Pointers on how to get started

Pointers on how to get started

[Emmanuel Mogenet]

Hi,

I have this 2gig drive sitting on my desk next to my Indy and
doing nothing, so I figured I should try to install sgi-linux,
see if the thing boots, and maybe put togehter a few RPM's
on my own

Unfortunately, at this point in the project, the "How to get
started" part is kind of not written anywhere.

I think if someone could whip together a quick 5 steps to booting an
Indy under Linux and post them on http://www.linux.sgi.com, it'd
be great, especially for people like me who are more the userland type.

I have access to a i586-SCSI Linux system on the same network as
my Indy, so I guess it should make things easier (booting diskless
and/or making an efs filesystem on my SCSI disk on the PC)

Thanks,

	- Mgix (Hi ariel, I'm still around :) )

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Emmanuel Mogenet <mgix@nothingreal.com>                       PGP Key on
Request

Re: Pointers on how to get started

[Ariel Faigon]

Mgix,

Glad to see you're still with us in a way!

How to get started:

Yes, this is *the* most important missing piece on www.linux.sgi.com
It should be the first item in the 'HOWTO' section.

I believe we used to have at least two volunteers to write this
a few weeks ago.  I hope they are listening, (no names :-)

If anyone else who has Linux running today would like to write this,
please do.  Make sure you make it short, accurate, reproducible
and as simple as possible.

If you need shell access to administer the linus web site from where
Miguel and I left it, just let me know and I'll give it to you
(you'll need ssh and email me your public key generated
with ssh-keygen)


:
:Hi,
:
:I have this 2gig drive sitting on my desk next to my Indy and
:doing nothing, so I figured I should try to install sgi-linux,
:see if the thing boots, and maybe put togehter a few RPM's
:on my own
:
:Unfortunately, at this point in the project, the "How to get
:started" part is kind of not written anywhere.
:
:I think if someone could whip together a quick 5 steps to booting an
:Indy under Linux and post them on http://www.linux.sgi.com, it'd
:be great, especially for people like me who are more the userland type.
:
:I have access to a i586-SCSI Linux system on the same network as
:my Indy, so I guess it should make things easier (booting diskless
:and/or making an efs filesystem on my SCSI disk on the PC)
:
:Thanks,
:
:	- Mgix (Hi ariel, I'm still around :) )
:


-- 
Peace, Ariel

Re: Pointers on how to get started

[Ariel Faigon]

Mgix,

Glad to see you're still with us in a way!

How to get started:

Yes, this is *the* most important missing piece on www.linux.sgi.com
It should be the first item in the 'HOWTO' section.

I believe we used to have at least two volunteers to write this
a few weeks ago.  I hope they are listening, (no names :-)

If anyone else who has Linux running today would like to write this,
please do.  Make sure you make it short, accurate, reproducible
and as simple as possible.

If you need shell access to administer the linus web site from where
Miguel and I left it, just let me know and I'll give it to you
(you'll need ssh and email me your public key generated
with ssh-keygen)


:
:Hi,
:
:I have this 2gig drive sitting on my desk next to my Indy and
:doing nothing, so I figured I should try to install sgi-linux,
:see if the thing boots, and maybe put togehter a few RPM's
:on my own
:
:Unfortunately, at this point in the project, the "How to get
:started" part is kind of not written anywhere.
:
:I think if someone could whip together a quick 5 steps to booting an
:Indy under Linux and post them on http://www.linux.sgi.com, it'd
:be great, especially for people like me who are more the userland type.
:
:I have access to a i586-SCSI Linux system on the same network as
:my Indy, so I guess it should make things easier (booting diskless
:and/or making an efs filesystem on my SCSI disk on the PC)
:
:Thanks,
:
:	- Mgix (Hi ariel, I'm still around :) )
:


-- 
Peace, Ariel

Re: Pointers on how to get started

[Alex deVries]

On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, Emmanuel Mogenet wrote:

> Unfortunately, at this point in the project, the "How to get
> started" part is kind of not written anywhere.

I had said that I would write this, and I will. It will be written from
the stance of a relative newbie.

As it stands, I have some ideas on how to do this.  What I'm missing is
the actual hardware to do it on.  As I get my system booting, I will
document every step.

The *REAL* fun for me starts when my Indy arrives, hopefully next week.
Thanks, Ariel!

> I have access to a i586-SCSI Linux system on the same network as
> my Indy, so I guess it should make things easier (booting diskless
> and/or making an efs filesystem on my SCSI disk on the PC)

Yes, it will help.

How are things on the native booting front?

I had mailed Erik Troan a couple of days ago w.r.t. getting the RH install
code for Alan and myself, but I haven't heard anything yet.

- Alex

Re: Pointers on how to get started

[Mike Shaver]

Thus spake Alex deVries:
> How are things on the native booting front?

I can boot bogomips off of local disk, but I'm seeing some wierdness
with users and groups that I can't explain (via NFS and ext2).  I'd
like to get strace working so I can debug it more.

There are also some moderately serious VFS bugs in 2.1.4[35] that are
blocking some stuff right now.  (Can't boot diskless with .45, for
example.)

Mike

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Re: Pointers on how to get started

[Mike Shaver]

Thus spake Alex deVries:
> How are things on the native booting front?

I can boot bogomips off of local disk, but I'm seeing some wierdness
with users and groups that I can't explain (via NFS and ext2).  I'd
like to get strace working so I can debug it more.

There are also some moderately serious VFS bugs in 2.1.4[35] that are
blocking some stuff right now.  (Can't boot diskless with .45, for
example.)

Mike

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#> Chief Tactical and Strategic Officer         "Saepe fidelis"        
#>                                                                     
#> "I like your game, but we have to change the rules." -- Anon        
#>                                                                     

Re: Pointers on how to get started

[Alex deVries]

On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, Mike Shaver wrote:
> Thus spake Alex deVries:
> > How are things on the native booting front?
> 
> I can boot bogomips off of local disk, but I'm seeing some wierdness
> with users and groups that I can't explain (via NFS and ext2).  I'd
> like to get strace working so I can debug it more.

Further questions:

1. What's a good kernel to use for this, and can someone tell me where I
can find a pre-compiled version of it? I suspect until the problems on
2.1.45 are fixed, newbies should be using something older.

2. Could someone either produce an RPM for an xcompiling gcc host=i386
target=mips-linux, or send me a tarball?  I'd be happy to make it into an
RPM.  Same goes for binutils.

3. Exactly what hardware will this run on?  All I've heard thus far is
work on SGI Indy's.  Has there been any expereience on anything else?  I
know Ralf has run Linux on a lot of different MIPS machines, but for the
sake of SGI Linux I think we should restrict ourselves to SGI only
hardware.

4. Can someone tell me about how to configure an Indy to boot via bootp? I
don't yet have access to manuals.

- Alex

Re: Pointers on how to get started

[Mike Shaver]

Thus spake Alex deVries:
> 1. What's a good kernel to use for this, and can someone tell me where I
> can find a pre-compiled version of it? I suspect until the problems on
> 2.1.45 are fixed, newbies should be using something older.

I use a slightly-out-of-date version of 2.1.43 from the CVS tree.

> 2. Could someone either produce an RPM for an xcompiling gcc host=i386
> target=mips-linux, or send me a tarball?  I'd be happy to make it into an
> RPM.  Same goes for binutils.

Grab the stuff off of neon or linus from the crossdev directory.

> 3. Exactly what hardware will this run on?  All I've heard thus far is
> work on SGI Indy's.

I think that's it.  Whatever Ariel ships you should work, though.

> 4. Can someone tell me about how to configure an Indy to boot via bootp? I
> don't yet have access to manuals.

Configure your bootp server (see the config on neon for details)
correctly, and then:
Hit ESC for maintenance (heh)
5 for boot prompt.

boot -f bootp()blahblah

("blahblah" can be any string...it figures everything out from the
bootp server)

Mike

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Re: Pointers on how to get started

[Mike Shaver]

Thus spake Alex deVries:
> 1. What's a good kernel to use for this, and can someone tell me where I
> can find a pre-compiled version of it? I suspect until the problems on
> 2.1.45 are fixed, newbies should be using something older.

I use a slightly-out-of-date version of 2.1.43 from the CVS tree.

> 2. Could someone either produce an RPM for an xcompiling gcc host=i386
> target=mips-linux, or send me a tarball?  I'd be happy to make it into an
> RPM.  Same goes for binutils.

Grab the stuff off of neon or linus from the crossdev directory.

> 3. Exactly what hardware will this run on?  All I've heard thus far is
> work on SGI Indy's.

I think that's it.  Whatever Ariel ships you should work, though.

> 4. Can someone tell me about how to configure an Indy to boot via bootp? I
> don't yet have access to manuals.

Configure your bootp server (see the config on neon for details)
correctly, and then:
Hit ESC for maintenance (heh)
5 for boot prompt.

boot -f bootp()blahblah

("blahblah" can be any string...it figures everything out from the
bootp server)

Mike

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#>                                                                     
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Re: Pointers on how to get started

[Alan Cox]

> I had mailed Erik Troan a couple of days ago w.r.t. getting the RH install
> code for Alan and myself, but I haven't heard anything yet.

Last time I checked the SRPM files for it where on CD#2. They arent the most
recent but are 4.2. I was thus somewhat suprised you mailed Erik. - BTW the
best person to mail in Red Hat isnt Erik he's generally far far too busy. Try
the support people. I normally ask Clarence Smith if I need to check something.

Alan

Re: Pointers on how to get started

[Alan Cox]

> I had mailed Erik Troan a couple of days ago w.r.t. getting the RH install
> code for Alan and myself, but I haven't heard anything yet.

Last time I checked the SRPM files for it where on CD#2. They arent the most
recent but are 4.2. I was thus somewhat suprised you mailed Erik. - BTW the
best person to mail in Red Hat isnt Erik he's generally far far too busy. Try
the support people. I normally ask Clarence Smith if I need to check something.

Alan

Re: Pointers on how to get started

[Miguel de Icaza]

> How are things on the native booting front?
> 
> I had mailed Erik Troan a couple of days ago w.r.t. getting the RH install
> code for Alan and myself, but I haven't heard anything yet.

The source code for the Red Hat install program is included in every
mirror of the distribution.

Cheers,
Miguel.

Power Series?

[Mike Shaver]

Are the Power Series boxes of interest to me? =)
I may be able to get my hands on a 3-processor fridge-sized Power
Series something, and if it's a MIPS system, I just might give it a
shot.

Mike

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Power Series?

[Mike Shaver]

Are the Power Series boxes of interest to me? =)
I may be able to get my hands on a 3-processor fridge-sized Power
Series something, and if it's a MIPS system, I just might give it a
shot.

Mike

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#>                                                                     
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#>                  That doesn't mean I am *WRONG*." -- mjr@clark.net  

Re: Power Series?

[Steve Rikli]

Mike Shaver wrote:
> 
> Are the Power Series boxes of interest to me? =)
> I may be able to get my hands on a 3-processor fridge-sized Power
> Series something, and if it's a MIPS system, I just might give it a
> shot.

They're respectable machines, depending on the flavor/color.  ;)

Are you sure it's really 3p ?  Most of the fridge-sized POWER Series
(you might also hear them referred to as "Predators" or "4D" systems)
had CPU cards which were 2p each, up to a max (AFAIK) of 8p per
system.  Though there was the 4D/210GTX which were sold in droves,
from what I hear.

In general, the 4D/XX0 nomenclature works like this:

	4D/340 == 4 33MHz R3000 CPUs
	4D/480 == 8 40MHz R3000 CPUs
	etc.

You get the idea.  Also in general, the fridge-sized POWER Series
cards were/are compatible with the deskside POWER Series, though
there were backplane differences (primarily just the # of slots
available, but there were a few other subtleties).

Personally, I'd *love* to see Linux running on the POWER series,
since I can likely get my hands on a deskside 4D/440 pretty
easily.  ;-)

If you need more info about the configuration of the POWER series
systems/chassis let me know and I might be able to help out.

cheers,
sr.
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Re: Power Series?

[Steve Rikli]

Mike Shaver wrote:
> 
> Are the Power Series boxes of interest to me? =)
> I may be able to get my hands on a 3-processor fridge-sized Power
> Series something, and if it's a MIPS system, I just might give it a
> shot.

They're respectable machines, depending on the flavor/color.  ;)

Are you sure it's really 3p ?  Most of the fridge-sized POWER Series
(you might also hear them referred to as "Predators" or "4D" systems)
had CPU cards which were 2p each, up to a max (AFAIK) of 8p per
system.  Though there was the 4D/210GTX which were sold in droves,
from what I hear.

In general, the 4D/XX0 nomenclature works like this:

	4D/340 == 4 33MHz R3000 CPUs
	4D/480 == 8 40MHz R3000 CPUs
	etc.

You get the idea.  Also in general, the fridge-sized POWER Series
cards were/are compatible with the deskside POWER Series, though
there were backplane differences (primarily just the # of slots
available, but there were a few other subtleties).

Personally, I'd *love* to see Linux running on the POWER series,
since I can likely get my hands on a deskside 4D/440 pretty
easily.  ;-)

If you need more info about the configuration of the POWER series
systems/chassis let me know and I might be able to help out.

cheers,
sr.
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|| Systems Administrator    ||| entry fee to keep out the riffraff.     ||
|| NSD, EIS Infrastructure  |||                                         ||
|| Silicon Graphics, Inc.   |||               - Calvin                  ||

Re: Power Series?

[Alex deVries]

On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Steve Rikli wrote:
> 
> Personally, I'd *love* to see Linux running on the POWER series,
> since I can likely get my hands on a deskside 4D/440 pretty
> easily.  ;-)
> 
> If you need more info about the configuration of the POWER series
> systems/chassis let me know and I might be able to help out.

Very cool.  I will get Dave Kennedy to identify the machine precisely so
we know exactly what we're dealing with.

- Alex

Re: Power Series?

[Mike Shaver]

Thus spake Steve Rikli:
> Mike Shaver wrote:
> > 
> > Are the Power Series boxes of interest to me? =)
> 
> They're respectable machines, depending on the flavor/color.  ;)

This one is brown.

Mike
(I hear the mauve ones have more RAM, though)

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Re: Power Series?

[Mike Shaver]

Thus spake Steve Rikli:
> Mike Shaver wrote:
> > 
> > Are the Power Series boxes of interest to me? =)
> 
> They're respectable machines, depending on the flavor/color.  ;)

This one is brown.

Mike
(I hear the mauve ones have more RAM, though)

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Re: Power Series?

[David Kennedy]

On Fri, 15 Aug 1997, Mike Shaver wrote:

> Are the Power Series boxes of interest to me? =)
> I may be able to get my hands on a 3-processor fridge-sized Power
> Series something, and if it's a MIPS system, I just might give it a
> shot.

Oops, yes, I lied.  It has _4_ processors.  (It detects 3 on bootup. ie:
the one it's booting with, and 3 more).  I'll get more specs on it
sometime next week.  It's brown though.

-- 
David Kennedy
"Error loading lmouse.drv.  You must reinstall Windows."

Dynapenguin!

[Mike Shaver]

Yesssssss......!

Ralf's new glibc-2.0.1 builds without complaint, and I've now got
(trivial) dynamic binaries working on my Indy.

We shall now see if the net-tools stuff works as nicely...

Mike
(much better...)

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strace/truss equiv?

[Mike Shaver]

OK, I'll bite.
What's the strace/truss equivalent under IRIX?

I'm trying to figure out why my "dynamically-linked" hello world
binaries are 115K, and I can't tell where the heck the linker is
finding the static libs.

Mike

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Re: strace/truss equiv?

[Luc Chouinard]

par -ilsSSN open <command>

Mike Shaver wrote:
> 
> OK, I'll bite.
> What's the strace/truss equivalent under IRIX?
> 
> I'm trying to figure out why my "dynamically-linked" hello world
> binaries are 115K, and I can't tell where the heck the linker is
> finding the static libs.
> 
> Mike
> 
> --
> #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation
> #>              Linux: because every cycle counts.
> #>
> #> "I don't know what you do for a living[...]" -- perry@piermont.com
> #>        "I change the world." -- davem@caip.rutgers.edu

-- 
Luc

Re: strace/truss equiv?

[John E. Schimmel]

> 
> OK, I'll bite.
> What's the strace/truss equivalent under IRIX?
> 
> I'm trying to figure out why my "dynamically-linked" hello world
> binaries are 115K, and I can't tell where the heck the linker is
> finding the static libs.
> 
> Mike
> 
> -- 
> #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation 
> #>              Linux: because every cycle counts.
> #>
> #> "I don't know what you do for a living[...]" -- perry@piermont.com
> #>        "I change the world." -- davem@caip.rutgers.edu
> 

The equivelant is par.  You may also want to take a look at
elfdump which will tell you what libraries you are linked with, etc.

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Re: strace/truss equiv?

[John E. Schimmel]

> 
> OK, I'll bite.
> What's the strace/truss equivalent under IRIX?
> 
> I'm trying to figure out why my "dynamically-linked" hello world
> binaries are 115K, and I can't tell where the heck the linker is
> finding the static libs.
> 
> Mike
> 
> -- 
> #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation 
> #>              Linux: because every cycle counts.
> #>
> #> "I don't know what you do for a living[...]" -- perry@piermont.com
> #>        "I change the world." -- davem@caip.rutgers.edu
> 

The equivelant is par.  You may also want to take a look at
elfdump which will tell you what libraries you are linked with, etc.

--------------------------------------------------------------
John E. Schimmel                       Email:    jes@sgi.com         
KD6MNW				       Voice:    (415)933-4116
Silicon Graphics Inc.                  Fax:      (415)933-0513
http://reality.sgi.com/jes             Cellular: (209)988-1549
--------------------------------------------------------------

Re: strace/truss equiv?

[Mike Shaver]

Thus spake John E. Schimmel:
> The equivelant is par.  You may also want to take a look at
> elfdump which will tell you what libraries you are linked with, etc.

par was what I was looking for.

elfdump doesn't seem to tell me anything about the -b mips-linux
stuff.  Oversight on SGI's part, no doubt. =)

Mike

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Re: strace/truss equiv?

[Mike Shaver]

Thus spake John E. Schimmel:
> The equivelant is par.  You may also want to take a look at
> elfdump which will tell you what libraries you are linked with, etc.

par was what I was looking for.

elfdump doesn't seem to tell me anything about the -b mips-linux
stuff.  Oversight on SGI's part, no doubt. =)

Mike

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#> `If you get bitten by a bug, tough luck...the one thing I won't do  
#> is feel sorry for you.  In fact, I might ask you to do it all over  
#> again, just to get more information.  I'm a heartless bastard.'     
#>                       -- Linus Torvalds (on development kernels)    

Re: strace/truss equiv?

[Ariel Faigon]

:
:OK, I'll bite.
:What's the strace/truss equivalent under IRIX?
:
:I'm trying to figure out why my "dynamically-linked" hello world
:binaries are 115K, and I can't tell where the heck the linker is
:finding the static libs.
:
:Mike
:
As Luc mentioned, you may use 'par' the advantages are that it
has many more features and almost no overhead. One notable
disadvantage however (especially for userland debugging) is that
it uses some special kernel services for async event notifications
so its trace output is asynchronous to the traced process.

I guess you would prefer 'strace' to 'par' (like I do) you may get
a precompiled binary for IRIX at:

	http://reality.sgi.com/ariel/freeware/

Note that this version doesn't support tracing 64-bit binaries.

Thank David Miller for making strace work under 6.x.
-- 
Peace, Ariel

Re: strace/truss equiv?

[Ariel Faigon]

:
:OK, I'll bite.
:What's the strace/truss equivalent under IRIX?
:
:I'm trying to figure out why my "dynamically-linked" hello world
:binaries are 115K, and I can't tell where the heck the linker is
:finding the static libs.
:
:Mike
:
As Luc mentioned, you may use 'par' the advantages are that it
has many more features and almost no overhead. One notable
disadvantage however (especially for userland debugging) is that
it uses some special kernel services for async event notifications
so its trace output is asynchronous to the traced process.

I guess you would prefer 'strace' to 'par' (like I do) you may get
a precompiled binary for IRIX at:

	http://reality.sgi.com/ariel/freeware/

Note that this version doesn't support tracing 64-bit binaries.

Thank David Miller for making strace work under 6.x.
-- 
Peace, Ariel

Re: strace/truss equiv?

[Ralf Baechle]

> OK, I'll bite.
> What's the strace/truss equivalent under IRIX?
> 
> I'm trying to figure out why my "dynamically-linked" hello world
> binaries are 115K, and I can't tell where the heck the linker is
> finding the static libs.

The GNU linker has a verbose option which will make it print all the
files as it tries to open them.  Check the docs.  You should have

<prefix>/mips-linux/lib/libc.so             (A linker script)
<prefix>/mips-linux/lib/libc.so.6           (A symlink to the acutal shlib)
<prefix>/mips-linux/lib/libc-<version>.so   (The actual shared library image)
<prefix>/mips-linux/lib/libc.a              (The static libc)

Note that libc.so is an ASCII file containing a short linker script
unlike Linux libc.

Does that help?

  Ralf

Re: strace/truss equiv?

[Ralf Baechle]

> OK, I'll bite.
> What's the strace/truss equivalent under IRIX?
> 
> I'm trying to figure out why my "dynamically-linked" hello world
> binaries are 115K, and I can't tell where the heck the linker is
> finding the static libs.

The GNU linker has a verbose option which will make it print all the
files as it tries to open them.  Check the docs.  You should have

<prefix>/mips-linux/lib/libc.so             (A linker script)
<prefix>/mips-linux/lib/libc.so.6           (A symlink to the acutal shlib)
<prefix>/mips-linux/lib/libc-<version>.so   (The actual shared library image)
<prefix>/mips-linux/lib/libc.a              (The static libc)

Note that libc.so is an ASCII file containing a short linker script
unlike Linux libc.

Does that help?

  Ralf

Re: strace/truss equiv?

[Mike Shaver]

Thus spake Ralf Baechle:
> The GNU linker has a verbose option which will make it print all the
> files as it tries to open them.  Check the docs.  You should have
> 
> <prefix>/mips-linux/lib/libc.so             (A linker script)

This was missing, due to some oh-so-clever things I'd done while
transferring the libs onto the Indy.

All is better now, and I've built apache. =)
Once I find a pristine source archive of the net-tools (proving
surprisingly difficult, since I have a memory like a sieve), I'll try
and get it serving pages.

Does anyone have a penguin-plus-SGI-cube logo yet, or should I get
someone here to whip it up? =)

Mike

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#>              to find out that the magic was not
#>                          really meant for you" - OLP

Re: strace/truss equiv?

[Mike Shaver]

Thus spake Ralf Baechle:
> The GNU linker has a verbose option which will make it print all the
> files as it tries to open them.  Check the docs.  You should have
> 
> <prefix>/mips-linux/lib/libc.so             (A linker script)

This was missing, due to some oh-so-clever things I'd done while
transferring the libs onto the Indy.

All is better now, and I've built apache. =)
Once I find a pristine source archive of the net-tools (proving
surprisingly difficult, since I have a memory like a sieve), I'll try
and get it serving pages.

Does anyone have a penguin-plus-SGI-cube logo yet, or should I get
someone here to whip it up? =)

Mike

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#>                                                                     
#> "you'd be so disappointed
#>              to find out that the magic was not
#>                          really meant for you" - OLP

Re: strace/truss equiv?

[Ralf Baechle]

Hi,

> All is better now, and I've built apache. =)
> Once I find a pristine source archive of the net-tools (proving
> surprisingly difficult, since I have a memory like a sieve), I'll try
> and get it serving pages.
> 
> Does anyone have a penguin-plus-SGI-cube logo yet, or should I get
> someone here to whip it up? =)

Would be great to have one.  Any talented artists on this list?

  Ralf

Re: strace/truss equiv?

[Ralf Baechle]

Hi,

> All is better now, and I've built apache. =)
> Once I find a pristine source archive of the net-tools (proving
> surprisingly difficult, since I have a memory like a sieve), I'll try
> and get it serving pages.
> 
> Does anyone have a penguin-plus-SGI-cube logo yet, or should I get
> someone here to whip it up? =)

Would be great to have one.  Any talented artists on this list?

  Ralf

small world

[Mike Shaver]

Just had a sales guy in here sorting out the details on a project
we're working on, and it looks like we're going to have a nice plump
Origin 200 in here very shortly.  Along with that comes a
development/scratch box, probably an O2 or a Challenge DM, which might
be diverted towards The Cause if I ask nicely enough.

Anyway, I recall Larry mentioning way back when that people were
interested in organizations that saw Linux availability as an
incentive to purchase; It looks like we might be one of those
organizations, if this goes through as expected.  (SGI Canada has been
after us, off and on, for a fair while now, and they're pretty excited
about this project.)  Is there anything I should be doing specifically
to further your internal sales efforts?  Put the account exec in touch
with Ariel/Larry/whomever?

Also, I'm going to be in San Jose the week of the SGI Developers'
Forum, and the SGI Canada guys may be sponsoring my attendance.  Will
any of this list's denizens be around?  I'd love to put faces to the
names...

Mike

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#>                                                                     
#> "See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like
#>    Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too." - Linus Torvalds

Re: small world

[Ralf Baechle]

Hi,

> Just had a sales guy in here sorting out the details on a project
> we're working on, and it looks like we're going to have a nice plump
> Origin 200 in here very shortly.  Along with that comes a
> development/scratch box, probably an O2 or a Challenge DM, which might
> be diverted towards The Cause if I ask nicely enough.
> 
> Anyway, I recall Larry mentioning way back when that people were
> interested in organizations that saw Linux availability as an
> incentive to purchase; It looks like we might be one of those
> organizations, if this goes through as expected.  (SGI Canada has been
> after us, off and on, for a fair while now, and they're pretty excited
> about this project.)  Is there anything I should be doing specifically
> to further your internal sales efforts?  Put the account exec in touch
> with Ariel/Larry/whomever?

During the last days I was talking with with Jon "Maddog" Hall, DEC's
UNIX systems senior engineer.  He also mentioned that Linux helped them
to sell more DEC UNIX systems than before.

> Also, I'm going to be in San Jose the week of the SGI Developers'
> Forum, and the SGI Canada guys may be sponsoring my attendance.  Will
> any of this list's denizens be around?  I'd love to put faces to the
> names...

Well, I won't  be there unless some bird drops a ticket in front of my
door ...

  Ralf

Re: small world

[Ralf Baechle]

Hi,

> Just had a sales guy in here sorting out the details on a project
> we're working on, and it looks like we're going to have a nice plump
> Origin 200 in here very shortly.  Along with that comes a
> development/scratch box, probably an O2 or a Challenge DM, which might
> be diverted towards The Cause if I ask nicely enough.
> 
> Anyway, I recall Larry mentioning way back when that people were
> interested in organizations that saw Linux availability as an
> incentive to purchase; It looks like we might be one of those
> organizations, if this goes through as expected.  (SGI Canada has been
> after us, off and on, for a fair while now, and they're pretty excited
> about this project.)  Is there anything I should be doing specifically
> to further your internal sales efforts?  Put the account exec in touch
> with Ariel/Larry/whomever?

During the last days I was talking with with Jon "Maddog" Hall, DEC's
UNIX systems senior engineer.  He also mentioned that Linux helped them
to sell more DEC UNIX systems than before.

> Also, I'm going to be in San Jose the week of the SGI Developers'
> Forum, and the SGI Canada guys may be sponsoring my attendance.  Will
> any of this list's denizens be around?  I'd love to put faces to the
> names...

Well, I won't  be there unless some bird drops a ticket in front of my
door ...

  Ralf

Re: small world

[Christopher W. Carlson]

On May 25,  5:21am, Ralf Baechle wrote:
> Subject: Re: small world
> Hi,
>
> During the last days I was talking with with Jon "Maddog" Hall, DEC's
> UNIX systems senior engineer.  He also mentioned that Linux helped them
> to sell more DEC UNIX systems than before.
>
> > Also, I'm going to be in San Jose the week of the SGI Developers'
> > Forum, and the SGI Canada guys may be sponsoring my attendance.  Will
> > any of this list's denizens be around?  I'd love to put faces to the
> > names...
>
> Well, I won't  be there unless some bird drops a ticket in front of my
> door ...
>
>   Ralf
>-- End of excerpt from Ralf Baechle


Well, I'll be there.  I'll be the room meister for the main hall.  Also,
I'm pretty sure Martin Knoblauch will be there from Germany.

-- 

		Chris Carlson

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Re: strace/truss equiv?

[Seth Morabito]

On May 27, 10:58pm, Ralf Baechle wrote:
> Subject: Re: strace/truss equiv?
> Hi,
>
> > All is better now, and I've built apache. =)
> > Once I find a pristine source archive of the net-tools (proving
> > surprisingly difficult, since I have a memory like a sieve), I'll try
> > and get it serving pages.
> >
> > Does anyone have a penguin-plus-SGI-cube logo yet, or should I get
> > someone here to whip it up? =)
>
> Would be great to have one.  Any talented artists on this list?

Oooh, cool...

  If noone objects, I'd like to take a stab at it.  Consider it my
small, pitiful, insignificant contribution to the SGI-Linux project.

-Seth "Not so bad with Photoshop, if I do say so myself" Morabito





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it's quite a nice language.)"  --  Larry Wall

Re: small world

[Martin Knoblauch]

Mike Shaver wrote:
> 
> 
> Also, I'm going to be in San Jose the week of the SGI Developers'
> Forum, and the SGI Canada guys may be sponsoring my attendance.  Will
> any of this list's denizens be around?  I'd love to put faces to the
> names...
> 
> Mike
>

 I'll definitely be there. Maybe we can have some kind of Linux
meeting around the event.

Martin 
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Hello world!

[Mike Shaver]

Looks like I'm getting an Indy when I get back to Ottawa next week, so
I'd like to hear from others (hello?) as to what kind of work we're
looking at in the short term.

Since I don't grok assembler (my private shame), I don't know how much
help I'll be at the low-level system stage.  I'm quite interested in
working on userland stuff, and will gladly do any kernel mucking that
I can handle.  (And if someone wants to give me a crash assembly
course, well... =) )

I understand that we're looking to get a source repository out on the
'net, which would be a good start.  What are people planning to start
with first?  (I suppose talking to disks is a priority... =) )

Mike

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#>       Chief System Architect -- Head geek -- System exorcist        
#>                                                                     
#>   "Have you considered a life?  I hear they're quite affordable     
#>          these days." --- shields@tembel.org                        

Re: Hello world!

[Alistair Lambie]

On Mar 14, 10:32am, Mike Shaver wrote:
> Subject: Hello world!
> Looks like I'm getting an Indy when I get back to Ottawa next week, so
> I'd like to hear from others (hello?) as to what kind of work we're
> looking at in the short term.
>
> Since I don't grok assembler (my private shame), I don't know how much
> help I'll be at the low-level system stage.  I'm quite interested in
> working on userland stuff, and will gladly do any kernel mucking that
> I can handle.  (And if someone wants to give me a crash assembly
> course, well... =) )
>
> I understand that we're looking to get a source repository out on the
> 'net, which would be a good start.  What are people planning to start
> with first?  (I suppose talking to disks is a priority... =) )
>

Umm...I'm sure David got the SCSI stuff going....infact let's look back in my
Outgoing mailbox....Yup, here we go:

  WD93:Driver version 1.21 compiled on Jul 11 1996 at 07:19:23
  wd33c93-0: chip-WD22c93B microcode=0d
  scsi0 : SGI WD93
  scsi : 1 host
  Started kswapd v 1.2
    Vendor: SGI       Model: SEAGATE ST31230N  Rev: 0272
    Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 02
  Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 1, lun 0
    Vendor: SGI       Model: IBMDSAS-3540      Rev: S47K
    Type:   Direct-Access                      ANSI SCSI revision: 02
  Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 2, lun 0
  scsi : detected 2 SCSI disks total
  SCSI device sda: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 2070235 [1010 MB] [1.0 GB]
  SCSI device sdb: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 1070496 [522 MB] [0.5 GB]
  sgiseeq.....
  eth0:......
  Partition check:
   sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4
   sdb: sdb1 sdb2 sdb3 sdb4
  Sending BOOTP.....

It was a little slow the first time, but he fixed that.  It understands SGI
partition tables.

Cheers, Alistair

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Re: Hello world!

[Ariel Faigon]

:
:On Mar 14, 10:32am, Mike Shaver wrote:
:> Subject: Hello world!
:> Looks like I'm getting an Indy when I get back to Ottawa next week, so
:> I'd like to hear from others (hello?) as to what kind of work we're
:> looking at in the short term.
:>

The goals are:
	0) Complete the merge with mainstream Linux
	   (David left at 2.0.11 or so) which I assume
	   Ralf has already done or doing.

	1) Get the Indy to boot linux from a _local_ disk
	   Ralf and Miguel were looking into SILO here.

	2) Get gcc to work native of Linux/Indy

As Alistair said, David already got the WD SCSI driver to work
and he was booting to multiuser and even running GNU emacs
on his Linux Indy.  But this was done using:

	1) Cross builds (gcc-cross was running on IRIX 6.2
	   and producing Linux ELF-32 binaries).

	2) Booting was never local. It was always using the
	   ARC prom bootp command.

	3) The target Linux/Indy filesystems were NFS mounted.

Basically we need to mkfs.ext2(8) on the local Indy (as IRIX
supports XFS and EFS both of which are proprietary, Sigh)
It would be best to have a seprate disk (rather than a
partition which may disappear in case of human error)
Get SILO to work, get the latest gcc to work native
and we can start working on userland.

Asking David some questions might be a good idea too.
I'm not sure he is currently on the list, I'll ask
him if he's interested to join.

:>
:> I understand that we're looking to get a source repository out on the
:> 'net, which would be a good start.  What are people planning to start
:> with first?  (I suppose talking to disks is a priority... =) )
:>

Larry and I are working on setting up linux.sgi.com outside the
SGI firewall. My intention is to set up tcpwrappers so that only
the developers (Ralf, Miguel, Mike) and SGI people could login
and give you complete control of the machine. At which point
you can install ssh or whatever and start sharing sources.

The "official" initial post-David merged source tree should
come from Ralf.

-- 
Peace, Ariel

Re: Hello world!

[Ariel Faigon]

:
:On Mar 14, 10:32am, Mike Shaver wrote:
:> Subject: Hello world!
:> Looks like I'm getting an Indy when I get back to Ottawa next week, so
:> I'd like to hear from others (hello?) as to what kind of work we're
:> looking at in the short term.
:>

The goals are:
	0) Complete the merge with mainstream Linux
	   (David left at 2.0.11 or so) which I assume
	   Ralf has already done or doing.

	1) Get the Indy to boot linux from a _local_ disk
	   Ralf and Miguel were looking into SILO here.

	2) Get gcc to work native of Linux/Indy

As Alistair said, David already got the WD SCSI driver to work
and he was booting to multiuser and even running GNU emacs
on his Linux Indy.  But this was done using:

	1) Cross builds (gcc-cross was running on IRIX 6.2
	   and producing Linux ELF-32 binaries).

	2) Booting was never local. It was always using the
	   ARC prom bootp command.

	3) The target Linux/Indy filesystems were NFS mounted.

Basically we need to mkfs.ext2(8) on the local Indy (as IRIX
supports XFS and EFS both of which are proprietary, Sigh)
It would be best to have a seprate disk (rather than a
partition which may disappear in case of human error)
Get SILO to work, get the latest gcc to work native
and we can start working on userland.

Asking David some questions might be a good idea too.
I'm not sure he is currently on the list, I'll ask
him if he's interested to join.

:>
:> I understand that we're looking to get a source repository out on the
:> 'net, which would be a good start.  What are people planning to start
:> with first?  (I suppose talking to disks is a priority... =) )
:>

Larry and I are working on setting up linux.sgi.com outside the
SGI firewall. My intention is to set up tcpwrappers so that only
the developers (Ralf, Miguel, Mike) and SGI people could login
and give you complete control of the machine. At which point
you can install ssh or whatever and start sharing sources.

The "official" initial post-David merged source tree should
come from Ralf.

-- 
Peace, Ariel

Re: Hello world!

[David S. Miller]

   From: ariel@yon.engr.sgi.com (Ariel Faigon)
   Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:18:06 -0800 (PST)

	   3) The target Linux/Indy filesystems were NFS mounted.

   Basically we need to mkfs.ext2(8) on the local Indy (as IRIX
   supports XFS and EFS both of which are proprietary, Sigh)
   It would be best to have a seprate disk (rather than a
   partition which may disappear in case of human error)
   Get SILO to work, get the latest gcc to work native
   and we can start working on userland.

In all actuality I did have real Linux ext2 filesystems on my test
box, only the kernel was network obtained.  In fact the stock ext2
filesystem utilities can be compiled on non-Linux platforms out of the
box, they use GNU autoconf.  In fact this is what I did to get going
initially.

I still had to use IRIX fdisk to label the disk, but then from IRIX I
just ran the mke2fs program to make the ext2 filesystem.  Then I'd
boot Linux quickly using nfsroot, mount the ext2 filesystem I had just
created, and I constructed a partition by copying files over from the
nfs partition in this way.  It was a pain, but it worked and I was
more interested in seeing results than doing it right at the time. ;-)
Also the rapid pace at which I was making changes to libc which caused
all of the binaries on the partition to be unusable (because of a
change of symbols in the dynamic linker etc.) actually warranted this
scheme.

A boot loader is really needed though.  There are essentially two or
three approaches most ports take to this task:

1) If the machine provides a "BIOS" or ROM interface that the loader
   can use to access the raw disk to do I/O operations, the boot
   loader only needs to be very minimal.  It uses the ext2 filesystem
   library, teaches the library at init time to use functions which it
   provides to do I/O.  It will do so via the ROM interfaces.  Also,
   some knowledge of the disk labeling scheme is necessary as well.
   This is the scheme used by the Sparc port's boot loader, it is the
   easiest way to approach this problem and it does not lack any
   features.

2) The Alpha port sticks essentially a miniature kernel into the boot
   loader.  Although I dislike this scheme, I have been told that they
   do need to do things this way.  Pretty much the boot loader has
   full device drivers in it.

I'd suggest scheme 1, I am nearly positive the SGI proms provide all
the facilities necessary to do what I have described.  And if I
remember correctly the boot loader that Ralf is using on his SRM
machines does in fact do all of this.  It would be beneficial to go
and look at the available boot loaders already coded, I have a
sneaking suspician that someone willing to stare at all of the code in
those boot loaders can get the thing working on an INDY in say 5 or 6
days time with no prior knowledge.

   Asking David some questions might be a good idea too.
   I'm not sure he is currently on the list, I'll ask
   him if he's interested to join.

If I am not on there now, please add me.  I'll listen in.

   Larry and I are working on setting up linux.sgi.com outside the
   SGI firewall. My intention is to set up tcpwrappers so that only
   the developers (Ralf, Miguel, Mike) and SGI people could login
   and give you complete control of the machine. At which point
   you can install ssh or whatever and start sharing sources.

   The "official" initial post-David merged source tree should
   come from Ralf.

Right.

---------------------------------------------////
Yow! 11.26 MB/s remote host TCP bandwidth & ////
199 usec remote TCP latency over 100Mb/s   ////
ethernet.  Beat that!                     ////
-----------------------------------------////__________  o
David S. Miller, davem@caip.rutgers.edu /_____________/ / // /_/ ><

Re: strace/truss equiv?

[Christopher W. Carlson]

On May 27,  3:19pm, Mike Shaver wrote:
> Subject: strace/truss equiv?
> OK, I'll bite.
> What's the strace/truss equivalent under IRIX?
>
> I'm trying to figure out why my "dynamically-linked" hello world
> binaries are 115K, and I can't tell where the heck the linker is
> finding the static libs.
>
> Mike
>
> --
> #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation
> #>              Linux: because every cycle counts.
> #>
> #> "I don't know what you do for a living[...]" -- perry@piermont.com
> #>        "I change the world." -- davem@caip.rutgers.edu
>-- End of excerpt from Mike Shaver


You can also do some interesting things with rld (see the man page)
which will cause it to print out the libraries it is loading as a
program is started.

-- 

		Chris Carlson

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	| human brain and a bowl of quivering lime Jell-O have |
	| the same waves.  [Time Magazine, Mar 17, 1997]       |
	+------------------------------------------------------+

Re: Dynapenguin!

[Seth Morabito]

On May 28,  2:37pm, Mike Shaver wrote:
> Subject: Dynapenguin!

... As in, "Electra Woman and DynaPenguin"?

Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh, scary Sid and Marty Krofft memories! Yikes!

> Yesssssss......!
>
> Ralf's new glibc-2.0.1 builds without complaint, and I've now got
> (trivial) dynamic binaries working on my Indy.
>
> We shall now see if the net-tools stuff works as nicely...
>
> Mike
> (much better...)
>-- End of excerpt from Mike Shaver


Congrats, Mike!!

(Tom Servo voice -->) "We're on our waaaayyy!"

-Seth

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"I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Lisp has all the visual
appeal of oatmeal with fingernail clippings mixed in. (Other than that,
it's quite a nice language.)"  --  Larry Wall

Re: Dynapenguin!

[Mike Shaver]

Thus spake Seth Morabito:
> On May 28,  2:37pm, Mike Shaver wrote:
> > Subject: Dynapenguin!
> 
> ... As in, "Electra Woman and DynaPenguin"?

Nope.
(Before my time... =) ))

> Congrats, Mike!!

No, "congrats, Ralf!!", for getting it all patched up and putting up
with my incessant pestering.

> (Tom Servo voice -->) "We're on our waaaayyy!"

Indeed.

Mike
(Indy sign!)

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#>
#> "I don't know what you do for a living[...]" -- perry@piermont.com
#>        "I change the world." -- davem@caip.rutgers.edu

Re: Dynapenguin!

[Mike Shaver]

Thus spake Seth Morabito:
> On May 28,  2:37pm, Mike Shaver wrote:
> > Subject: Dynapenguin!
> 
> ... As in, "Electra Woman and DynaPenguin"?

Nope.
(Before my time... =) ))

> Congrats, Mike!!

No, "congrats, Ralf!!", for getting it all patched up and putting up
with my incessant pestering.

> (Tom Servo voice -->) "We're on our waaaayyy!"

Indeed.

Mike
(Indy sign!)

-- 
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#>              Linux: because every cycle counts.
#>
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Re: Pointers on how to get started

[richard offer]

* $ from shaver@neon.ingenia.ca at "18-Jul: 2:46pm" | sed "1,$s/^/* /"
*
* > 3. Exactly what hardware will this run on?  All I've heard thus far is
* > work on SGI Indy's.
*
* I think that's it.  Whatever Ariel ships you should work, though.

Does this mean it won't work on an R4k Indigo ?

Bugger, there goes my idea of sticking a second disk into changeling....

[ changeling 240 ] hinv
CPU: MIPS R4000 Processor Chip Revision: 3.0
FPU: MIPS R4000 Floating Point Coprocessor Revision: 0.0
1 100 MHZ IP20 Processor
Main memory size: 32 Mbytes
Secondary unified instruction/data cache size: 1 Mbyte on Processor 0
Instruction cache size: 8 Kbytes
Data cache size: 8 Kbytes
Integral SCSI controller 0: Version WD33C93B, revision C
  Disk drive: unit 1 on SCSI controller 0
On-board serial ports: 2
On-board bi-directional parallel port
Graphics board: GR2-XZ
Integral Ethernet: ec0, version 1

*
*
* Mike
*
* --
* #> Mike Shaver (shaver@ingenia.com) Ingenia Communications Corporation
* #> Paranoid for money.                            Sarcastic for kicks.
* #>
* #> "They already *KNOW* I am a whacko, Karen.
* #>                  That doesn't mean I am *WRONG*." -- mjr@clark.net
*


richard.


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Re: Pointers on how to get started

[Martin Knoblauch]

richard offer wrote:
> 
> * $ from shaver@neon.ingenia.ca at "18-Jul: 2:46pm" | sed "1,$s/^/* /"
> *
> * > 3. Exactly what hardware will this run on?  All I've heard thus far is
> * > work on SGI Indy's.
> *
> * I think that's it.  Whatever Ariel ships you should work, though.
> 
> Does this mean it won't work on an R4k Indigo ?
> 
> Bugger, there goes my idea of sticking a second disk into changeling....
> 
> [ changeling 240 ] hinv
> CPU: MIPS R4000 Processor Chip Revision: 3.0
> FPU: MIPS R4000 Floating Point Coprocessor Revision: 0.0
> 1 100 MHZ IP20 Processor
> Main memory size: 32 Mbytes
> Secondary unified instruction/data cache size: 1 Mbyte on Processor 0
> Instruction cache size: 8 Kbytes
> Data cache size: 8 Kbytes
> Integral SCSI controller 0: Version WD33C93B, revision C
>   Disk drive: unit 1 on SCSI controller 0
> On-board serial ports: 2
> On-board bi-directional parallel port
> Graphics board: GR2-XZ
> Integral Ethernet: ec0, version 1
> 

  Hmm. Can you downgrade to "Starter" GFX? That might be
suffiently compatibel to Newport.

Martin
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Re: Power Series?

[richard offer]

* $ from shaver@neon.ingenia.ca at "15-Aug: 4:54pm" | sed "1,$s/^/* /"
*
*
* Thus spake Steve Rikli:
* > Mike Shaver wrote:
* > >
* > > Are the Power Series boxes of interest to me? =)
* >
* > They're respectable machines, depending on the flavor/color.  ;)

The first SGI I used was a 240 VGX, really nice machine, of course it only had
8Mb of RAM...

*
* This one is brown.
*
* Mike
* (I hear the mauve ones have more RAM, though)

What is this, spot the Dilbert ?

*
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*

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