Dynamic linker and .interp section

Dynamic linker and .interp section

[Michael Shmulevich]

Hello,

My question may be a bit off-topic for this list, but still I consider 
the list as a place that may answer me.

I am trying to create a cross-compile environement for linux system that 
will use some specific dynamic linker. To do so I specify 
-Wl,--dynamic-linker flag to gcc. However doing this I face several 
problems:

- the place for the linker during the compilation must match the place 
at the target system (if I pass -Wl,--dynamic-linker /xxx/yyy/ld.so then 
for the executable kernel looks for /xxx/yyy/ld.so in order to execute 
it. Instead I would like to use simply /lib/ld.so

- If I pass -Wl,--dynamic-linker /lib/ld.so, then the /lib/ld.so must 
exist during the compilation and match the chosen system's architecture. 
I don't want to create this file (/lib/ld.so) on my compilation machine, 
as there are many architectures that get compiled there and I cannot use 
the same ld.so for all of them.

- I saw that in gcc's spec file there is a mention of dynamic linker, 
for example, this one is for PPC %:{!dynamic-linker:-dynamic-linker 
/lib/ld.so.1}
This one is interesting because there is no /lib/ld.so.1 on my machine, 
and it resides under /usr/local/powerpc-linux/lib. Still compiler seems 
to ignore the fact that it is missing from /lib and creates the 
corresponding .interp section and PT_INTERP header.

So my question sounds like: can I specify a non-existing linker and tell 
ld to ignore missing file?

Thanks in advance for any response, no matter how insulting it may be :-)

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Sincerely yours,
Michael Shmulevich
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Re: Dynamic linker and .interp section

[Maciej W. Rozycki]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Michael Shmulevich wrote:

> So my question sounds like: can I specify a non-existing linker and tell 
> ld to ignore missing file?

 You can.  Ld never checks for its existence.

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Re: Dynamic linker and .interp section

[Michael Shmulevich]

Maciej W. Rozycki wrote:

> On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Michael Shmulevich wrote:
> 
> 
>> So my question sounds like: can I specify a non-existing linker and tell 
>> ld to ignore missing file?
> 
> 
>  You can.  Ld never checks for its existence.

As with binutils-2.10 it is not true. Not only ld looks for it, it opens 
the file, checks the architecture and even checks for SO_NAME (adds it 
do NEEDS list). I have tried it several times.


Sincerely yours,
Michael Shmulevich
______________________________________
Software Developer
Jungo - R&D
email: michaels@jungo.com
web: http://www.jungo.com
Phone: 1-877-514-0537(USA)  +972-9-8859365(Worldwide) ext. 233
Fax:   1-877-514-0538(USA)  +972-9-8859366(Worldwide)

Re: Dynamic linker and .interp section

[Michael Shmulevich]

Quick prove follow-up, sorry for dounple-posting

>  You can.  Ld never checks for its existence.

This one is for non-existing file:

/home/michaels/rg.ulibc/pkg/ulibc/extra/gcc-uClibc/gcc-uClibc-i386 
-L/home/michaels/rg.ulibc/pkg/ulibc -Wl,-warn-common -o busybox cat.o 
chmod_chown_chgrp.o clear.o cmdedit.o cp_mv.o date.o df.o dirname.o du.o 
echo.o find.o grep.o gunzip.o gzip.o halt.o head.o hostname.o id.o 
ifconfig.o init.o insmod.o interface.o kill.o klogd.o ln.o logger.o ls.o 
lsmod.o mkdir.o mknod.o more.o mount.o mtab.o nfsmount.o nslookup.o 
ping.o poweroff.o ps.o pwd.o reboot.o reset.o rm.o rmdir.o rmmod.o 
route.o sed.o sh.o sleep.o stty.o sync.o syslogd.o tail.o tar.o tee.o 
telnet.o test.o tftp.o touch.o true_false.o tty.o umount.o uname.o 
usleep.o which.o whoami.o xargs.o yes.o  busybox.o messages.o usage.o 
utility.o
i386-linux-gcc: /lib/ld-ulibc.so.1: No such file or directory
i386-linux-gcc: /lib/ld-ulibc.so.1: No such file or directory
make: *** [busybox] Error 1
[michaels@kobie busybox]$

This one for empty file:

/home/michaels/rg.ulibc/pkg/ulibc/extra/gcc-uClibc/gcc-uClibc-i386 
-L/home/michaels/rg.ulibc/pkg/ulibc -Wl,-warn-common -o busybox cat.o 
chmod_chown_chgrp.o clear.o cmdedit.o cp_mv.o date.o df.o dirname.o du.o 
echo.o find.o grep.o gunzip.o gzip.o halt.o head.o hostname.o id.o 
ifconfig.o init.o insmod.o interface.o kill.o klogd.o ln.o logger.o ls.o 
lsmod.o mkdir.o mknod.o more.o mount.o mtab.o nfsmount.o nslookup.o 
ping.o poweroff.o ps.o pwd.o reboot.o reset.o rm.o rmdir.o rmmod.o 
route.o sed.o sh.o sleep.o stty.o sync.o syslogd.o tail.o tar.o tee.o 
telnet.o test.o tftp.o touch.o true_false.o tty.o umount.o uname.o 
usleep.o which.o whoami.o xargs.o yes.o  busybox.o messages.o usage.o 
utility.o
/lib/ld-ulibc.so.1: file not recognized: File truncated
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [busybox] Error 1
[michaels@kobie busybox]$


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Sincerely yours,
Michael Shmulevich
______________________________________
Software Developer
Jungo - R&D
email: michaels@jungo.com
web: http://www.jungo.com
Phone: 1-877-514-0537(USA)  +972-9-8859365(Worldwide) ext. 233
Fax:   1-877-514-0538(USA)  +972-9-8859366(Worldwide)

Re: Dynamic linker and .interp section

[Maciej W. Rozycki]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Michael Shmulevich wrote:

> >  You can.  Ld never checks for its existence.
> 
> As with binutils-2.10 it is not true. Not only ld looks for it, it opens 
> the file, checks the architecture and even checks for SO_NAME (adds it 
> do NEEDS list). I have tried it several times.

 It is.  Otherwise I wouldn't be able to cross-compile and I am.  Check
whether you link against a dynamic object.  It might have the dynamic
linker as one of it's DT_NEEDED dependencies.  For example it's the case
for libc.so.

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+  Maciej W. Rozycki, Technical University of Gdansk, Poland   +
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