* Fw: hello
@ 2002-03-19 22:55 David Christensen
2002-03-19 22:55 ` David Christensen
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From: David Christensen @ 2002-03-19 22:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-mips
linux-mips@oss.sgi.com:
Thank you all for your replies. :-)
Hartvig Ekner <hartvige@mips.com> wrote:
>> 2. What is the preferred host OS...
> We use Linux/x86 for kernel compiles,
Which Linux distribution does MIPS use? Since I'm going to be working
on an Atlas board using software from MIPS, I would like to match things
up exactly.
As an aside, is anybody using a VMware virtual machine for their
development host?
> and native compile for apps.
OK that sounds like a safe bet.
>> 3. What is the preferred toolchain...
> This is what we use for cross Kernel compiles (toolchain from oss):
>
> /home/hartvige> gcc -v
> Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-redhat-linux/2.96/specs
> gcc version 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2.96-85)
Hmmm. That looks like a native i386 compiler. I'm surprised its not
something like "mips-elf-gcc".
I'll assume the cross-compile toolchain was built per
http://oss.sgi.com/mips/mips-howto.html section 10.
>> 4. Is MIPS Linux self-hosted?
> Yes. Even without workstations, you could use MIPS or Algo development
> boards for self-hosted development (which is what we do - primarily
> Malta boards).
Good. :-)
>> 5. Can you do native development on MIPS Linux?
> Yes.
Good. :-)
>> 6. Does MIPS Linux support sound (oss or alsa) on any platform?
>> Does it support sound on MIPS Atlas?
> Yes. Plug in a Creative SB card, based on the Ensoniq chip and
> enable the es1371.c in the kernel compile. Works both LE & BE, and
> with apps like madplay (mp3) and mplayer (mpeg4).
Great! :-)
Florian Lohoff <flo@rfc822.org> wrote:
>> 1. Is there a reason why SourceForge isn't being used for the MIPS
>> Linux project?
> The Linux-mips project is much older than sourceforge and looking at
> the history of hyped venture capital companys does not really give a
> good feeling about using sourceforge. Personally spoken i dont like
> sourceforge - For most cases its just too bloated and working for ISPs
> its not a problem to get some public accesible ftp/web/cvs space.
OK I've used SourceForge as a software consumer and liked it. I just
received their approval for an GPL'd Perl utility I wrote ("dirdiff").
>> 4. Is MIPS Linux self-hosted?
> Definitly
Good. :-)
>> 5. Can you do native development on MIPS Linux?
> Yep - The Debian autobuilder run native on little and big endian.
Hmmm. Do you mean GNU autoconf running natively on MIPS, or something
running on a Debian x86 host, or something else?
>> 6. Does MIPS Linux support sound (oss or alsa) on any platform?
Does
>> it support sound on MIPS Atlas?
> Somme rumors about Indy/Indigo2 HAL support have been heard.
OK
> The problem with some sourceforge trees and the split up information
> is that like you already experienced is a real problem for Linux-mips
> as there is no "source of the only wisdom". I dont like that tree-
> forking etc. Either build your stuff clean - ready for inclusion -
> or just drop the tree under the table as a big bad ugly hack.
OK
Adrian Schroeter <adrian@suse.de> wrote:
>>> 6. Does MIPS Linux support sound (oss or alsa) on any platform?
>>> Does it support sound on MIPS Atlas?
>> Some rumors about Indy/Indigo2 HAL support have been heard.
> oss works for me here on Indy/Indigo2. The arts drivers seems to be
> too outdated atm.
OK
Leo Przybylski <leop@engr.arizona.edu> wrote:
> Well, all Linux/MIPS stuff on on oss.sgi.com is maintained largely by
> Ralf Baechle who is also contributor to numerous Linux/MIPS projects
> on sourceforge. As far as I know he is also a huge part of the
> sourceforge Linux/MIPS. You may have noticed that Bradley D. LaRonde
> is also a huge contributor.
>
> You have probably guessed that all the projects on sourceforge
> regarding linux mips are related by the maintainers and contributors.
> Most of the code is being contributed to sourceforge, oss.sgi.com,
> debian, redhat and so on. When everyone has their own toolchains,
> roots and kernels it's hard to keep them in their own repositories.
> oss.sgi.com has tried largely to do this though which is why it is a
> good place to start. The ftp site carries debian and redhat binaries,
> patches, etc... There's also the linux-mips kernel located in the
> oss.sgi.com CVS repository.
>
> As for why it is working to keep most of the resources in oss.sgi.com
> contrary to sourceforge, I don't really have an answer to that. Hope
> this helps.
Thanks for the background. Clearly, linux-mips has much history behind
it.
David
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2002-03-19 22:55 Fw: hello David Christensen
@ 2002-03-19 22:55 ` David Christensen
2002-03-20 6:39 ` Karsten Merker
` (2 subsequent siblings)
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From: David Christensen @ 2002-03-19 22:55 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-mips
linux-mips@oss.sgi.com:
Thank you all for your replies. :-)
Hartvig Ekner <hartvige@mips.com> wrote:
>> 2. What is the preferred host OS...
> We use Linux/x86 for kernel compiles,
Which Linux distribution does MIPS use? Since I'm going to be working
on an Atlas board using software from MIPS, I would like to match things
up exactly.
As an aside, is anybody using a VMware virtual machine for their
development host?
> and native compile for apps.
OK that sounds like a safe bet.
>> 3. What is the preferred toolchain...
> This is what we use for cross Kernel compiles (toolchain from oss):
>
> /home/hartvige> gcc -v
> Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-redhat-linux/2.96/specs
> gcc version 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2.96-85)
Hmmm. That looks like a native i386 compiler. I'm surprised its not
something like "mips-elf-gcc".
I'll assume the cross-compile toolchain was built per
http://oss.sgi.com/mips/mips-howto.html section 10.
>> 4. Is MIPS Linux self-hosted?
> Yes. Even without workstations, you could use MIPS or Algo development
> boards for self-hosted development (which is what we do - primarily
> Malta boards).
Good. :-)
>> 5. Can you do native development on MIPS Linux?
> Yes.
Good. :-)
>> 6. Does MIPS Linux support sound (oss or alsa) on any platform?
>> Does it support sound on MIPS Atlas?
> Yes. Plug in a Creative SB card, based on the Ensoniq chip and
> enable the es1371.c in the kernel compile. Works both LE & BE, and
> with apps like madplay (mp3) and mplayer (mpeg4).
Great! :-)
Florian Lohoff <flo@rfc822.org> wrote:
>> 1. Is there a reason why SourceForge isn't being used for the MIPS
>> Linux project?
> The Linux-mips project is much older than sourceforge and looking at
> the history of hyped venture capital companys does not really give a
> good feeling about using sourceforge. Personally spoken i dont like
> sourceforge - For most cases its just too bloated and working for ISPs
> its not a problem to get some public accesible ftp/web/cvs space.
OK I've used SourceForge as a software consumer and liked it. I just
received their approval for an GPL'd Perl utility I wrote ("dirdiff").
>> 4. Is MIPS Linux self-hosted?
> Definitly
Good. :-)
>> 5. Can you do native development on MIPS Linux?
> Yep - The Debian autobuilder run native on little and big endian.
Hmmm. Do you mean GNU autoconf running natively on MIPS, or something
running on a Debian x86 host, or something else?
>> 6. Does MIPS Linux support sound (oss or alsa) on any platform?
Does
>> it support sound on MIPS Atlas?
> Somme rumors about Indy/Indigo2 HAL support have been heard.
OK
> The problem with some sourceforge trees and the split up information
> is that like you already experienced is a real problem for Linux-mips
> as there is no "source of the only wisdom". I dont like that tree-
> forking etc. Either build your stuff clean - ready for inclusion -
> or just drop the tree under the table as a big bad ugly hack.
OK
Adrian Schroeter <adrian@suse.de> wrote:
>>> 6. Does MIPS Linux support sound (oss or alsa) on any platform?
>>> Does it support sound on MIPS Atlas?
>> Some rumors about Indy/Indigo2 HAL support have been heard.
> oss works for me here on Indy/Indigo2. The arts drivers seems to be
> too outdated atm.
OK
Leo Przybylski <leop@engr.arizona.edu> wrote:
> Well, all Linux/MIPS stuff on on oss.sgi.com is maintained largely by
> Ralf Baechle who is also contributor to numerous Linux/MIPS projects
> on sourceforge. As far as I know he is also a huge part of the
> sourceforge Linux/MIPS. You may have noticed that Bradley D. LaRonde
> is also a huge contributor.
>
> You have probably guessed that all the projects on sourceforge
> regarding linux mips are related by the maintainers and contributors.
> Most of the code is being contributed to sourceforge, oss.sgi.com,
> debian, redhat and so on. When everyone has their own toolchains,
> roots and kernels it's hard to keep them in their own repositories.
> oss.sgi.com has tried largely to do this though which is why it is a
> good place to start. The ftp site carries debian and redhat binaries,
> patches, etc... There's also the linux-mips kernel located in the
> oss.sgi.com CVS repository.
>
> As for why it is working to keep most of the resources in oss.sgi.com
> contrary to sourceforge, I don't really have an answer to that. Hope
> this helps.
Thanks for the background. Clearly, linux-mips has much history behind
it.
David
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread* Re: Fw: hello
2002-03-19 22:55 Fw: hello David Christensen
2002-03-19 22:55 ` David Christensen
@ 2002-03-20 6:39 ` Karsten Merker
2002-03-20 8:59 ` Hartvig Ekner
2002-03-20 17:38 ` Ralf Baechle
3 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Karsten Merker @ 2002-03-20 6:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David Christensen; +Cc: linux-mips
On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 02:55:22PM -0800, David Christensen wrote:
> Which Linux distribution does MIPS use? Since I'm going to be working
> on an Atlas board using software from MIPS, I would like to match things
> up exactly.
Several different - there is a Debian port (big and little endian),
H.J. Lu's RedHat mini-port (big endian AFAIK), Karel van Houten's
RedHat-based rootfs (little endian), Keith M. Wesolwski's Simple
Linux (big-endian). I think the most complete of all is Debian.
> As an aside, is anybody using a VMware virtual machine for their
> development host?
Why should we? VMware emulates i386 on i386, so it would be of no
help for mips development.
> >> 3. What is the preferred toolchain...
I always build natively:
gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease)
GNU ld version 2.11.93.0.2 20020207 Debian/GNU Linux
> > Yep - The Debian autobuilder run native on little and big endian.
>
> Hmmm. Do you mean GNU autoconf running natively on MIPS, or something
> running on a Debian x86 host, or something else?
The autobuilder is a system that checks for new Debian packages which
are not yet built for mips/mipsel and automatically builds and uploads
them into the Debian archive. It runs natively (in our case on a
Lasat Masquerade Pro for little endian and on an SGI Indigo2 for big
endian).
Regards,
Karsten
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* Re: Fw: hello
2002-03-19 22:55 Fw: hello David Christensen
2002-03-19 22:55 ` David Christensen
2002-03-20 6:39 ` Karsten Merker
@ 2002-03-20 8:59 ` Hartvig Ekner
2002-03-20 8:59 ` Hartvig Ekner
2002-03-20 17:38 ` Ralf Baechle
3 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Hartvig Ekner @ 2002-03-20 8:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David Christensen; +Cc: linux-mips
Hi David,
David Christensen writes:
>
> linux-mips@oss.sgi.com:
>
> Thank you all for your replies. :-)
>
>
> Hartvig Ekner <hartvige@mips.com> wrote:
> >> 2. What is the preferred host OS...
> > We use Linux/x86 for kernel compiles,
>
> Which Linux distribution does MIPS use? Since I'm going to be working
> on an Atlas board using software from MIPS, I would like to match things
> up exactly.
Internally for development we use H.J's RedHat 7.1/MIPS miniport.
Ready-to-go kernel images and installation instructions (via NFS or
CDROM) for Atlas and Malta boards can be found on ftp.mips.com.
> As an aside, is anybody using a VMware virtual machine for their
> development host?
>
> > and native compile for apps.
>
> OK that sounds like a safe bet.
>
> >> 3. What is the preferred toolchain...
> > This is what we use for cross Kernel compiles (toolchain from oss):
> >
> > /home/hartvige> gcc -v
> > Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-redhat-linux/2.96/specs
> > gcc version 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2.96-85)
>
> Hmmm. That looks like a native i386 compiler. I'm surprised its not
> something like "mips-elf-gcc".
Sorry - I ran the command in the wrong window :-)
For kernel cross compilation we use the following binary RPM's (LE shown only):
binutils-mipsel-linux-2.9.5-3
egcs-mipsel-linux-1.1.2-4
They can be found on:
ftp://oss.sgi.com/pub/linux/mips/crossdev/i386-linux/mipsel-linux/
> I'll assume the cross-compile toolchain was built per
> http://oss.sgi.com/mips/mips-howto.html section 10.
>
> >> 4. Is MIPS Linux self-hosted?
> > Yes. Even without workstations, you could use MIPS or Algo development
> > boards for self-hosted development (which is what we do - primarily
> > Malta boards).
>
> Good. :-)
>
> >> 5. Can you do native development on MIPS Linux?
> > Yes.
>
> Good. :-)
>
> >> 6. Does MIPS Linux support sound (oss or alsa) on any platform?
> >> Does it support sound on MIPS Atlas?
> > Yes. Plug in a Creative SB card, based on the Ensoniq chip and
> > enable the es1371.c in the kernel compile. Works both LE & BE, and
> > with apps like madplay (mp3) and mplayer (mpeg4).
>
> Great! :-)
>
>
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* Re: Fw: hello
2002-03-20 8:59 ` Hartvig Ekner
@ 2002-03-20 8:59 ` Hartvig Ekner
0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Hartvig Ekner @ 2002-03-20 8:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David Christensen; +Cc: linux-mips
Hi David,
David Christensen writes:
>
> linux-mips@oss.sgi.com:
>
> Thank you all for your replies. :-)
>
>
> Hartvig Ekner <hartvige@mips.com> wrote:
> >> 2. What is the preferred host OS...
> > We use Linux/x86 for kernel compiles,
>
> Which Linux distribution does MIPS use? Since I'm going to be working
> on an Atlas board using software from MIPS, I would like to match things
> up exactly.
Internally for development we use H.J's RedHat 7.1/MIPS miniport.
Ready-to-go kernel images and installation instructions (via NFS or
CDROM) for Atlas and Malta boards can be found on ftp.mips.com.
> As an aside, is anybody using a VMware virtual machine for their
> development host?
>
> > and native compile for apps.
>
> OK that sounds like a safe bet.
>
> >> 3. What is the preferred toolchain...
> > This is what we use for cross Kernel compiles (toolchain from oss):
> >
> > /home/hartvige> gcc -v
> > Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-redhat-linux/2.96/specs
> > gcc version 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2.96-85)
>
> Hmmm. That looks like a native i386 compiler. I'm surprised its not
> something like "mips-elf-gcc".
Sorry - I ran the command in the wrong window :-)
For kernel cross compilation we use the following binary RPM's (LE shown only):
binutils-mipsel-linux-2.9.5-3
egcs-mipsel-linux-1.1.2-4
They can be found on:
ftp://oss.sgi.com/pub/linux/mips/crossdev/i386-linux/mipsel-linux/
> I'll assume the cross-compile toolchain was built per
> http://oss.sgi.com/mips/mips-howto.html section 10.
>
> >> 4. Is MIPS Linux self-hosted?
> > Yes. Even without workstations, you could use MIPS or Algo development
> > boards for self-hosted development (which is what we do - primarily
> > Malta boards).
>
> Good. :-)
>
> >> 5. Can you do native development on MIPS Linux?
> > Yes.
>
> Good. :-)
>
> >> 6. Does MIPS Linux support sound (oss or alsa) on any platform?
> >> Does it support sound on MIPS Atlas?
> > Yes. Plug in a Creative SB card, based on the Ensoniq chip and
> > enable the es1371.c in the kernel compile. Works both LE & BE, and
> > with apps like madplay (mp3) and mplayer (mpeg4).
>
> Great! :-)
>
>
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* Re: Fw: hello
2002-03-19 22:55 Fw: hello David Christensen
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2002-03-20 8:59 ` Hartvig Ekner
@ 2002-03-20 17:38 ` Ralf Baechle
3 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Ralf Baechle @ 2002-03-20 17:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David Christensen; +Cc: linux-mips
On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 02:55:22PM -0800, David Christensen wrote:
> As an aside, is anybody using a VMware virtual machine for their
> development host?
While it can be done there is not much point in doing so unless you hate
performance ;)
> > and native compile for apps.
>
> OK that sounds like a safe bet.
Which is the primary reason for native compiles.
> >> 3. What is the preferred toolchain...
> > This is what we use for cross Kernel compiles (toolchain from oss):
> >
> > /home/hartvige> gcc -v
> > Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-redhat-linux/2.96/specs
> > gcc version 2.96 20000731 (Red Hat Linux 7.1 2.96-85)
>
> Hmmm. That looks like a native i386 compiler. I'm surprised its not
> something like "mips-elf-gcc".
Yes, that's his native compiler. mips-elf-gcc however should not be used,
there are subtle differences between the various ELF/MIPS targets that
would turn your life into hell ...
> I'll assume the cross-compile toolchain was built per
> http://oss.sgi.com/mips/mips-howto.html section 10.
That's roughly the procedure, though the procedure described is not 100%
suitable for the recommended compiler version. So I recommend downloading
the binary rpms.
>
> Leo Przybylski <leop@engr.arizona.edu> wrote:
> > Well, all Linux/MIPS stuff on on oss.sgi.com is maintained largely by
> > Ralf Baechle who is also contributor to numerous Linux/MIPS projects
> > on sourceforge. As far as I know he is also a huge part of the
> > sourceforge Linux/MIPS. You may have noticed that Bradley D. LaRonde
> > is also a huge contributor.
No. I don't touch or follow the Sourceforge project at all.
Ralf
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