From: Takahiro Itazuri <itazur@amazon.com>
To: Yosry Ahmed <yosry@kernel.org>
Cc: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 03/26] mm: introduce AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP
Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2026 17:05:58 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261013160557.54828-2-itazur@amazon.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAO9r8zPOkuRGv0X=nBbAzTUjUyaB7zAJLUigetSXEVPxWpyGxw@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, 13 Oct 2026 08:36:54 -0700, Yosry Ahmed <yosry@kernel.org> wrote:
> > 3. ALLOC_UNMAPPED and the mermap
> >
> > AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP itself works without them, by zapping the direct map
> > of each folio. However, guest_memfd will eventually need a temporary
> > kernel mapping to populate guest memory via write() [2], because
> > folios are already unmapped once they are added to the page cache.
[...]
>
> FWIW, I think the mermap can still be used without ALLOC_UNMAPPED, and
> I did have a newer version of the x86 patches repurposing the LDT area
> for the mermap, and simplifying the mermap implementation a bit. I can
> share them privately if you want to take a look.
Yes please, that would be very helpful. Thanks!
Agreed that the mermap can be used without ALLOC_UNMAPPED. To give a
bit more context from the guest_memfd side: I can't say anything
definite until I've gone through the use cases, but as far as I can
see now, guest_memfd needs the mermap only for write() support.
write() is an optimization for populating guest memory (e.g. when
restoring a snapshot) and isn't functionally required, because
userspace can also populate guest memory through its own mapping of
guest_memfd. So I currently plan to keep write() support, and with it
the mermap, out of the guest_memfd direct map removal series itself.
Since ALLOC_UNMAPPED is the main user of the mermap, it may make more
sense for the two to land together later.
One thing I'd like to look into is arm64. Firecracker also runs on
arm64, so write() needs to work there too, but the mermap currently
relies on the x86 mm-local region, and it sounds like your newer
version relies on the LDT area. Kevin, do you happen to have any
ideas on how something similar could be done on arm64?
Thanks,
Takahiro
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-13 16:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-07-26 22:22 [PATCH v3 00/26] mm: Add ALLOC_UNMAPPED and AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 01/26] set_memory: add folio_{zap,restore}_direct_map helpers Brendan Jackman
2026-07-27 10:33 ` Mike Rapoport
2026-07-29 11:42 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-30 20:34 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-31 5:21 ` Mike Rapoport
2026-07-31 11:57 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 02/26] mm/secretmem: make use of folio_{zap,restore}_direct_map Brendan Jackman
2026-07-27 10:40 ` Mike Rapoport
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 03/26] mm: introduce AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP Brendan Jackman
2026-07-30 21:06 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-31 12:15 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-31 19:28 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-07 0:02 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-07 0:13 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-07 0:19 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-07 0:29 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-07 14:26 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-07 18:12 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-07 18:49 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-07 19:39 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-07 22:44 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-07 22:48 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-09-03 7:26 ` Takahiro Itazuri
2026-09-03 14:06 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-09-03 14:25 ` Takahiro Itazuri
2026-09-15 16:01 ` Gregory Price
2026-10-05 20:11 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-10-13 15:25 ` Takahiro Itazuri
2026-10-13 15:36 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-10-13 16:05 ` Takahiro Itazuri [this message]
2026-10-13 16:09 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-08 13:56 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-10 21:39 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-10 21:46 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-13 15:32 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-13 17:25 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-08-18 0:32 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-18 10:41 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-02 16:10 ` Mike Rapoport
2026-08-08 0:19 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 04/26] x86/mm: split out preallocate_sub_pgd() Brendan Jackman
2026-07-31 22:10 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-13 15:42 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-18 0:30 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-02 16:13 ` Mike Rapoport
2026-08-13 15:46 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 05/26] x86: move PAE PMD preallocation defines to header Brendan Jackman
2026-07-31 23:59 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-13 15:49 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 06/26] x86/tlb: Expose some flush function declarations to modules Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 07/26] x86/mm: introduce mm-local region Brendan Jackman
2026-08-02 16:27 ` Mike Rapoport
2026-08-13 16:10 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03 22:29 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-13 16:23 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 08/26] x86/mm: move LDT remap into " Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03 22:33 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 09/26] mm: Create flags arg for __apply_to_page_range() Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 10/26] mm: Add more flags " Brendan Jackman
2026-08-04 0:08 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-13 16:40 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 11/26] x86/mm: introduce the mermap Brendan Jackman
2026-08-02 16:40 ` Mike Rapoport
2026-08-13 16:44 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-04 18:38 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 12/26] mm: KUnit tests for " Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 13/26] mm: introduce freetype_t Brendan Jackman
2026-08-04 22:23 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-14 10:37 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-18 0:35 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-09-03 8:00 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-09-03 13:30 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-04 23:02 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-14 10:48 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 14/26] mm: move migratetype definitions to freetype.h Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 15/26] mm/page_alloc: add support for freetypes with no freelist Brendan Jackman
2026-07-31 14:13 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 16/26] mm: add definitions for allocating unmapped pages Brendan Jackman
2026-08-04 19:53 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-14 11:22 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 17/26] mm: encode freetype flags in pageblock flags Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 18/26] mm/page_alloc: separate pcplists by freetype flags Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 19/26] mm/page_alloc: rename ALLOC_NON_BLOCK back to _HARDER Brendan Jackman
2026-07-31 14:52 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-03 9:20 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-04 21:50 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-14 12:09 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-18 0:45 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-18 10:58 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 20/26] mm/page_alloc: introduce ALLOC_NOBLOCK Brendan Jackman
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 21/26] mm/page_alloc: implement FREETYPE_UNMAPPED allocations Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03 9:18 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-15 14:12 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-04 23:41 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-07 0:05 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-14 12:31 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-04 23:53 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-05 16:13 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-15 14:28 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-18 0:55 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-18 11:03 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-18 17:51 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-25 20:01 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-07 0:16 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-15 14:30 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-18 0:50 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-12 21:26 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-15 14:43 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-18 0:49 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-08-18 1:01 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 22/26] mm: Minimal KUnit tests for some new page_alloc logic Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03 9:30 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 23/26] mm: Split out NR_FREE_PAGES_BLOCKS_[UN]MAPPED Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03 9:32 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 24/26] mm/page_alloc: always direct compact for unmapped allocs Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03 9:44 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-08-15 14:44 ` Brendan Jackman
2026-08-06 23:29 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 25/26] mm: plumb alloc flags into some alloc funcs Brendan Jackman
2026-08-03 9:52 ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-07-26 22:22 ` [PATCH v3 26/26] mm: add fast path for AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP Brendan Jackman
2026-08-08 0:06 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-07-29 11:52 ` [PATCH v3 00/26] mm: Add ALLOC_UNMAPPED and AS_NO_DIRECT_MAP Brendan Jackman
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