(Fwd) Re: SGI machine

(Fwd) Re: SGI machine

[Christopher W. Carlson]

Just thought I'd pass on the response that I received from Richard
Stallman.



--- Forwarded mail from Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu>

Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 15:17:06 -0400
From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu>
To: carlson
Subject: Re: SGI machine

We now have free systems running on all our machines, so we could not
accept a machine that runs a non-free system like IRIX.

Once you have a GNU/Linux system running, that problem would be
solved.  But usable machines have become pretty cheap--we could buy a
686 for the cost of paying a programmer for 2 weeks--and we have more
than enough machines now for the people we have.  What we mainly need
nowadays is money to pay programmers.

Is there any chance you could convince some part of SGI to make a
donation?  Or at least buy a Deluxe Distribution?

We can hire a programmer for a year for just $35000 or so.


---End of forwarded mail from Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu>

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		Chris Carlson

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Re: (Fwd) Re: SGI machine

[Martin Knoblauch]

Christopher W. Carlson wrote:
> 
> Just thought I'd pass on the response that I received from
> Richard Stallman.
> 
> --- Forwarded mail from Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu>
> 
> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 15:17:06 -0400
> From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu>
> To: carlson
> Subject: Re: SGI machine
> 
> We now have free systems running on all our machines, so we
> could not accept a machine that runs a non-free system like IRIX.
>

 So, does this mean they are no longer interested in supporting
GNU stuff on non-free systems?
 
> Once you have a GNU/Linux system running, that problem would be
> solved.  But usable machines have become pretty cheap--we could buy a
> 686 for the cost of paying a programmer for 2 weeks--and we have more
> than enough machines now for the people we have.  What we mainly need
> nowadays is money to pay programmers.
> 
> Is there any chance you could convince some part of SGI to make a
> donation?  Or at least buy a Deluxe Distribution?
> 
> We can hire a programmer for a year for just $35000 or so.
> 

  Besides our GNU effort, any chance that we can get someone
to donate a considerable amount of money to the FSF? Just
to make a point that we are not against free software.

Martin
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(Fwd) Re: SGI machine

[Christopher W. Carlson]

Another note from Richard Stallman in response to a comment I made about
how we are talking about getting SGI to provide *some* of our accelleration
source.



--- Forwarded mail from Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu>

Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 21:58:42 -0400
From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu>
To: carlson
Subject: Re: SGI machine

SGI releasing some free software would set a good example.  We might
want to write about it in the GNU's Bulletin or otherwise publicize
it.

If there is anything I can do to encourage matters, or solve any problems,
or clear up any possible misunderstandings, please let me know.


Meanwhile, I hope you'll encourage various people there to take a look
at http://www.gnu.ai.mit.edu/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html.


---End of forwarded mail from Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu>

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		Chris Carlson

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	| human brain and a bowl of quivering lime Jell-O have |
	| the same waves.  [Time Magazine, Mar 17, 1997]       |
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Re: SGI machine

[Christopher W. Carlson]

On Jun 18,  9:33am, Martin Knoblauch wrote:
> > --- Forwarded mail from Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu>
> >
> > Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 15:17:06 -0400
> > From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu>
> > To: carlson
> > Subject: Re: SGI machine
> >
> > We now have free systems running on all our machines, so we
> > could not accept a machine that runs a non-free system like IRIX.
> >
>
>  So, does this mean they are no longer interested in supporting
> GNU stuff on non-free systems?
>
>-- End of excerpt from Martin Knoblauch


Yes, that's what I think it means.

Bottom line is that it is up to us (SGI) to provide the support for
IRIX.  There are various people throughout SGI who do testing and
debugging on our systems and feed them back to FSF.  For example, I'm
on the Emacs pretest list.  I usually get early releases of Emacs and
test it on various boxes before it is released.

-- 

		Chris Carlson

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	| Trivia fact: an electroencephalogram shows that a    |
	| human brain and a bowl of quivering lime Jell-O have |
	| the same waves.  [Time Magazine, Mar 17, 1997]       |
	+------------------------------------------------------+

Re: (Fwd) Re: SGI machine

[Ariel Faigon]

:
:Christopher W. Carlson wrote:
:> 
:> Just thought I'd pass on the response that I received from
:> Richard Stallman.
:> 
:> --- Forwarded mail from Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu>
:> 
:> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 15:17:06 -0400
:> From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu>
:> To: carlson
:> Subject: Re: SGI machine
:> 
:> We now have free systems running on all our machines, so we
:> could not accept a machine that runs a non-free system like IRIX.
:>
:
: So, does this mean they are no longer interested in supporting
:GNU stuff on non-free systems?
: 

Hi Linuxies,

As much as I admire rms, his amazing life achievements,
and the free software movement he created, let's not accept it
"as is" when he talks in his strong opinionated style in the
name of others.  I happen to know two major FSF contributors
that would love to get SGI hardware and make GNU stuff work
on IRIX _or_ Linux.   Please keep emailing me leads :-)

-- 
Peace, Ariel

Re: (Fwd) Re: SGI machine

[Ariel Faigon]

:
:Christopher W. Carlson wrote:
:> 
:> Just thought I'd pass on the response that I received from
:> Richard Stallman.
:> 
:> --- Forwarded mail from Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu>
:> 
:> Date: Tue, 17 Jun 1997 15:17:06 -0400
:> From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.ai.mit.edu>
:> To: carlson
:> Subject: Re: SGI machine
:> 
:> We now have free systems running on all our machines, so we
:> could not accept a machine that runs a non-free system like IRIX.
:>
:
: So, does this mean they are no longer interested in supporting
:GNU stuff on non-free systems?
: 

Hi Linuxies,

As much as I admire rms, his amazing life achievements,
and the free software movement he created, let's not accept it
"as is" when he talks in his strong opinionated style in the
name of others.  I happen to know two major FSF contributors
that would love to get SGI hardware and make GNU stuff work
on IRIX _or_ Linux.   Please keep emailing me leads :-)

-- 
Peace, Ariel