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From: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
To: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
Cc: Zach O'Keefe <zokeefe@google.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	David Stevens <stevensd@google.com>,
	Pasha Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>,
	Linus Walleij <linus.walleij@linaro.org>,
	Will Deacon <willdeacon@google.com>,
	Quentin Perret <qperret@google.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	Xin Li <xin@zytor.com>, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>,
	Mike Rapoport <rppt@kernel.org>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>, Kees Cook <kees@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 00/13] Dynamic Kernel Stacks
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2026 10:10:18 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260623101018.789a4094@pumpkin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d4926c7a-32e4-498d-be6c-ab2969c8f672@kernel.org>

On Tue, 23 Jun 2026 09:50:00 +0200
"David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org> wrote:

...
> There was some (hallway?) talk at LSF/MM about possibly removing direct reclaim,
> similar to how other operating systems handle it. Now, I don't know how feasible
> it is (I guess devil is in the detail ;) ), or any details how that would work,
> but direct reclaim was repeatedly called out as one of the main reasons we can
> get huge stacks.
> 
> So I guess direct reclaim (incl. compaction) is one of the main problematic
> pieces. Are we aware of other scenarios where we (easily) trigger consumption of
> larger stacks?

I suspect some printk in error paths could get problematic.
Especially if they involve direct writes to a non-trivial console
(does that happen any more??).
How much stack does dump_stack() need?

> Wild idea: as a first step to test the waters, use smaller stacks on selected
> kernel threads and disallow direct reclaim/compaction if the stack for the
> thread is small?

Or if there isn't much stack space left?

Isn't reclaim one of the places that is actually likely to exceed the stack
limit because it is unusual and won't be exercised at most of the kmalloc()
call sites?
One you get to the slow bits (especially ones that do IO) it is unlikely
that a context-switch to a special worker thread will make much difference.
(You might need to boost the thread priority based on the priority of the
waiting process.)

	David




  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-23  9:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-24 19:14 [PATCH v2 00/13] Dynamic Kernel Stacks David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 01/13] fork: Remove assumption that vm_area->nr_pages equals to THREAD_SIZE David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 02/13] fork: Don't assume fully populated stack during reuse David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 03/13] fork: Move vm_stack to the beginning of the stack David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 04/13] fork: separate vmap stack allocation and free calls David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 05/13] mm/vmalloc: Add a get_vm_area_node() and vmap_pages_range() public functions David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 06/13] fork: Move vmap stack freeing to work queue David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 07/13] fork: Dynamic Kernel Stacks David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 08/13] task_stack.h: Add stack_not_used() support for dynamic stack David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 09/13] fork: Dynamic Kernel Stack accounting David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 10/13] fork: Store task pointer in unpopulated stack ptes David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 11/13] x86/entry/fred: encode frame pointer on entry David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 12/13] x86: Add support for dynamic kernel stacks via FRED David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:14 ` [PATCH v2 13/13] x86: Add support for dynamic kernel stacks via IST David Stevens
2026-04-24 19:41 ` [PATCH v2 00/13] Dynamic Kernel Stacks Dave Hansen
2026-04-24 21:35   ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-04-24 22:21     ` Dave Hansen
2026-04-24 22:49       ` David Stevens
2026-04-24 22:26     ` David Laight
2026-04-24 23:06       ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-06-19  0:29       ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-19 19:56         ` Zach O'Keefe
2026-06-20  5:25         ` David Stevens
2026-06-20 23:22           ` Dave Hansen
2026-04-25  9:19   ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-04-27 16:17     ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-18 14:50       ` Zach O'Keefe
2026-06-18 18:53         ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-18 22:28           ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-06-19  0:40             ` David Stevens
2026-06-19  0:44               ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-06-19 12:45           ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-19 19:20             ` Zach O'Keefe
2026-06-19 21:59               ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-20  5:02                 ` David Stevens
2026-06-20 21:59                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-20 19:33                 ` Zach O'Keefe
2026-06-20 19:44                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-06-20 20:01                     ` Zach O'Keefe
2026-06-20 23:34                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-22 23:00                     ` Zach O'Keefe
2026-06-23  7:50                       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-23  9:10                         ` David Laight [this message]
2026-06-23  9:19                           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-27 16:31     ` Pasha Tatashin

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