initrd problem

initrd problem

[Ed Martini]

Background:

I'm trying to get 2.6.11 to run on a MIPS Malta board with Yamon.  The 
kernel that comes with the board is 2.4.18 with an embedded ramdisk that 
runs some scripts to install RPMS via NFS or CD-ROM.  The kernel is 
converted to s-records via objcopy(1), and loaded into memory via tftp.  
I want to do something similar with 2.6.latest.

Problem:

On or about Nov 21 of last year, the CONFIG_EMBEDDED_RAMDISK disappeared.

http://www.linux-mips.org/archives/linux-mips/2004-11/msg00135.html

In it's place it is suggested to use the tools in arch/mips/boot, so I 
tried it.  I can cross-compile the kernel, and I get an ELF vmlinux.  I 
can convert it to ecoff with elf2ecoff, and attach an initrd image with 
addinitrd.  The problem begins here.  I end up with an ecoff format 
kernel which is not recognized by objcopy(1), and therefore no s-records.

It seems there is a program called gensrec that would do the job, but 
google doesn't want to tell me where to get it.  Some IRIX binary perhaps?

Solution?

Should I put CONFIG_EMBEDDED_RAMDISK and its ilk back into my kernel, or 
write an ELF version of addinitrd?  Other ideas?

Thanks in advance.

Re: initrd problem

[Kumba]

Ed Martini wrote:
> Background:
> 
> I'm trying to get 2.6.11 to run on a MIPS Malta board with Yamon.  The 
> kernel that comes with the board is 2.4.18 with an embedded ramdisk that 
> runs some scripts to install RPMS via NFS or CD-ROM.  The kernel is 
> converted to s-records via objcopy(1), and loaded into memory via tftp.  
> I want to do something similar with 2.6.latest.
> 
> Problem:
> 
> On or about Nov 21 of last year, the CONFIG_EMBEDDED_RAMDISK disappeared.
> 
> http://www.linux-mips.org/archives/linux-mips/2004-11/msg00135.html
> 
> In it's place it is suggested to use the tools in arch/mips/boot, so I 
> tried it.  I can cross-compile the kernel, and I get an ELF vmlinux.  I 
> can convert it to ecoff with elf2ecoff, and attach an initrd image with 
> addinitrd.  The problem begins here.  I end up with an ecoff format 
> kernel which is not recognized by objcopy(1), and therefore no s-records.
> 
> It seems there is a program called gensrec that would do the job, but 
> google doesn't want to tell me where to get it.  Some IRIX binary perhaps?
> 
> Solution?
> 
> Should I put CONFIG_EMBEDDED_RAMDISK and its ilk back into my kernel, or 
> write an ELF version of addinitrd?  Other ideas?
> 
> Thanks in advance.

The future is purportedly in the feature known as initramfs.  See the file 
Documentation/early-userpace/README for more details on how that is supposed 
to work.

That said, I tried initramfs a few times, but either due to lack of 
understanding, or broken support code in 2.6.10, I couldn't get it to properly 
load an initrd bundled in, so I forward-ported a patch I wrote that originally 
fixed CONFIG_EMBEDDED_RAMDISK to work with any ABI to 2.6.10, and it worked 
rather well.  I'm sticking with this method until I find more/better docs on 
how to use initramfs properly.

If you're interested, the patch I use can be found here:
http://dev.gentoo.org/~kumba/mips/misc/misc-2.6.10-add-ramdisk-back.patch [2.6.10]
http://dev.gentoo.org/~kumba/mips/misc/misc-2.6.11-add-ramdisk-back.patch [2.6.11]


--Kumba

-- 
"Such is oft the course of deeds that move the wheels of the world: small 
hands do them because they must, while the eyes of the great are elsewhere." 
--Elrond

Re: initrd problem

[Ralf Baechle]

On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 03:42:04PM -0800, Ed Martini wrote:

> I'm trying to get 2.6.11 to run on a MIPS Malta board with Yamon.  The 
> kernel that comes with the board is 2.4.18 with an embedded ramdisk that 
> runs some scripts to install RPMS via NFS or CD-ROM.  The kernel is 
> converted to s-records via objcopy(1), and loaded into memory via tftp.  
> I want to do something similar with 2.6.latest.
> 
> Problem:
> 
> On or about Nov 21 of last year, the CONFIG_EMBEDDED_RAMDISK disappeared.
> 
> http://www.linux-mips.org/archives/linux-mips/2004-11/msg00135.html
> 
> In it's place it is suggested to use the tools in arch/mips/boot, so I 
> tried it.  I can cross-compile the kernel, and I get an ELF vmlinux.  I 
> can convert it to ecoff with elf2ecoff, and attach an initrd image with 
> addinitrd.  The problem begins here.  I end up with an ecoff format 
> kernel which is not recognized by objcopy(1), and therefore no s-records.

I guess that was an act of desperation - YAMON needs SRECs to be happy
but doesn't know anything about SRECs.

> It seems there is a program called gensrec that would do the job, but 
> google doesn't want to tell me where to get it.  Some IRIX binary perhaps?

make vmlinux.srec; the resulting file will be in arch/mips/boot/vmlinux.srec.

> Should I put CONFIG_EMBEDDED_RAMDISK and its ilk back into my kernel, or 
> write an ELF version of addinitrd?  Other ideas?

Things vanish for a reason ...  Try CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE instead.

  Ralf

Re: initrd problem

[Ed Martini]

Ralf Baechle wrote:

>On Thu, Mar 10, 2005 at 03:42:04PM -0800, Ed Martini wrote:
>  
>
>>Should I put CONFIG_EMBEDDED_RAMDISK and its ilk back into my kernel, or 
>>write an ELF version of addinitrd?  Other ideas?
>>    
>>
>
>Things vanish for a reason ...  Try CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE instead.
>
>  Ralf
>
Ok.  Then let's get rid of it completly, and provide a replacement that 
works.

There were vestiges of embedded initrd in the ld script that were 
confusing when trying to sort things out. That, in conjunction with 
Documentation/initrd.txt made it hard to discover early user space and 
initramfs when coming from the old world (2.4).

Also, unless you move the location of .init.ramfs, it gets freed twice, 
leading to a panic.

 From the documentation alone it's impossible to figure out how to build 
your initramfs.  In various places the docs refer to the initial 
executable as /linuxrc, /kinit, /init, and possibly others.  If you read 
init/main.c you see that for an initramfs, your initial process will be 
started from /init.

diff -urN linux-2.6.11-linux-mips.org/arch/mips/kernel/vmlinux.lds.S 
linux/arch/mips/kernel/vmlinux.lds.S
--- linux-2.6.11-linux-mips.org/arch/mips/kernel/vmlinux.lds.S 
2005-03-15 13:41:51.000000000 -0800
+++ linux/arch/mips/kernel/vmlinux.lds.S 2005-03-15 14:34:00.339164936 -0800
@@ -54,13 +54,6 @@

     *(.data)

-   /* Align the initial ramdisk image (INITRD) on page boundaries. */
-   . = ALIGN(4096);
-   __rd_start = .;
-   *(.initrd)
-   . = ALIGN(4096);
-   __rd_end = .;
-
     CONSTRUCTORS
   }
   _gp = . + 0x8000;
@@ -82,6 +75,13 @@

   _edata =  .;   /* End of data section */

+   /* Align the initial ramfs image on page boundaries. */
+   /* It will be freed by init/initramfs.c */
+  . = ALIGN(4096);
+  __initramfs_start = .;
+  .init.ramfs : { *(.init.ramfs) }
+  __initramfs_end = .;
+
   /* will be freed after init */
   . = ALIGN(4096);  /* Init code and data */
   __init_begin = .;
@@ -118,10 +118,6 @@
   .con_initcall.init : { *(.con_initcall.init) }
   __con_initcall_end = .;
   SECURITY_INIT
-  . = ALIGN(4096);
-  __initramfs_start = .;
-  .init.ramfs : { *(.init.ramfs) }
-  __initramfs_end = .;
   . = ALIGN(32);
   __per_cpu_start = .;
   .data.percpu  : { *(.data.percpu) }

Re: initrd problem

[Ralf Baechle]

On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 02:37:45PM -0800, Ed Martini wrote:

> Ok.  Then let's get rid of it completly, and provide a replacement that 
> works.

Way to go.

> There were vestiges of embedded initrd in the ld script that were 
> confusing when trying to sort things out. That, in conjunction with 
> Documentation/initrd.txt made it hard to discover early user space and 
> initramfs when coming from the old world (2.4).

Correct and I've applied that part of your patch already while thinking
about the problem you describe below.

> Also, unless you move the location of .init.ramfs, it gets freed twice, 
> leading to a panic.

Interesting one.  When I tested the code recently it did work for me and
it shouldn't have changed since.  The way this is supposed to work is
by setting the page_count to 1 by using set_page_count and unmarking the
page as reserved, so after that point a free_page should actually succeed -
even if done twice as you've observed, first in populate_rootfs then
once more in free_initmem.

It seems a frighteningly bad idea though since it relies on no memory
from the initrd range being allocated between the two calls - or it would
end being freed by force, in use or not.  On startup Linux tends to
allocate memory starting from high address towards low addresses which
must be why we usually get away with this one.

> From the documentation alone it's impossible to figure out how to build 
> your initramfs.  In various places the docs refer to the initial 
> executable as /linuxrc, /kinit, /init, and possibly others.  If you read 
> init/main.c you see that for an initramfs, your initial process will be 
> started from /init.

I guess I read the code so I didn't notice the lacking qualities of the
documentation ...

  Ralf

initrd/initramfs problem

[Ed Martini]

What fails is when CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD and CONFIG_INITRAMFS_SOURCE are 
both set.  I realize (now) that I don't need initrd at all, and 
initramfs works fine by itself, as you have tested.  It seems that the 
kernel may need some exclusion between these two mechanisms while the 
difference is sorted out.

I'm not totally up on Kconfig files, but maybe something like this in 
drivers/block/Kconfig:

config INITRAMFS_SOURCE
        string "Initramfs source file(s)"
        default ""
        depends on BLK_DEV_INITRD=n

Regarding the documenation it would have been helpful to me if 
Documentation/initrd.txt had a reference to 
Documentation/early-userspace/README.  I'm not sure who maintains that 
directory, or I'd send a suggestion.  tldp.org?

THX
Ed Martini


Original context: 
http://www.linux-mips.org/archives/linux-mips/2005-03/index.html


Ralf Baechle wrote:

>On Tue, Mar 15, 2005 at 02:37:45PM -0800, Ed Martini wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Also, unless you move the location of .init.ramfs, it gets freed twice, 
>>leading to a panic.
>>    
>>
>
>Interesting one.  When I tested the code recently it did work for me and
>it shouldn't have changed since.  The way this is supposed to work is
>by setting the page_count to 1 by using set_page_count and unmarking the
>page as reserved, so after that point a free_page should actually succeed -
>even if done twice as you've observed, first in populate_rootfs then
>once more in free_initmem.
>
>It seems a frighteningly bad idea though since it relies on no memory
>from the initrd range being allocated between the two calls - or it would
>end being freed by force, in use or not.  On startup Linux tends to
>allocate memory starting from high address towards low addresses which
>must be why we usually get away with this one.
>
>  
>
>>From the documentation alone it's impossible to figure out how to build 
>>your initramfs.  In various places the docs refer to the initial 
>>executable as /linuxrc, /kinit, /init, and possibly others.  If you read 
>>init/main.c you see that for an initramfs, your initial process will be 
>>started from /init.
>>    
>>
>
>I guess I read the code so I didn't notice the lacking qualities of the
>documentation ...
>
>  Ralf
>  
>

Observations on LLSC and SMP

[Ed Martini]

In include/asm-mips/ atomic.h, bitops.h and system.h there are a bunch 
of inline functions which contain this logic:

        if (cpu_has_llsc && R10000_LLSC_WAR) {
                __asm__ (stuff)
        } else if (cpu_has_llsc) {
                __asm__ (other stuff)
        } else {
                C lang stuff;
        }

My two observations relate to both code size and runtime performance.  
These observations don't affect my situation, so I'm not inclined to 
spend a bunch of time on it, but maybe someone else is interested.  This 
should be especially interesting since these inline functions are used 
all over the kernel, so it might actually make a marginally significant 
difference.

I suppose there's a reason this code is the way it is.  If so, feel free 
to ignore me or flame away.

1. If the first part of the if were an ifdef instead it would result in 
a code size reduction as well as a runtime performance gain.

2. In atomic.h the "C lang stuff" is wrapped with a spinlock.  In the 
SMP case the spinlock will result in code that contains ll and sc 
instructions, so I infer that there are no SMP system configs that use 
CPUs that don't have the ll and sc instructions. 

Paranoid version:
-----
        if (cpu_has_llsc) {
#ifdef R10000_LLSC_WAR
                __asm__ (stuff)
#else
                __asm__ (other stuff)
#endif
        } else {
#ifdef CONFIG_SMP
                panic("SMP on CPUs with no LLSC is broken\n");
#else
                C lang stuff;
#endif
        }
-----
Most efficient version:
-----
#ifndef CONFIG_SMP
        if (cpu_has_llsc)
#endif
        {
#ifdef R10000_LLSC_WAR
                __asm__ (stuff)
#else
                __asm__ (other stuff)
#endif
        }
-----

Re: Observations on LLSC and SMP

[Daniel Jacobowitz]

On Fri, Mar 25, 2005 at 11:24:05AM -0800, Ed Martini wrote:
> 1. If the first part of the if were an ifdef instead it would result in 
> a code size reduction as well as a runtime performance gain.

You should spend a little time playing with an optimizing compiler. 
They're capable of working out when a condition will always be false.

> 2. In atomic.h the "C lang stuff" is wrapped with a spinlock.  In the 
> SMP case the spinlock will result in code that contains ll and sc 
> instructions, so I infer that there are no SMP system configs that use 
> CPUs that don't have the ll and sc instructions. 

That's correct.  It is not practical to implement SMP without a mutex
primitive.


-- 
Daniel Jacobowitz
CodeSourcery, LLC

Re: Observations on LLSC and SMP

[Ed Martini]

Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:

>On Fri, Mar 25, 2005 at 11:24:05AM -0800, Ed Martini wrote:
>  
>
>>1. If the first part of the if were an ifdef instead it would result in 
>>a code size reduction as well as a runtime performance gain.
>>    
>>
>
>You should spend a little time playing with an optimizing compiler. 
>They're capable of working out when a condition will always be false.
>  
>
Yes, but in the case where R10000_LLSC_WAR is true, but cpu_has_llsc 
returns false there are still two wasted tests, and two blocks of code 
that the compiler can't optimize out.

Re: Observations on LLSC and SMP

[Daniel Jacobowitz]

On Fri, Mar 25, 2005 at 02:46:04PM -0800, Ed Martini wrote:
> Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
> 
> >On Fri, Mar 25, 2005 at 11:24:05AM -0800, Ed Martini wrote:
> > 
> >
> >>1. If the first part of the if were an ifdef instead it would result in 
> >>a code size reduction as well as a runtime performance gain.
> >>   
> >>
> >
> >You should spend a little time playing with an optimizing compiler. 
> >They're capable of working out when a condition will always be false.
> > 
> >
> Yes, but in the case where R10000_LLSC_WAR is true, but cpu_has_llsc 
> returns false there are still two wasted tests, and two blocks of code 
> that the compiler can't optimize out.

Not only is cpu_has_llsc often a constant, R10000_LLSC_WAR will never
be true if the CPU does not have LL/SC.

-- 
Daniel Jacobowitz
CodeSourcery, LLC

Re: initrd problem

[colin]

Hi Kumba,
I used your patch for 2.6.11 on MIPS kernel, and found that it lost the
definition "kernel_physaddr".
Could you tell me where is it?

Regards,
Colin



----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------


Ed Martini wrote:
> Background:
>
> I'm trying to get 2.6.11 to run on a MIPS Malta board with Yamon.  The
> kernel that comes with the board is 2.4.18 with an embedded ramdisk that
> runs some scripts to install RPMS via NFS or CD-ROM.  The kernel is
> converted to s-records via objcopy(1), and loaded into memory via tftp.
> I want to do something similar with 2.6.latest.
>
> Problem:
>
> On or about Nov 21 of last year, the CONFIG_EMBEDDED_RAMDISK disappeared.
>
> http://www.linux-mips.org/archives/linux-mips/2004-11/msg00135.html
>
> In it's place it is suggested to use the tools in arch/mips/boot, so I
> tried it.  I can cross-compile the kernel, and I get an ELF vmlinux.  I
> can convert it to ecoff with elf2ecoff, and attach an initrd image with
> addinitrd.  The problem begins here.  I end up with an ecoff format
> kernel which is not recognized by objcopy(1), and therefore no s-records.
>
> It seems there is a program called gensrec that would do the job, but
> google doesn't want to tell me where to get it.  Some IRIX binary perhaps?
>
> Solution?
>
> Should I put CONFIG_EMBEDDED_RAMDISK and its ilk back into my kernel, or
> write an ELF version of addinitrd?  Other ideas?
>
> Thanks in advance.

The future is purportedly in the feature known as initramfs.  See the file
Documentation/early-userpace/README for more details on how that is supposed
to work.

That said, I tried initramfs a few times, but either due to lack of
understanding, or broken support code in 2.6.10, I couldn't get it to
properly
load an initrd bundled in, so I forward-ported a patch I wrote that
originally
fixed CONFIG_EMBEDDED_RAMDISK to work with any ABI to 2.6.10, and it worked
rather well.  I'm sticking with this method until I find more/better docs on
how to use initramfs properly.

If you're interested, the patch I use can be found here:
http://dev.gentoo.org/~kumba/mips/misc/misc-2.6.10-add-ramdisk-back.patch
[2.6.10]
http://dev.gentoo.org/~kumba/mips/misc/misc-2.6.11-add-ramdisk-back.patch
[2.6.11]


--Kumba

Re: initrd problem

[colin]

Hi Kumba,
I used your patch for 2.6.11 on MIPS kernel, and found that it lost the
definition "kernel_physaddr".
Could you tell me where is it?

Regards,
Colin



----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------


Ed Martini wrote:
> Background:
>
> I'm trying to get 2.6.11 to run on a MIPS Malta board with Yamon.  The
> kernel that comes with the board is 2.4.18 with an embedded ramdisk that
> runs some scripts to install RPMS via NFS or CD-ROM.  The kernel is
> converted to s-records via objcopy(1), and loaded into memory via tftp.
> I want to do something similar with 2.6.latest.
>
> Problem:
>
> On or about Nov 21 of last year, the CONFIG_EMBEDDED_RAMDISK disappeared.
>
> http://www.linux-mips.org/archives/linux-mips/2004-11/msg00135.html
>
> In it's place it is suggested to use the tools in arch/mips/boot, so I
> tried it.  I can cross-compile the kernel, and I get an ELF vmlinux.  I
> can convert it to ecoff with elf2ecoff, and attach an initrd image with
> addinitrd.  The problem begins here.  I end up with an ecoff format
> kernel which is not recognized by objcopy(1), and therefore no s-records.
>
> It seems there is a program called gensrec that would do the job, but
> google doesn't want to tell me where to get it.  Some IRIX binary perhaps?
>
> Solution?
>
> Should I put CONFIG_EMBEDDED_RAMDISK and its ilk back into my kernel, or
> write an ELF version of addinitrd?  Other ideas?
>
> Thanks in advance.

The future is purportedly in the feature known as initramfs.  See the file
Documentation/early-userpace/README for more details on how that is supposed
to work.

That said, I tried initramfs a few times, but either due to lack of
understanding, or broken support code in 2.6.10, I couldn't get it to
properly
load an initrd bundled in, so I forward-ported a patch I wrote that
originally
fixed CONFIG_EMBEDDED_RAMDISK to work with any ABI to 2.6.10, and it worked
rather well.  I'm sticking with this method until I find more/better docs on
how to use initramfs properly.

If you're interested, the patch I use can be found here:
http://dev.gentoo.org/~kumba/mips/misc/misc-2.6.10-add-ramdisk-back.patch
[2.6.10]
http://dev.gentoo.org/~kumba/mips/misc/misc-2.6.11-add-ramdisk-back.patch
[2.6.11]


--Kumba