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From: Johannes Stezenbach <js@convergence.de>
To: "Maciej W. Rozycki" <macro@ds2.pg.gda.pl>
Cc: "Kevin D. Kissell" <kevink@mips.com>, linux-mips@linux-mips.org
Subject: Re: Once again: test_and_set for CPUs w/o LL/SC
Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:52:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20021016125233.GA25227@convergence.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.96.1021016140828.14774I-100000@delta.ds2.pg.gda.pl>

On Wed, Oct 16, 2002 at 02:20:42PM +0200, Maciej W. Rozycki wrote:
> 
>  It also introduces an indirect call (jump?) overhead.  Anyway, you don't
> need to sacrifice anything.  We may simply assume the universally
> compatible way is the R3k one (be it sysmips() or whatever, if it gets
> replaced).  Then there is the branch-likely way, which requires
> branch-likely support (thus excludes R3k-class processors).  Then there is
> the ll/sc way, which requires ll/sc (thus excludes R3k-class processors
> and ones that lack the ll/sc instructions).  And you select the minimum
> set of features required at the build time. 

sysmips is history with current glibc since the Linux kernel emulates
LL/SC for CPUs that don't have it. This emulation is actually faster than
sysmips. (You'd think it's slower because it's one syscall vs. two
emulated instructions. But with LL/SC glibc can use test-and-set
which enables a more efficient linux-threads mutex implementation.)

AFAIK, current Linux distributions based on glibc-2.2.5 were built for
R3K be default and thus used sysmips even on platforms which have
LL/SC.

> > But all that is of interest only, if VR41XX-like platforms
> > would use a glibc from a binary distribution like RedHat or
> > Debian (I use Debian for development, but have a custom
> > compiled glibc for production use).
> 
>  I wouldn't care of distributions -- if one really needs optimized
> binaries it may make them be build somehow (either by doing the task
> oneself or by convincing someone else).

OK, that simplifies the issue. I will prepare a patches for
Linux and glibc.


Regards,
Johannes

  reply	other threads:[~2002-10-16 12:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2002-09-16 16:40 Once again: test_and_set for CPUs w/o LL/SC Johannes Stezenbach
2002-10-07 14:47 ` Johannes Stezenbach
2002-10-07 16:21   ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-10-07 16:21     ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-10-07 18:43     ` Johannes Stezenbach
2002-10-07 18:51       ` Daniel Jacobowitz
2002-10-15 17:52         ` Johannes Stezenbach
2002-10-08  7:38       ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-10-08  7:38         ` Kevin D. Kissell
2002-10-15 15:36       ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-10-15 17:21         ` Johannes Stezenbach
2002-10-16 12:20           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-10-16 12:52             ` Johannes Stezenbach [this message]
2002-10-16 16:30               ` Johannes Stezenbach
2002-10-17  9:47                 ` Gleb O. Raiko
2002-10-17 12:02                   ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-10-17 13:11                     ` Johannes Stezenbach
2002-10-17 13:32                       ` Gleb O. Raiko
2002-10-17 14:13                         ` Johannes Stezenbach
2002-10-16 18:11         ` Johannes Stezenbach
2002-10-16 18:23           ` Johannes Stezenbach
2002-10-17 11:57           ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-10-17 13:25             ` Johannes Stezenbach
2002-10-15 15:17     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2002-10-15 16:50       ` Johannes Stezenbach

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