From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: "Gregory Price (Meta)" <gourry@gourry.net>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
kernel-team@meta.com, leon@kernel.org, akpm@linux-foundation.org,
david@kernel.org, kas@kernel.org, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com,
bp@alien8.de, rppt@kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org,
"Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mm/hmm: reject shadow-stack mappings
Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2026 20:20:27 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261114002027.GE3706007@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <179460249376.482102.14669935557901467762.b4-reply@b4>
On Fri, Nov 13, 2026 at 03:41:33PM -0500, Gregory Price (Meta) wrote:
> On 2026-11-13 16:03 -0400, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 13, 2026 at 02:55:36PM -0500, Gregory Price (Meta) wrote:
> > > HMM can grant ordinary device write access to a userspace shadow stack.
> > > On x86, pte_write() is true for a shadow-stack PTE, so a populated page
> > > can be returned with HMM_PFN_WRITE without taking a CPU write fault.
> >
> > I'm not sure I understand this? The pte is writable but you don't want
> > only DMA to write to it?
> >
> > Is there something special on x86 that makes the shadow stack pte
> > non-writable by the CPU?
> >
>
> Some of the context is here:
> https://lore.kernel.org/all/20261111-mason-migrate-et-al-fixes-v1-10-3d2454362e8d@kernel.org/
>
> We had a similar issue with migration, but this should handle the DMA
> case as well.
>
> It's "technically writable" but the kernel is supposed to prevent that.
Bah, it's not writable at all. The CPU PTE has write disabled and
someone thought it was a good idea to make pte_write() return true
because the CPU allows writes through a special instruction on this
special PTE? So now all the places like this think its writable, when
it really isn't.
You could also fix this by having something like pte_real_write() or
whatever that doesn't lie about the write bit in the PTE :|
The patch is still fine, in that it matches what everything else does,
but I'd include these details someplace..
Jason
prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-11-14 0:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-11-13 19:55 [PATCH] mm/hmm: reject shadow-stack mappings Gregory Price (Meta)
2026-11-13 19:57 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-11-13 20:15 ` Gregory Price (Meta)
2026-11-13 20:03 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-11-13 20:42 ` Gregory Price (Meta)
2026-11-13 21:19 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-11-13 20:03 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-11-13 20:41 ` Gregory Price (Meta)
2026-11-14 0:20 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
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