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From: "Theodore Tso" <tytso@mit.edu>
To: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Jaegeuk Kim <jaegeuk@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-f2fs-devel@lists.sourceforge.net,
	Akilesh Kailash <akailash@google.com>,
	linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] f2fs: another way to set large folio by remembering inode number
Date: Thu, 21 May 2026 11:57:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260521155748.GA79343@macsyma-wired.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ag7HfNryTmQ-bVIS@infradead.org>

On Thu, May 21, 2026 at 01:51:08AM -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> > You haven't sent a proposal.  This is a reply to a reply to a reply of a
> > patch.  There's no justification for why f2fs is so special that it
> > needs this.  What the hell is going on?  You know this is not the way to
> > get code merged into Linux.
> 
> None of this got properly answers, and this broken interface now landed
> in linux-next. IT is offloading a user.* xattr which is free-form
> user data with semantics that are weird to say it very nicely.
> 
> All this was done against the advice in the mailing list discussion.

So let me get this straight.  This is a magic xattr interface which is
not even persisted in the file system, but instead sets a 32-bit
bitmask in the struct inode which disappears once the inode gets
flushed from the inode stack.  And it uses a generic xattr name,
"user.fadvise".

There's no way in *hell* any other file system is likely to adopt such
a broken interface, so why didn't you just use an ioctl to set this
magic f2fs-specific flag?

> I think at some point we just need to stop taking f2fs updates likes
> this.

Well, that's ultiamtely up to Linus.  I'll say that if I were Linus
(and I'm glad I'm not :-), and I saw this in a pull request, I'd
reject it out of hand.  But whether it's worth making a huge fuss and
asking escalating this mess to Linus, we probably should get a bit
more community consensus before taking such a drastic step.

Christian, since you're one of the VFS maintaienrs, what's your
opinion about escalating this to Linus?

					- Ted


  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-21 15:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20260409134538.3692605-1-jaegeuk@kernel.org>
     [not found] ` <adhPZxtbZxgU-37v@google.com>
2026-04-14  8:02   ` [PATCH v2] f2fs: another way to set large folio by remembering inode number Christoph Hellwig
2026-04-15 16:44     ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-15 17:15       ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-15 22:02         ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-04-15 23:49           ` Darrick J. Wong
2026-04-16  1:19             ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-21  8:51         ` Christoph Hellwig
2026-05-21 15:57           ` Theodore Tso [this message]
2026-05-21 17:42             ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-22  3:59               ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-22 12:55                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-22 14:04                   ` [f2fs-dev] " Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-22  3:32             ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-22  3:53               ` Eric Biggers
2026-05-22  4:02                 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-22 10:01                 ` Christian Brauner
2026-05-22 14:11               ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-22 17:08                 ` Jaegeuk Kim
2026-05-22 22:41                   ` Theodore Tso
2026-05-22  9:59             ` Christian Brauner

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