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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>
Cc: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Peter Xu <peterx@redhat.com>, Alex Williamson <alex@shazbot.org>,
	Anthony Pighin <anthony.pighin@nokia.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Kefeng Wang <wangkefeng.wang@huawei.com>,
	kvm@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <liam@infradead.org>,
	Ryan Roberts <ryan.roberts@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] vfio: Request THP-aligned mmap for device fds
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2026 12:28:05 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260618152805.GF231643@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ajQDVAu9b-LX8gUQ@lucifer>

On Thu, Jun 18, 2026 at 03:55:58PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> > A pfn driver often has a single already known physical range that it
> > will use for the VMA and that range should drive the alignment
> > decision of the VMA.
> >
> > vfio in particular has common use cases where you want to mmap from
> > weird offsets, but we still want to achieve a VMA starting point that
> > has pa % PUD_SIZE == va % PUD_SIZE. It is impossible to do this if the
> > thing building info does not know pa.
> >
> > I do think it makes sense that no file provider should be computing
> > the VA area itself, I think I made that case when Peter was last
> > working on this. Now that we have Lorenzo's mmap changes maybe we
> > should be talking about supporting VFIO by having a callback to obtain
> > the starting pfn for the VMA. Usable only by drivers like VFIO that
> > are working with the pfn functions.
> 
> Can't we figure this out from what the driver tells us when it invokes an
> mmap_prepare action?

VFIO installs the pages via fault handler so there is not a naturally
existing way to pass in the pfn?

> Can't we figure it out from the PFN the driver tells mmap_prepare about?

Maybe it can pass the pfn anyhow and not have the mmap logic map
anything?

> > Maybe other users would prefer a 'max order' callback and then the mm
> > would assume the VMA will be popoulated with pgoff aligned folios up
> > to that highest order?
> 
> Not in favour of that, fear it'll be seen as a new go-faster stripe.  Ask
> somebody how many free pints they want and they may veer rather towards the
> upper bound :)

I think you need something, otherwise we will be aligning VMAs that
never have anything larger than a 2M THP to 1GB boundaries, doesn't
seem good.

Jason


      parent reply	other threads:[~2026-06-18 15:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20260616180129.160016-1-anthony.pighin@nokia.com>
     [not found] ` <20260616163054.77fdb61a@shazbot.org>
     [not found]   ` <ajKtdCN0AlbmBnAj@x1.local>
2026-06-17 18:34     ` [PATCH] vfio: Request THP-aligned mmap for device fds Matthew Wilcox
2026-06-17 19:29       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-06-18 14:55         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-18 15:04           ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-06-18 15:30             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-06-18 15:56               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-18 15:28           ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]

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