Re: Linux: the next step

Re: Linux: the next step

[Steve Alexander]

lm@gate1-neteng (Larry McVoy) writes:
>You'll have to borrow my copy, Usenix rejected it.  Fuckheads.

No doubt to make room for some paper on TCL scripts or something.  Feh.
Yeah, if you can make me a copy or convince the authors to send me one I'd
appreciate it.

>A more concrete example: IRIX syscall entry is something like 15-30 usecs,
>if I remember correctly.  On Linux, it's about .5 - 5 usecs.  In the
>Linux world, optimizations that made a 100% difference would be lost in
>the bloat in IRIX.  Does that mean that those optimizations are pointless?

To some degree, yes.  This is why application developers often have a lot of
platform-specific code; optimizations that work on one system won't necessarily
work on all systems.  I'm not saying this is good, mind you.

-- Steve

Re: Linux: the next step

[Steve Alexander]

lm@gate1-neteng (Larry McVoy) writes:
>You'll have to borrow my copy, Usenix rejected it.  Fuckheads.

No doubt to make room for some paper on TCL scripts or something.  Feh.
Yeah, if you can make me a copy or convince the authors to send me one I'd
appreciate it.

>A more concrete example: IRIX syscall entry is something like 15-30 usecs,
>if I remember correctly.  On Linux, it's about .5 - 5 usecs.  In the
>Linux world, optimizations that made a 100% difference would be lost in
>the bloat in IRIX.  Does that mean that those optimizations are pointless?

To some degree, yes.  This is why application developers often have a lot of
platform-specific code; optimizations that work on one system won't necessarily
work on all systems.  I'm not saying this is good, mind you.

-- Steve

Re: Linux: the next step

[Sandeep Cariapa]

On Aug 12,  2:20pm, Steve Alexander wrote:
> Subject: Re: Linux: the next step
> lm@gate1-neteng (Larry McVoy) writes:
> >You'll have to borrow my copy, Usenix rejected it.  Fuckheads.

No, tell us what you really feel Larry; don't hold back :-)

> No doubt to make room for some paper on TCL scripts or something.  Feh.
> Yeah, if you can make me a copy or convince the authors to send me one I'd
> appreciate it.

Larry, you might want to make this available to the entire Linux mailing
list; I suspect a lot more people would be interested in it. (I am too)
Regards,
Sandeep

>-- End of excerpt from Steve Alexander

Re: Linux: the next step

[John E. Schimmel]

> 
> lm@gate1-neteng (Larry McVoy) writes:
> >You'll have to borrow my copy, Usenix rejected it.  Fuckheads.
> 
> No doubt to make room for some paper on TCL scripts or something.  Feh.
> Yeah, if you can make me a copy or convince the authors to send me one I'd
> appreciate it.

Now wait a minute here.  Read the paper before commenting.
They create a "real-time" thread under Linux.  That does not
mean that it does anything, that the OS has real time support,
etc.  There was nothing particularly new about what it did.
There is now a Linux conference which should showcase this
sort of thing.  Usenix is for new and interesting work that
would be of interest to a large audience.

> 
> -- Steve
> 
> 

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Re: Linux: the next step

[John E. Schimmel]

> 
> lm@gate1-neteng (Larry McVoy) writes:
> >You'll have to borrow my copy, Usenix rejected it.  Fuckheads.
> 
> No doubt to make room for some paper on TCL scripts or something.  Feh.
> Yeah, if you can make me a copy or convince the authors to send me one I'd
> appreciate it.

Now wait a minute here.  Read the paper before commenting.
They create a "real-time" thread under Linux.  That does not
mean that it does anything, that the OS has real time support,
etc.  There was nothing particularly new about what it did.
There is now a Linux conference which should showcase this
sort of thing.  Usenix is for new and interesting work that
would be of interest to a large audience.

> 
> -- Steve
> 
> 

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Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)

[Seth Morabito]

Hey folks,

Just threw together two quick ideas for basics of Linux/SGI logos.
Feel free to take a peak at http://procyon.corp.sgi.com/linux/index.html

Anyone who'd like to send me their own Logo creation and a quick
snippet of text about it, feel free to do so, and I'll add them to
this page.

-Seth

-- 
--
Seth Morabito | Silicon Graphics | sethm@corp.sgi.com | (415) 933-7044

"I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Lisp has all the visual
appeal of oatmeal with fingernail clippings mixed in. (Other than that,
it's quite a nice language.)"  --  Larry Wall

Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)

[Alex deVries]

On Tue, 27 May 1997, Seth Morabito wrote:

> Just threw together two quick ideas for basics of Linux/SGI logos.
> Feel free to take a peak at http://procyon.corp.sgi.com/linux/index.html

Aw... too bad it's not reachable from the outside.

I'd be _happy_ to provide WWW space for it on the outside.

- Alex


      Alex deVries           National Capital Marathon _finisher_
  System Administrator       4 hours, 43 minutes and 53 seconds 
   The EngSoc Project                  of pain.

Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)

[Ralf Baechle]

> Just threw together two quick ideas for basics of Linux/SGI logos.
> Feel free to take a peak at http://procyon.corp.sgi.com/linux/index.html
> 
> Anyone who'd like to send me their own Logo creation and a quick
> snippet of text about it, feel free to do so, and I'll add them to
> this page.

Could you move the pages to a server that can be reached from outside
sgi.com?  Thanks,

  Ralf

Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)

[Ralf Baechle]

> Just threw together two quick ideas for basics of Linux/SGI logos.
> Feel free to take a peak at http://procyon.corp.sgi.com/linux/index.html
> 
> Anyone who'd like to send me their own Logo creation and a quick
> snippet of text about it, feel free to do so, and I'll add them to
> this page.

Could you move the pages to a server that can be reached from outside
sgi.com?  Thanks,

  Ralf

Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)

[Seth Morabito]

On May 27,  6:01pm, Alex deVries wrote:
> Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)
>
> On Tue, 27 May 1997, Seth Morabito wrote:
>
> Aw... too bad it's not reachable from the outside.
>
> I'd be _happy_ to provide WWW space for it on the outside.
>
> - Alex
>

Oops... sorry everyone on the outside world!  I'll be forwarding the
page to Alex so he can put them on his outside server.  He'll have more
details in a little while!

-Seth

-- 
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"I've said it before, and I'll say it again: Lisp has all the visual
appeal of oatmeal with fingernail clippings mixed in. (Other than that,
it's quite a nice language.)"  --  Larry Wall

Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)

[Mike Shaver]

Thus spake Ralf Baechle:
> > Just threw together two quick ideas for basics of Linux/SGI logos.
> > Feel free to take a peak at http://procyon.corp.sgi.com/linux/index.html
> > 
> > Anyone who'd like to send me their own Logo creation and a quick
> > snippet of text about it, feel free to do so, and I'll add them to
> > this page.
> 
> Could you move the pages to a server that can be reached from outside
> sgi.com?  Thanks,

http://neon.ingenia.ca/sgi-linux/logos/

Mike

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#>              Commando Developer - Whatever It Takes
#>                                                                     
#> "See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like
#>    Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too." - Linus Torvalds

Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)

[Mike Shaver]

Thus spake Ralf Baechle:
> > Just threw together two quick ideas for basics of Linux/SGI logos.
> > Feel free to take a peak at http://procyon.corp.sgi.com/linux/index.html
> > 
> > Anyone who'd like to send me their own Logo creation and a quick
> > snippet of text about it, feel free to do so, and I'll add them to
> > this page.
> 
> Could you move the pages to a server that can be reached from outside
> sgi.com?  Thanks,

http://neon.ingenia.ca/sgi-linux/logos/

Mike

-- 
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#>              Commando Developer - Whatever It Takes
#>                                                                     
#> "See, you not only have to be a good coder to create a system like
#>    Linux, you have to be a sneaky bastard too." - Linus Torvalds

Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)

[Steve Alexander]

"Alistair Lambie" <alambie@wellington.sgi.com> writes:
>The second one should be 'Powered by SGI!  Can we get the logo to spin....that
>would be cool!

I like the first one, myself.

Nothing warms a frosted penguin butt like an R10K.

-- Steve

Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)

[Steve Alexander]

"Alistair Lambie" <alambie@wellington.sgi.com> writes:
>The second one should be 'Powered by SGI!  Can we get the logo to spin....that
>would be cool!

I like the first one, myself.

Nothing warms a frosted penguin butt like an R10K.

-- Steve

Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)

[Alistair Lambie]

On May 28,  9:54am, Seth Morabito wrote:
> Subject: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)
> Hey folks,
>
> Just threw together two quick ideas for basics of Linux/SGI logos.
> Feel free to take a peak at http://procyon.corp.sgi.com/linux/index.html
>

The second one should be 'Powered by SGI!  Can we get the logo to spin....that
would be cool!

Cheers, Alistair


-- 
Alistair Lambie					    alambie@wellington.sgi.com
Silicon Graphics New Zealand				  SGI Voicemail: 56791
Level 5, Walsh Wrightson Tower,				    Ph: +64-4-802 1455
94-96 Dixon St, Wellington, NZ			  	   Fax: +64-4-802 1459

Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)

[Alistair Lambie]

On May 28,  9:54am, Seth Morabito wrote:
> Subject: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)
> Hey folks,
>
> Just threw together two quick ideas for basics of Linux/SGI logos.
> Feel free to take a peak at http://procyon.corp.sgi.com/linux/index.html
>

The second one should be 'Powered by SGI!  Can we get the logo to spin....that
would be cool!

Cheers, Alistair


-- 
Alistair Lambie					    alambie@wellington.sgi.com
Silicon Graphics New Zealand				  SGI Voicemail: 56791
Level 5, Walsh Wrightson Tower,				    Ph: +64-4-802 1455
94-96 Dixon St, Wellington, NZ			  	   Fax: +64-4-802 1459

Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)

[Alistair Lambie]

On May 28,  2:47pm, Steve Alexander wrote:
> Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)
> "Alistair Lambie" <alambie@wellington.sgi.com> writes:
> >The second one should be 'Powered by SGI!  Can we get the logo to
spin....that
> >would be cool!
>
> I like the first one, myself.
>
> Nothing warms a frosted penguin butt like an R10K.
>

Maybe we need a version with the penguin in the cage!  'SGI tames Linux'??

Alistair

-- 
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Silicon Graphics New Zealand				  SGI Voicemail: 56791
Level 5, Walsh Wrightson Tower,				    Ph: +64-4-802 1455
94-96 Dixon St, Wellington, NZ			  	   Fax: +64-4-802 1459

Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)

[Alistair Lambie]

On May 28,  2:47pm, Steve Alexander wrote:
> Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)
> "Alistair Lambie" <alambie@wellington.sgi.com> writes:
> >The second one should be 'Powered by SGI!  Can we get the logo to
spin....that
> >would be cool!
>
> I like the first one, myself.
>
> Nothing warms a frosted penguin butt like an R10K.
>

Maybe we need a version with the penguin in the cage!  'SGI tames Linux'??

Alistair

-- 
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Silicon Graphics New Zealand				  SGI Voicemail: 56791
Level 5, Walsh Wrightson Tower,				    Ph: +64-4-802 1455
94-96 Dixon St, Wellington, NZ			  	   Fax: +64-4-802 1459

Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)

[Donna Yobs]

On May 27,  7:45pm, Steve Alexander wrote:
> Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)
>
> Nothing warms a frosted penguin butt like an R10K.
>


Gee, and folks say sgi has no marketing slogans

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Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)

[Frank Chism]

> Ahhh...that's it...the penguin pushing the bars of the logo apart and breaking
> out.  Some sort of symbolism of Linux breaking down barriers??
> 
> Alistair
> 

Yeah, that's the ticket.  Penguin as superhero.  I love it!

Frank

Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)

[Alistair Lambie]

On May 29,  4:51am, Frank Chism wrote:
> Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)
> Alistair,
>
> The point is that it is a 'free' as in unemcumbered, system.
>
> No cages _please_!
>

Ahhh...that's it...the penguin pushing the bars of the logo apart and breaking
out.  Some sort of symbolism of Linux breaking down barriers??

Alistair

> Frank
> > From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com  Tue May 27 19:41:19 1997
> > From: "Alistair Lambie" <alambie@wellington.sgi.com>
> > Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 14:48:38 +0000
> > In-Reply-To: Steve Alexander <sca@refugee.engr.sgi.com>
> >         "Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)" (May 28,
 2:47pm)
> > References: <199705280245.TAA08534@refugee.engr.sgi.com>
> > To: Steve Alexander <sca@refugee.engr.sgi.com>
> > Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)
> > Cc: sethm@procyon.corp.sgi.com (Seth Morabito), linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com
> > Mime-Version: 1.0
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com
> > Precedence: bulk
> >
> > On May 28,  2:47pm, Steve Alexander wrote:
> > > Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)
> > > "Alistair Lambie" <alambie@wellington.sgi.com> writes:
> > > >The second one should be 'Powered by SGI!  Can we get the logo to
> > spin....that
> > > >would be cool!
> > >
> > > I like the first one, myself.
> > >
> > > Nothing warms a frosted penguin butt like an R10K.
> > >
> >
> > Maybe we need a version with the penguin in the cage!  'SGI tames Linux'??
> >
> > Alistair
> >
> > --
> > Alistair Lambie
				    alambie@wellington.sgi.com
> > Silicon Graphics New Zealand				  SGI
Voicemail: 56791
> > Level 5, Walsh Wrightson Tower,				    Ph:
+64-4-802 1455
> > 94-96 Dixon St, Wellington, NZ			  	   Fax:
+64-4-802 1459
> >
>-- End of excerpt from Frank Chism



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Silicon Graphics New Zealand				  SGI Voicemail: 56791
Level 5, Walsh Wrightson Tower,				    Ph: +64-4-802 1455
94-96 Dixon St, Wellington, NZ			  	   Fax: +64-4-802 1459

Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)

[Alistair Lambie]

On May 29,  4:51am, Frank Chism wrote:
> Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)
> Alistair,
>
> The point is that it is a 'free' as in unemcumbered, system.
>
> No cages _please_!
>

Ahhh...that's it...the penguin pushing the bars of the logo apart and breaking
out.  Some sort of symbolism of Linux breaking down barriers??

Alistair

> Frank
> > From owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com  Tue May 27 19:41:19 1997
> > From: "Alistair Lambie" <alambie@wellington.sgi.com>
> > Date: Wed, 28 May 1997 14:48:38 +0000
> > In-Reply-To: Steve Alexander <sca@refugee.engr.sgi.com>
> >         "Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)" (May 28,
 2:47pm)
> > References: <199705280245.TAA08534@refugee.engr.sgi.com>
> > To: Steve Alexander <sca@refugee.engr.sgi.com>
> > Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)
> > Cc: sethm@procyon.corp.sgi.com (Seth Morabito), linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com
> > Mime-Version: 1.0
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > Sender: owner-linux@cthulhu.engr.sgi.com
> > Precedence: bulk
> >
> > On May 28,  2:47pm, Steve Alexander wrote:
> > > Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)
> > > "Alistair Lambie" <alambie@wellington.sgi.com> writes:
> > > >The second one should be 'Powered by SGI!  Can we get the logo to
> > spin....that
> > > >would be cool!
> > >
> > > I like the first one, myself.
> > >
> > > Nothing warms a frosted penguin butt like an R10K.
> > >
> >
> > Maybe we need a version with the penguin in the cage!  'SGI tames Linux'??
> >
> > Alistair
> >
> > --
> > Alistair Lambie
				    alambie@wellington.sgi.com
> > Silicon Graphics New Zealand				  SGI
Voicemail: 56791
> > Level 5, Walsh Wrightson Tower,				    Ph:
+64-4-802 1455
> > 94-96 Dixon St, Wellington, NZ			  	   Fax:
+64-4-802 1459
> >
>-- End of excerpt from Frank Chism



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Level 5, Walsh Wrightson Tower,				    Ph: +64-4-802 1455
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Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)

[Alistair Lambie]

On May 29, 11:02am, Frank Chism wrote:
> Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)
> > Ahhh...that's it...the penguin pushing the bars of the logo apart and
breaking
> > out.  Some sort of symbolism of Linux breaking down barriers??
> >
> > Alistair
> >
>
> Yeah, that's the ticket.  Penguin as superhero.  I love it!
>

I can see it...a penguin with a cape with a big S flying out of the
'cage'....di we have an artist out there???

Alistair


-- 
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Silicon Graphics New Zealand				  SGI Voicemail: 56791
Level 5, Walsh Wrightson Tower,				    Ph: +64-4-802 1455
94-96 Dixon St, Wellington, NZ			  	   Fax: +64-4-802 1459

Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)

[Alistair Lambie]

On May 29, 11:02am, Frank Chism wrote:
> Subject: Re: Linux/SGI Logos (was: Re: strace/truss equiv?)
> > Ahhh...that's it...the penguin pushing the bars of the logo apart and
breaking
> > out.  Some sort of symbolism of Linux breaking down barriers??
> >
> > Alistair
> >
>
> Yeah, that's the ticket.  Penguin as superhero.  I love it!
>

I can see it...a penguin with a cape with a big S flying out of the
'cage'....di we have an artist out there???

Alistair


-- 
Alistair Lambie					    alambie@wellington.sgi.com
Silicon Graphics New Zealand				  SGI Voicemail: 56791
Level 5, Walsh Wrightson Tower,				    Ph: +64-4-802 1455
94-96 Dixon St, Wellington, NZ			  	   Fax: +64-4-802 1459

Re: Getting X on Linux/SGI

[Steve Alexander]

"Christopher W. Carlson" <carlson@heaven.newport.sgi.com> writes:
>My point was that SGI is into making hardware.  That's how it started
>and that is still its main focus.  Yes, it is true that our software
>is very important because it takes advantage of the proprietary stuff
>in the hardware, but the main income for SGI is hardware.

How many people buy the hardware and program the bare metal?

>Note in any
>press releases and stock holder's documents how much is said about the
>wonderful software SGI produces (Alias/Wavefront is still a separate
>entity).  You won't find much.

That's a separate issue, which is that very few people here value software.
That will probably change with time if the company is going to continue to
be successful as the industry shifts.

-- Steve

Re: Getting X on Linux/SGI

[Christopher W. Carlson]

On Jun 20, 12:21am, Steve Alexander wrote:
> Subject: Re: Getting X on Linux/SGI
> "Christopher W. Carlson" <carlson@heaven.newport.sgi.com> writes:
> >My point was that SGI is into making hardware.  That's how it started
> >and that is still its main focus.  Yes, it is true that our software
> >is very important because it takes advantage of the proprietary stuff
> >in the hardware, but the main income for SGI is hardware.
>
> How many people buy the hardware and program the bare metal?
>
> >Note in any
> >press releases and stock holder's documents how much is said about the
> >wonderful software SGI produces (Alias/Wavefront is still a separate
> >entity).  You won't find much.
>
> That's a separate issue, which is that very few people here value software.
> That will probably change with time if the company is going to continue to
> be successful as the industry shifts.
>
> -- Steve
>-- End of excerpt from Steve Alexander


Ah!  That's my point.  As a company, the hardware is valued but the
software isn't.  Just because we *give* software with our hardware
doesn't mean that we are a software oriented company.  We are
definitely hardware oriented.

I've been arguing the point that software is as much of value as
hardware for years.  Look at Bill Gates!  He didn't make it by selling
hardware.  Unfortunately, I've finally succumbed to the realization
that SGI is a hardware company first.

So, if one wants to make any points to upper management, it has to be
in terms of "how much hardware are we going to sell?"  If developing a
really powerful *free* operating system, such as Linux, will sell lots
of boxes, you can bet upper management will be interested.

-- 

		Chris Carlson

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Re: Getting X on Linux/SGI

[Martin Knoblauch]

Christopher W. Carlson wrote:
> 
> 
> Ah!  That's my point.  As a company, the hardware is valued but the
> software isn't.  Just because we *give* software with our hardware
> doesn't mean that we are a software oriented company.  We are
> definitely hardware oriented.
>

 I have to agree with Chris (a rarely do :-). Past behaviour
of SGI has been that of a "HW oriented Systems Vendor". Which
does not mean that the SW we ship is not important (to the
contrary), but revenue (and profit) come mostly from the sales of
HW.

 Only recently we seem to have discovered that some of our SW
products make us real profit. Now, should we transform ourselves
into a software company? I don't think so. I would like to
see us as a solutions provider (HW+base-SW+Added-Value+Support).
Long way to go for us.

> I've been arguing the point that software is as much of value as
> hardware for years.  Look at Bill Gates!  He didn't make it by selling
> hardware.  Unfortunately, I've finally succumbed to the realization
> that SGI is a hardware company first.
>

 Of course, he did not make his wealth by giving away the
software :-)
 
> So, if one wants to make any points to upper management, it has
> to be in terms of "how much hardware are we going to sell?"  If
> developing a really powerful *free* operating system, such as
> Linux, will sell lots of boxes, you can bet upper management
> will be interested.
> 

  Yes, the almighty god of the Businesscase :-)

Martin
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Re: Getting X on Linux/SGI

[Christopher W. Carlson]

On Jun 20,  1:20pm, Steve Alexander wrote:
> Subject: Re: Getting X on Linux/SGI
> "Christopher W. Carlson" <carlson@heaven.newport.sgi.com> writes:
> >Initially, I wouldn't buy an O2 to run Linux, either.  But, after a
> >while, I might consider puting Linux on it.  If Linux was pretty well
> >tuned (maybe not as well as IRIX but good enough) and I wanted to do
> >some kernel tinkering, you can bet Linux would at least be on a
> >partition.
>
> Why not just a PC?  Cheaper, more expansion, probably better performance for
> just plain kernel hacking.
>
> Unless you're doing graphics things, there's just no point in having an O2,
> IMO.
>
> -- Steve
>-- End of excerpt from Steve Alexander


Yes, that's why I might want to run Linux on an O2.  Since it isn't
even an option yet, I'd run IRIX (if I had an O2).  Also, if there was
some bug in IRIX that kept me from doing something but the bug didn't
exist in Linux, I might want to switch.  It is far easier (and
cheaper) to get a bug fixed in Linux than in IRIX.  Especially if you
can't afford the maintenance fees.

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