The Plan For Userland(tm)

The Plan For Userland(tm)

[Mike Shaver]

Here's my plan for getting the userland stuff to critical mass:
- kernel and glibc sync'd.  Shouldn't be too hard, once I get the new
kernel from Ralf.  (At the very least, I need the SOCK_{STREAM,DGRAM}
stuff sorted out, and I'd like to figure out a good strategy for
asm/atomic.h.)
- rpm built
- native gcc built as an rpm
- start building rpms natively, and installing them on a fresh
partition

I think the SCSI driver is dodgy (this may be a known problem), and I
need to get glibc installed on neon to ease the configuration issue,
but I think we're well on our way.

I'm _definitely_ going to need more disk space on neon, but I can
steal the ext2 one from bogomips in the short-term.

Oh, BTW:
[shaver@neon shaver]$ telnet bogomips
Trying 205.207.220.72...
Connected to bogomips.ingenia.com.
Escape character is '^]'.

Linux 2.0.12 (bogomips) (ttyp0)


bogomips login: root
Last login: Mon Jun  2 15:29:21 from neon
# ls
205.207.220.72       libexec              tmp
bin                  linux-2.0.12.tar.gz  usr
dev                  linux-2.1.36.tar.gz  var
etc                  proc                 vmlinux
home                 sbin
lib                  static-bin
# exit
Connection closed by foreign host.
[shaver@neon shaver]$ 

Mike

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Re: The Plan For Userland(tm)

[Ralf Baechle]

> Here's my plan for getting the userland stuff to critical mass:
> - kernel and glibc sync'd.  Shouldn't be too hard, once I get the new
> kernel from Ralf.

Sorry, it's taking a bit longer.  In the meantime I synced with .42;
still need to fix some more bugs.

>                   (At the very least, I need the SOCK_{STREAM,DGRAM}
> stuff sorted out, and I'd like to figure out a good strategy for
> asm/atomic.h.)

Whith what package again did you have the problems with atomic.h?

> - rpm built
> - native gcc built as an rpm
> - start building rpms natively, and installing them on a fresh
> partition
> 
> I think the SCSI driver is dodgy (this may be a known problem), and I
> need to get glibc installed on neon to ease the configuration issue,
> but I think we're well on our way.
> 
> I'm _definitely_ going to need more disk space on neon, but I can
> steal the ext2 one from bogomips in the short-term.

Yeah, and if there won't be xfs for linux I'd really like to see ext2
support for IRIX ...

> Oh, BTW:
> [shaver@neon shaver]$ telnet bogomips

ssh works also pretty good.  The only problem it has is that my X
pseudo port has still a "couple" of bugs.

  Ralf

Re: The Plan For Userland(tm)

[Ralf Baechle]

> Here's my plan for getting the userland stuff to critical mass:
> - kernel and glibc sync'd.  Shouldn't be too hard, once I get the new
> kernel from Ralf.

Sorry, it's taking a bit longer.  In the meantime I synced with .42;
still need to fix some more bugs.

>                   (At the very least, I need the SOCK_{STREAM,DGRAM}
> stuff sorted out, and I'd like to figure out a good strategy for
> asm/atomic.h.)

Whith what package again did you have the problems with atomic.h?

> - rpm built
> - native gcc built as an rpm
> - start building rpms natively, and installing them on a fresh
> partition
> 
> I think the SCSI driver is dodgy (this may be a known problem), and I
> need to get glibc installed on neon to ease the configuration issue,
> but I think we're well on our way.
> 
> I'm _definitely_ going to need more disk space on neon, but I can
> steal the ext2 one from bogomips in the short-term.

Yeah, and if there won't be xfs for linux I'd really like to see ext2
support for IRIX ...

> Oh, BTW:
> [shaver@neon shaver]$ telnet bogomips

ssh works also pretty good.  The only problem it has is that my X
pseudo port has still a "couple" of bugs.

  Ralf

Re: The Plan For Userland(tm)

[Alex deVries]

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On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Ralf Baechle wrote:
> > - rpm built

I'm almost there.  _almost_.

I need to link it with libz, which I just realized is really called zlib,
not the zlibc found on prep.ai.mit.edu.  Who knew?  I'm just getting
problmes now with glibc's crt1.o, which I know little or nothing about.

Ralph, can you give us (Mike or I) a copy of your SSH's?  We will in turn
keep you up to date with our userland binaries, and hopefully we can move
towards sharing RPMs, both source and binary. 

mips-linux-gcc, incidentally, is very impressive.

- - Alex


      Alex deVries           "Alex can cut a mean rug."
  System Administrator       - M. Dittberner <shabby@engsoc.carleton.ca>
   The EngSoc Project     


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Re: The Plan For Userland(tm)

[Alex deVries]

On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Alex deVries wrote:
> Ralph, can you give us (Mike or I) a copy of your SSH's?  We will in turn
    ^^^^

Ish.  I'm very, very sorry.  I meant 'Ralf'.

- Alex


      Alex deVries           "Alex can cut a mean rug."
  System Administrator       - M. Dittberner <shabby@engsoc.carleton.ca>
   The EngSoc Project     

Re: The Plan For Userland(tm)

[Ralf Baechle]

> I need to link it with libz, which I just realized is really called zlib,
> not the zlibc found on prep.ai.mit.edu.  Who knew?  I'm just getting
> problmes now with glibc's crt1.o, which I know little or nothing about.
> 
> Ralph, can you give us (Mike or I) a copy of your SSH's?  We will in turn

s/Ralph/Ralf/

> keep you up to date with our userland binaries, and hopefully we can move
> towards sharing RPMs, both source and binary. 

ssh is no big deal.  Builds out of the box.  You will just have to
tell it for which architecture you're building, ie:
./configure --prefix=/usr mips-linux

There is also a rpm source package for libz available, but for now you
can just use the libz.a and includes included with ssh.

> mips-linux-gcc, incidentally, is very impressive.

Just another GCC.

  Ralf

Re: The Plan For Userland(tm)

[Ralf Baechle]

> I need to link it with libz, which I just realized is really called zlib,
> not the zlibc found on prep.ai.mit.edu.  Who knew?  I'm just getting
> problmes now with glibc's crt1.o, which I know little or nothing about.
> 
> Ralph, can you give us (Mike or I) a copy of your SSH's?  We will in turn

s/Ralph/Ralf/

> keep you up to date with our userland binaries, and hopefully we can move
> towards sharing RPMs, both source and binary. 

ssh is no big deal.  Builds out of the box.  You will just have to
tell it for which architecture you're building, ie:
./configure --prefix=/usr mips-linux

There is also a rpm source package for libz available, but for now you
can just use the libz.a and includes included with ssh.

> mips-linux-gcc, incidentally, is very impressive.

Just another GCC.

  Ralf

Re: The Plan For Userland(tm)

[Liam Irish]

On Jun 3,  8:23pm, Ralf Baechle wrote:
> Subject: Re: The Plan For Userland(tm)
>
> Yeah, and if there won't be xfs for linux I'd really like to see ext2
> support for IRIX ...

>   Ralf
>-- End of excerpt from Ralf Baechle


I'd like to do that.  I've already been talking to some engineers about it.  I
was trying to determine if it already been done.  Guess not.  I think it'd be
easier to put ext2 on irix than xfs on linux, esp considering the other options
involved with xfs.  Would it be 32-bit xfs?

Anyway.  They both interface a VFS, so it should be _too_ bad.  Unfortunately,
I haven't seen to much documentation for VFS on irix.  Well, see if the Mtn
View engineers will help out in that regard.

-- 
Liam Irish
System Engineer					Tampa, FL
Silicon Graphics, Inc.				(813)281-4620
						irish@tampa.sgi.com

Re: The Plan For Userland(tm)

[Ralf Baechle]

> > Yeah, and if there won't be xfs for linux I'd really like to see ext2
> > support for IRIX ...
> 
> >   Ralf
> >-- End of excerpt from Ralf Baechle
> 
> 
> I'd like to do that.  I've already been talking to some engineers about it.  I
> was trying to determine if it already been done.  Guess not.  I think it'd be
> easier to put ext2 on irix than xfs on linux, esp considering the other options
> involved with xfs.  Would it be 32-bit xfs?
> 
> Anyway.  They both interface a VFS, so it should be _too_ bad.  Unfortunately,
> I haven't seen to much documentation for VFS on irix.  Well, see if the Mtn
> View engineers will help out in that regard.

The other fun thing is that right now David and some other people are
rewriting the Linux VFS which also has impact on the ext2 code.

  Ralf

Re: The Plan For Userland(tm)

[Ralf Baechle]

> > Yeah, and if there won't be xfs for linux I'd really like to see ext2
> > support for IRIX ...
> 
> >   Ralf
> >-- End of excerpt from Ralf Baechle
> 
> 
> I'd like to do that.  I've already been talking to some engineers about it.  I
> was trying to determine if it already been done.  Guess not.  I think it'd be
> easier to put ext2 on irix than xfs on linux, esp considering the other options
> involved with xfs.  Would it be 32-bit xfs?
> 
> Anyway.  They both interface a VFS, so it should be _too_ bad.  Unfortunately,
> I haven't seen to much documentation for VFS on irix.  Well, see if the Mtn
> View engineers will help out in that regard.

The other fun thing is that right now David and some other people are
rewriting the Linux VFS which also has impact on the ext2 code.

  Ralf

Re: The Plan For Userland(tm)

[Alex deVries]

On Tue, 3 Jun 1997, Ralf Baechle wrote:

> Sorry, it's taking a bit longer.  In the meantime I synced with .42;
> still need to fix some more bugs.

We're looking forward to it.

> Whith what package again did you have the problems with atomic.h?

procps complains loudly, and doesn't compile although there are other
issues with procps.

> > - rpm built

zlib, rpm 2.4.1 and gzip appear to work.

- Alex

Re: The Plan For Userland(tm)

[Ralf Baechle]

Mike,

btw, if you feel like it you could try if you can build Perl.  I also
don't yet have Pearl but many important packages depend of it.

  Ralf

Re: The Plan For Userland(tm)

[Ralf Baechle]

Mike,

btw, if you feel like it you could try if you can build Perl.  I also
don't yet have Pearl but many important packages depend of it.

  Ralf

Re: The Plan For Userland(tm)

[Mike Shaver]

Thus spake Ralf Baechle:
> btw, if you feel like it you could try if you can build Perl.  I also
> don't yet have Pearl but many important packages depend of it.

I'll trade you for bash and procps.

Mike

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#>                                                                     
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#>          these days." --- shields@tembel.org                        

Re: The Plan For Userland(tm)

[Mike Shaver]

Thus spake Ralf Baechle:
> btw, if you feel like it you could try if you can build Perl.  I also
> don't yet have Pearl but many important packages depend of it.

I'll trade you for bash and procps.

Mike

-- 
#> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation 
#>       Chief System Architect -- Head geek -- System exorcist        
#>                                                                     
#>   "Have you considered a life?  I hear they're quite affordable     
#>          these days." --- shields@tembel.org                        

Re: The Plan For Userland(tm)

[Ralf Baechle]

Hi,

> Thus spake Ralf Baechle:
> > btw, if you feel like it you could try if you can build Perl.  I also
> > don't yet have Pearl but many important packages depend of it.
> 
> I'll trade you for bash and procps.

With some patches procps builds like a snap.  Including the X toys :-)
Let me dig them out again.  What's the problem with bash?  I've build
Bash 1.x. (needs source changes) and 2.0 with no problems.

  Ralf

Re: The Plan For Userland(tm)

[Ralf Baechle]

Hi,

> Thus spake Ralf Baechle:
> > btw, if you feel like it you could try if you can build Perl.  I also
> > don't yet have Pearl but many important packages depend of it.
> 
> I'll trade you for bash and procps.

With some patches procps builds like a snap.  Including the X toys :-)
Let me dig them out again.  What's the problem with bash?  I've build
Bash 1.x. (needs source changes) and 2.0 with no problems.

  Ralf