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From: "Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)" <vbabka@kernel.org>
To: Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>
Cc: "Harry Yoo (Oracle)" <harry@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@gentwo.org>,
	David Rientjes <rientjes@google.com>,
	Roman Gushchin <roman.gushchin@linux.dev>,
	Hao Li <hao.li@linux.dev>, Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Uladzislau Rezki <urezki@gmail.com>,
	"Paul E . McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Neeraj Upadhyay <neeraj.upadhyay@kernel.org>,
	Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>,
	Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun@kernel.org>, Zqiang <qiang.zhang@linux.dev>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	Lai Jiangshan <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	rcu@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm <linux-mm@kvack.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/8] mm/slab: make kfree_rcu_nolock() work with sheaves
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2026 17:08:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <6811cc17-8ee4-48c8-8cbf-6bf4d9f98162@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAADnVQL6iajm6L+VzqRB4b-u8OPhQSnUASnfciKGeRR4EDOutA@mail.gmail.com>

On 4/27/26 16:45, Alexei Starovoitov wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2026 at 2:53 PM Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
> <vbabka@kernel.org> wrote:
>> >> @@ -5973,6 +5977,12 @@ bool __kfree_rcu_sheaf(struct kmem_cache *s, void *obj)
>> >>      if (likely(rcu_sheaf->size < s->sheaf_capacity)) {
>> >>              rcu_sheaf = NULL;
>> >>      } else {
>> >> +            if (unlikely(!allow_spin)) {
>> >> +                    /* call_rcu() cannot be called in an unknown context */
>> >> +                    rcu_sheaf->size--;
>> >> +                    local_unlock(&s->cpu_sheaves->lock);
>> >> +                    goto fail;
>> >> +            }
>>
>> ... this part, so an unconditional allow_spin=false on RT would only fill
>> the rcu_sheaf once and then stop working.
>>
>> However, can we condition this on in_nmi() or something, and pretend the
>> other cases of "unknown context" exist? Installing BPF hooks
>> allocating/freeing memory into call_rcu() internals sounds crazy, no?
> 
> Unfortunately no. People attach to tracepoint lock contention
> which can be inside call_rcu.
> As discussed call_rcu_nolock() is only way forward.

Alright. But we assume those tracepoint-attached callers know to use
kfree_rcu_nolock(), while kfree_rcu() callers under PREEMPT_RT can still
assume it's not called in NMI or tracepoint-attached context, right?

So I think what __kfree_rcu_sheaf() could do is
- with CONFIG_PREEMPT_RT, treat allow_spin == true as allow_spin == false
for purposes of barn_get_empty_sheaf() and to bail out before trying
alloc_empty_sheaf() - this is to avoid any lock activity that's not a trylock.
- allow_spin controls ability to do call_rcu() as above, regardless of
PREEMPT_RT, to avoid it from kfree_rcu_nolock()


  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-27 15:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 39+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-16  9:10 [RFC PATCH v2 0/8] kvfree_rcu() improvements Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-16  9:10 ` [PATCH 1/8] mm/slab: introduce k[v]free_rcu() with struct rcu_ptr Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-22 14:41   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-04-23  1:36     ` Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-16  9:10 ` [PATCH 2/8] fs/dcache: use rcu_ptr instead of rcu_head for external names Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-21 20:21   ` Al Viro
2026-04-22  1:16     ` Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-16  9:10 ` [PATCH 3/8] mm/slab: move kfree_rcu_cpu[_work] definitions Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-16  9:10 ` [PATCH 4/8] mm/slab: introduce kfree_rcu_nolock() Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-21 22:46   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-04-21 23:10     ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-04-21 23:14       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-04-22  3:02       ` Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-22 14:42   ` Uladzislau Rezki
2026-04-23  1:08     ` Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-23  1:56       ` Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-27 18:08         ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-04-27 18:51           ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-04-23  2:14       ` Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-23  4:23     ` Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-23 11:35       ` Uladzislau Rezki
2026-04-28 13:12         ` Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-27 13:08   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-04-16  9:10 ` [PATCH 5/8] mm/slab: make kfree_rcu_nolock() work with sheaves Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-27 13:32   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-04-27 13:53     ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-04-27 14:45       ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-04-27 15:08         ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE) [this message]
2026-04-27 15:11           ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-04-16  9:10 ` [PATCH 6/8] mm/slab: wrap rcu sheaf handling with ifdef Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-27 15:47   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-04-16  9:10 ` [PATCH 7/8] mm/slab: introduce deferred submission of rcu sheaves Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-21 22:51   ` Alexei Starovoitov
2026-04-22  3:11     ` Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-27 15:55   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-04-16  9:10 ` [PATCH 8/8] lib/tests/slub_kunit: add a test case for kfree_rcu_nolock() Harry Yoo (Oracle)
2026-04-22 14:30 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/8] kvfree_rcu() improvements Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-04-22 22:41   ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-04-23  1:31   ` Harry Yoo (Oracle)

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