2_async_match_notify() Daniel Scally
2021-12-14 22:22   ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-12-14 22:36     ` Daniel Scally
2021-12-14 23:01       ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-12-14 23:41         ` Daniel Scally
2021-12-15  9:04           ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-12-15  9:44             ` Sakari Ailus
2021-12-15  9:55               ` Laurent Pinchart
2021-12-15 23:10                 ` Daniel Scally
2021-12-15 23:14                   ` Laurent Pinchart [this message]
2022-01-16  0:01             ` Daniel Scally
2021-12-16 11:10   ` kernel test robot
2021-12-16 11:14     ` Daniel Scally
2021-12-15  9:25 ` [PATCH 0/5] Introduce ancillary links Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2021-12-15  9:36   ` Daniel Scally
2021-12-15  9:52   ` Laurent Pinchart

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