* [PATCH] mm/mglru: Fix young counter undercount for large folios @ 2026-08-12 6:59 Hui Zhu 2026-08-12 10:17 ` Baolin Wang 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Hui Zhu @ 2026-08-12 6:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrew Morton, Johannes Weiner, David Hildenbrand, Michal Hocko, Qi Zheng, Shakeel Butt, Lorenzo Stoakes, Kairui Song, Barry Song, Axel Rasmussen, Yuanchu Xie, Wei Xu, linux-mm, linux-kernel Cc: Hui Zhu From: Hui Zhu <zhuhui@kylinos.cn> In lru_gen_look_around(), the young counter tracks the number of young PTEs. The original folio's contribution is represented by the initial value of young: test_and_clear_young_ptes_notify() is called on it at function entry, and the function returns early if it is not young. In the subsequent loop, the original folio is skipped (its accessed bits were already cleared), so it is not double-counted. However, young is initialized to 1 regardless of the folio size. When the original folio is a large folio with nr PTEs, its young count is underestimated by nr - 1. This inconsistency can cause suitable_to_scan() to return false, preventing the PMD from being added to the bloom filter and reducing aging accuracy for mTHP workloads. Initialize young to nr so the original folio is accounted the same way as other young folios in the loop (young += nr). Signed-off-by: Hui Zhu <zhuhui@kylinos.cn> --- mm/vmscan.c | 2 +- 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/mm/vmscan.c b/mm/vmscan.c index bc324e37c5f1..264017850a55 100644 --- a/mm/vmscan.c +++ b/mm/vmscan.c @@ -4192,7 +4192,7 @@ bool lru_gen_look_around(struct page_vma_mapped_walk *pvmw, unsigned int nr) unsigned long end; struct lru_gen_mm_walk *walk; struct folio *last = NULL; - int young = 1; + int young = nr; pte_t *pte = pvmw->pte; unsigned long addr = pvmw->address; struct vm_area_struct *vma = pvmw->vma; -- 2.53.0 ^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [PATCH] mm/mglru: Fix young counter undercount for large folios 2026-08-12 6:59 [PATCH] mm/mglru: Fix young counter undercount for large folios Hui Zhu @ 2026-08-12 10:17 ` Baolin Wang 2026-08-13 0:53 ` Barry Song 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Baolin Wang @ 2026-08-12 10:17 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Hui Zhu, Andrew Morton, Johannes Weiner, David Hildenbrand, Michal Hocko, Qi Zheng, Shakeel Butt, Lorenzo Stoakes, Kairui Song, Barry Song, Axel Rasmussen, Yuanchu Xie, Wei Xu, linux-mm, linux-kernel Cc: Hui Zhu On 8/12/26 2:59 PM, Hui Zhu wrote: > From: Hui Zhu <zhuhui@kylinos.cn> > > In lru_gen_look_around(), the young counter tracks the number of young > PTEs. The original folio's contribution is represented by the initial > value of young: test_and_clear_young_ptes_notify() is called on it at > function entry, and the function returns early if it is not young. In > the subsequent loop, the original folio is skipped (its accessed bits > were already cleared), so it is not double-counted. > > However, young is initialized to 1 regardless of the folio size. When > the original folio is a large folio with nr PTEs, its young count is > underestimated by nr - 1. This inconsistency can cause > suitable_to_scan() to return false, preventing the PMD from being added > to the bloom filter and reducing aging accuracy for mTHP workloads. > > Initialize young to nr so the original folio is accounted the same way > as other young folios in the loop (young += nr). > > Signed-off-by: Hui Zhu <zhuhui@kylinos.cn> > --- Good catch. Please also add the Fixes tag: Fixes: 56e5b60b2114 ("mm: support batched checking of the young flag for MGLRU") With that, Reviewed-by: Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com> > mm/vmscan.c | 2 +- > 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-) > > diff --git a/mm/vmscan.c b/mm/vmscan.c > index bc324e37c5f1..264017850a55 100644 > --- a/mm/vmscan.c > +++ b/mm/vmscan.c > @@ -4192,7 +4192,7 @@ bool lru_gen_look_around(struct page_vma_mapped_walk *pvmw, unsigned int nr) > unsigned long end; > struct lru_gen_mm_walk *walk; > struct folio *last = NULL; > - int young = 1; > + int young = nr; > pte_t *pte = pvmw->pte; > unsigned long addr = pvmw->address; > struct vm_area_struct *vma = pvmw->vma; ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [PATCH] mm/mglru: Fix young counter undercount for large folios 2026-08-12 10:17 ` Baolin Wang @ 2026-08-13 0:53 ` Barry Song 2026-08-13 1:09 ` Baolin Wang 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Barry Song @ 2026-08-13 0:53 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Baolin Wang Cc: Hui Zhu, Andrew Morton, Johannes Weiner, David Hildenbrand, Michal Hocko, Qi Zheng, Shakeel Butt, Lorenzo Stoakes, Kairui Song, Axel Rasmussen, Yuanchu Xie, Wei Xu, linux-mm, linux-kernel, Hui Zhu On Wed, Aug 12, 2026 at 6:17 PM Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com> wrote: > > > > On 8/12/26 2:59 PM, Hui Zhu wrote: > > From: Hui Zhu <zhuhui@kylinos.cn> > > > > In lru_gen_look_around(), the young counter tracks the number of young > > PTEs. The original folio's contribution is represented by the initial > > value of young: test_and_clear_young_ptes_notify() is called on it at > > function entry, and the function returns early if it is not young. In > > the subsequent loop, the original folio is skipped (its accessed bits > > were already cleared), so it is not double-counted. > > > > However, young is initialized to 1 regardless of the folio size. When > > the original folio is a large folio with nr PTEs, its young count is > > underestimated by nr - 1. This inconsistency can cause > > suitable_to_scan() to return false, preventing the PMD from being added > > to the bloom filter and reducing aging accuracy for mTHP workloads. > > > > Initialize young to nr so the original folio is accounted the same way > > as other young folios in the loop (young += nr). > > > > Signed-off-by: Hui Zhu <zhuhui@kylinos.cn> > > --- > > Good catch. Please also add the Fixes tag: > > Fixes: 56e5b60b2114 ("mm: support batched checking of the young flag for > MGLRU") > > With that, > Reviewed-by: Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com> Hi Baolin, Hui, I am not convinced this is the correct patch. test_and_clear_young_ptes_notify() only indicates that there is at least one young PTE among the nr PTEs; it does not mean that all of the PTEs are young. Am I missing something? bool contpte_test_and_clear_young_ptes(struct vm_area_struct *vma, unsigned long addr, pte_t *ptep, unsigned int nr) { ... unsigned long end = addr + nr * PAGE_SIZE; bool young = false; ptep = contpte_align_addr_ptep(&addr, &end, ptep, nr); for (; addr != end; ptep++, addr += PAGE_SIZE) young |= __ptep_test_and_clear_young(vma, addr, ptep); return young; } EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(contpte_test_and_clear_young_ptes); > > > mm/vmscan.c | 2 +- > > 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-) > > > > diff --git a/mm/vmscan.c b/mm/vmscan.c > > index bc324e37c5f1..264017850a55 100644 > > --- a/mm/vmscan.c > > +++ b/mm/vmscan.c > > @@ -4192,7 +4192,7 @@ bool lru_gen_look_around(struct page_vma_mapped_walk *pvmw, unsigned int nr) > > unsigned long end; > > struct lru_gen_mm_walk *walk; > > struct folio *last = NULL; > > - int young = 1; > > + int young = nr; > > pte_t *pte = pvmw->pte; > > unsigned long addr = pvmw->address; > > struct vm_area_struct *vma = pvmw->vma; > Thanks Barry ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [PATCH] mm/mglru: Fix young counter undercount for large folios 2026-08-13 0:53 ` Barry Song @ 2026-08-13 1:09 ` Baolin Wang 2026-08-13 1:20 ` Barry Song 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Baolin Wang @ 2026-08-13 1:09 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Barry Song Cc: Hui Zhu, Andrew Morton, Johannes Weiner, David Hildenbrand, Michal Hocko, Qi Zheng, Shakeel Butt, Lorenzo Stoakes, Kairui Song, Axel Rasmussen, Yuanchu Xie, Wei Xu, linux-mm, linux-kernel, Hui Zhu On 8/13/26 8:53 AM, Barry Song wrote: > On Wed, Aug 12, 2026 at 6:17 PM Baolin Wang > <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 8/12/26 2:59 PM, Hui Zhu wrote: >>> From: Hui Zhu <zhuhui@kylinos.cn> >>> >>> In lru_gen_look_around(), the young counter tracks the number of young >>> PTEs. The original folio's contribution is represented by the initial >>> value of young: test_and_clear_young_ptes_notify() is called on it at >>> function entry, and the function returns early if it is not young. In >>> the subsequent loop, the original folio is skipped (its accessed bits >>> were already cleared), so it is not double-counted. >>> >>> However, young is initialized to 1 regardless of the folio size. When >>> the original folio is a large folio with nr PTEs, its young count is >>> underestimated by nr - 1. This inconsistency can cause >>> suitable_to_scan() to return false, preventing the PMD from being added >>> to the bloom filter and reducing aging accuracy for mTHP workloads. >>> >>> Initialize young to nr so the original folio is accounted the same way >>> as other young folios in the loop (young += nr). >>> >>> Signed-off-by: Hui Zhu <zhuhui@kylinos.cn> >>> --- >> >> Good catch. Please also add the Fixes tag: >> >> Fixes: 56e5b60b2114 ("mm: support batched checking of the young flag for >> MGLRU") >> >> With that, >> Reviewed-by: Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com> > > Hi Baolin, Hui, > > I am not convinced this is the correct patch. test_and_clear_young_ptes_notify() > only indicates that there is at least one young PTE among the nr PTEs; > it does not mean that all of the PTEs are young. > > Am I missing something? You are right. But I explained why this is done in my original commit 56e5b60b2114: " Note that we also update the 'young' counter and 'mm_stats[MM_LEAF_YOUNG]' counter with the batched count in the lru_gen_look_around() and walk_pte_range(). However, the batched operations may inflate these two counters, because in a large folio not all PTEs may have been accessed. (Additionally, tracking how many PTEs have been accessed within a large folio is not very meaningful, since the mm core actually tracks access/dirty on a per-folio basis, not per page). The impact analysis is as follows: 1. The 'mm_stats[MM_LEAF_YOUNG]' counter has no functional impact and is mainly for debugging. 2. The 'young' counter is used to decide whether to place the current PMD entry into the bloom filters by suitable_to_scan() (so that next time we can check whether it has been accessed again), which may set the hash bit in the bloom filters for a PMD entry that hasn't seen much access. However, bloom filters inherently allow some error, so this effect appears negligible. " Based on this, I think changing it to 'nr' is reasonable. For an accessed large folio, it's better to have the bloom filter rescan the PMD and keep it in memory instead of reclaiming it incorrectly. > bool contpte_test_and_clear_young_ptes(struct vm_area_struct *vma, > unsigned long addr, pte_t *ptep, unsigned int nr) > { > ... > unsigned long end = addr + nr * PAGE_SIZE; > bool young = false; > > ptep = contpte_align_addr_ptep(&addr, &end, ptep, nr); > for (; addr != end; ptep++, addr += PAGE_SIZE) > young |= __ptep_test_and_clear_young(vma, addr, ptep); > > return young; > } > EXPORT_SYMBOL_GPL(contpte_test_and_clear_young_ptes); > >> >>> mm/vmscan.c | 2 +- >>> 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-) >>> >>> diff --git a/mm/vmscan.c b/mm/vmscan.c >>> index bc324e37c5f1..264017850a55 100644 >>> --- a/mm/vmscan.c >>> +++ b/mm/vmscan.c >>> @@ -4192,7 +4192,7 @@ bool lru_gen_look_around(struct page_vma_mapped_walk *pvmw, unsigned int nr) >>> unsigned long end; >>> struct lru_gen_mm_walk *walk; >>> struct folio *last = NULL; >>> - int young = 1; >>> + int young = nr; >>> pte_t *pte = pvmw->pte; >>> unsigned long addr = pvmw->address; >>> struct vm_area_struct *vma = pvmw->vma; >> > > Thanks > Barry ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [PATCH] mm/mglru: Fix young counter undercount for large folios 2026-08-13 1:09 ` Baolin Wang @ 2026-08-13 1:20 ` Barry Song 2026-08-13 1:31 ` Baolin Wang 0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Barry Song @ 2026-08-13 1:20 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Baolin Wang Cc: Hui Zhu, Andrew Morton, Johannes Weiner, David Hildenbrand, Michal Hocko, Qi Zheng, Shakeel Butt, Lorenzo Stoakes, Kairui Song, Axel Rasmussen, Yuanchu Xie, Wei Xu, linux-mm, linux-kernel, Hui Zhu On Thu, Aug 13, 2026 at 9:09 AM Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com> wrote: > > > > On 8/13/26 8:53 AM, Barry Song wrote: > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2026 at 6:17 PM Baolin Wang > > <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> On 8/12/26 2:59 PM, Hui Zhu wrote: > >>> From: Hui Zhu <zhuhui@kylinos.cn> > >>> > >>> In lru_gen_look_around(), the young counter tracks the number of young > >>> PTEs. The original folio's contribution is represented by the initial > >>> value of young: test_and_clear_young_ptes_notify() is called on it at > >>> function entry, and the function returns early if it is not young. In > >>> the subsequent loop, the original folio is skipped (its accessed bits > >>> were already cleared), so it is not double-counted. > >>> > >>> However, young is initialized to 1 regardless of the folio size. When > >>> the original folio is a large folio with nr PTEs, its young count is > >>> underestimated by nr - 1. This inconsistency can cause > >>> suitable_to_scan() to return false, preventing the PMD from being added > >>> to the bloom filter and reducing aging accuracy for mTHP workloads. > >>> > >>> Initialize young to nr so the original folio is accounted the same way > >>> as other young folios in the loop (young += nr). > >>> > >>> Signed-off-by: Hui Zhu <zhuhui@kylinos.cn> > >>> --- > >> > >> Good catch. Please also add the Fixes tag: > >> > >> Fixes: 56e5b60b2114 ("mm: support batched checking of the young flag for > >> MGLRU") > >> > >> With that, > >> Reviewed-by: Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com> > > > > Hi Baolin, Hui, > > > > I am not convinced this is the correct patch. test_and_clear_young_ptes_notify() > > only indicates that there is at least one young PTE among the nr PTEs; > > it does not mean that all of the PTEs are young. > > > > Am I missing something? > > You are right. But I explained why this is done in my original commit > 56e5b60b2114: > > " > Note that we also update the 'young' counter and > 'mm_stats[MM_LEAF_YOUNG]' counter with the batched count in the > lru_gen_look_around() and walk_pte_range(). However, the batched > operations may inflate these two counters, because in a large folio not > all PTEs may have been accessed. (Additionally, tracking how many PTEs > have been accessed within a large folio is not very meaningful, since > the mm core actually tracks access/dirty on a per-folio basis, not per > page). The impact analysis is as follows: > > 1. The 'mm_stats[MM_LEAF_YOUNG]' counter has no functional impact and is > mainly for debugging. > > 2. The 'young' counter is used to decide whether to place the current > PMD entry into the bloom filters by suitable_to_scan() (so that next > time we can check whether it has been accessed again), which may set the > hash bit in the bloom filters for a PMD entry that hasn't seen much > access. However, bloom filters inherently allow some error, so this > effect appears negligible. > " > > Based on this, I think changing it to 'nr' is reasonable. For an > accessed large folio, it's better to have the bloom filter rescan the > PMD and keep it in memory instead of reclaiming it incorrectly. > I am not sure if this is the best policy, but we don't seem to have a practical way to get the exact number of accessed PTEs, so this may be acceptable. However, could we at least update the changelog to clarify that this is intentional? " However, young is initialized to 1 regardless of the folio size. When the original folio is a large folio with nr PTEs, its young count is underestimated by nr - 1. This inconsistency can cause suitable_to_scan() to return false, preventing the PMD from being added" Its young count is not underestimated; we are intentionally overestimating it. Also, nr does not necessarily equal folio_nr_pages(), does it? ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [PATCH] mm/mglru: Fix young counter undercount for large folios 2026-08-13 1:20 ` Barry Song @ 2026-08-13 1:31 ` Baolin Wang 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Baolin Wang @ 2026-08-13 1:31 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Barry Song Cc: Hui Zhu, Andrew Morton, Johannes Weiner, David Hildenbrand, Michal Hocko, Qi Zheng, Shakeel Butt, Lorenzo Stoakes, Kairui Song, Axel Rasmussen, Yuanchu Xie, Wei Xu, linux-mm, linux-kernel, Hui Zhu On 8/13/26 9:20 AM, Barry Song wrote: > On Thu, Aug 13, 2026 at 9:09 AM Baolin Wang > <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> On 8/13/26 8:53 AM, Barry Song wrote: >>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2026 at 6:17 PM Baolin Wang >>> <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8/12/26 2:59 PM, Hui Zhu wrote: >>>>> From: Hui Zhu <zhuhui@kylinos.cn> >>>>> >>>>> In lru_gen_look_around(), the young counter tracks the number of young >>>>> PTEs. The original folio's contribution is represented by the initial >>>>> value of young: test_and_clear_young_ptes_notify() is called on it at >>>>> function entry, and the function returns early if it is not young. In >>>>> the subsequent loop, the original folio is skipped (its accessed bits >>>>> were already cleared), so it is not double-counted. >>>>> >>>>> However, young is initialized to 1 regardless of the folio size. When >>>>> the original folio is a large folio with nr PTEs, its young count is >>>>> underestimated by nr - 1. This inconsistency can cause >>>>> suitable_to_scan() to return false, preventing the PMD from being added >>>>> to the bloom filter and reducing aging accuracy for mTHP workloads. >>>>> >>>>> Initialize young to nr so the original folio is accounted the same way >>>>> as other young folios in the loop (young += nr). >>>>> >>>>> Signed-off-by: Hui Zhu <zhuhui@kylinos.cn> >>>>> --- >>>> >>>> Good catch. Please also add the Fixes tag: >>>> >>>> Fixes: 56e5b60b2114 ("mm: support batched checking of the young flag for >>>> MGLRU") >>>> >>>> With that, >>>> Reviewed-by: Baolin Wang <baolin.wang@linux.alibaba.com> >>> >>> Hi Baolin, Hui, >>> >>> I am not convinced this is the correct patch. test_and_clear_young_ptes_notify() >>> only indicates that there is at least one young PTE among the nr PTEs; >>> it does not mean that all of the PTEs are young. >>> >>> Am I missing something? >> >> You are right. But I explained why this is done in my original commit >> 56e5b60b2114: >> >> " >> Note that we also update the 'young' counter and >> 'mm_stats[MM_LEAF_YOUNG]' counter with the batched count in the >> lru_gen_look_around() and walk_pte_range(). However, the batched >> operations may inflate these two counters, because in a large folio not >> all PTEs may have been accessed. (Additionally, tracking how many PTEs >> have been accessed within a large folio is not very meaningful, since >> the mm core actually tracks access/dirty on a per-folio basis, not per >> page). The impact analysis is as follows: >> >> 1. The 'mm_stats[MM_LEAF_YOUNG]' counter has no functional impact and is >> mainly for debugging. >> >> 2. The 'young' counter is used to decide whether to place the current >> PMD entry into the bloom filters by suitable_to_scan() (so that next >> time we can check whether it has been accessed again), which may set the >> hash bit in the bloom filters for a PMD entry that hasn't seen much >> access. However, bloom filters inherently allow some error, so this >> effect appears negligible. >> " >> >> Based on this, I think changing it to 'nr' is reasonable. For an >> accessed large folio, it's better to have the bloom filter rescan the >> PMD and keep it in memory instead of reclaiming it incorrectly. >> > > I am not sure if this is the best policy, but we don't seem to have > a practical way to get the exact number of accessed PTEs, so this may > be acceptable. As I mentioned earlier, it seems unnecessary to implement this, since core-mm tracks access flag at per-folio granularity. Moreover, bloom filter itself allows for some error. However, could we at least update the changelog to > clarify that this is intentional? > > " However, young is initialized to 1 regardless of the folio size. When > the original folio is a large folio with nr PTEs, its young count is > underestimated by nr - 1. This inconsistency can cause > suitable_to_scan() to return false, preventing the PMD from being added" Agree. Looks better. > Its young count is not underestimated; we are intentionally > overestimating it. Also, nr does not necessarily equal > folio_nr_pages(), does it? Right. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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