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From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>, Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
Cc: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, hca@linux.ibm.com,
	linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, brauner@kernel.org,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	timmurray@google.com, "Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 2/3] mm: process_mrelease: skip LRU movement for exclusive file folios
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2026 11:09:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7f98f461-62a7-455d-a7a8-cb8928465946@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <afG-4hq7Hr62Uu6J@tiehlicka>

On 4/29/26 10:18, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Tue 28-04-26 18:19:31, Minchan Kim wrote:
>> On Tue, Apr 28, 2026 at 08:56:36AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
> [...]
>>>         DESCRIPTION
>>>           The process_mrelease() system call is used to free the memory of
>>>           an exiting process.
>>
>> "Free the memory of an exiting process" implies all memory, not just
>> anonymous. User cannot know it will free only anonymous, and I am trying to
>> make it work as intended by completing a symmetric reclamation path.
> 
> Page cache doesn't belong to any process.
> 
> [...]
> 
>> >From cf292f8f8ead8df9161aad342c36633ffa90257f Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
>> From: Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>
>> Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2026 16:39:06 -0700
>> Subject: [PATCH] mm: process_mrelease: skip LRU movement and expedite clean
>>  file folio reclaim
> 
> I will let others to discuss this. I maintain my position that this is a
> hack for a very particular use case and you still seem to not explain
> non-Android users of the syscall. Anyway, I will not repeat myself here.
> 

One thing that got lost in the thread here: this code path is not
process_mrelease specific?

We seem to end up in __oom_reap_task_mm() also from ordinary oom_reap_task_mm().

There, we unconditionally set MMF_UNSTABLE to then zap_vma_for_reaping() where
memory can be "reaped".

So why is there "process_mrelease" part of the patch subject at all?


The only other scenario where we set MMF_UNSTABLE seems to be when we run into
trouble during fork(). CCing Liam, I wonder what it would take to remove
MMF_UNSTABLE from fork code now that we handle some memory freeing while
aborting fork() "more elegantly".

Unrelated stupid question: would things be clearer if we could rename
MMF_UNSTABLE to MMF_OOM_REAPING once figure out whether aborting fork() still
really needs it?


Back to Michal's original question: I guess the real question is the interaction
with memory reclaim that would just collect the access bits beforehand.

-- 
Cheers,

David


  reply	other threads:[~2026-04-29  9:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-21 23:02 [PATCH v1 0/3] mm: process_mrelease: expedite clean file folio reclaim and add auto-kill Minchan Kim
2026-04-21 23:02 ` [PATCH v1 1/3] mm: process_mrelease: expedite clean file folio reclaim via mmu_gather Minchan Kim
2026-04-24  7:56   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-24 21:24     ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-27  9:29       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-27 22:04         ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-24 19:33   ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-24 21:56     ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-21 23:02 ` [PATCH v1 2/3] mm: process_mrelease: skip LRU movement for exclusive file folios Minchan Kim
2026-04-22  7:22   ` Baolin Wang
2026-04-23 23:38     ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-24  7:51   ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-24  7:57     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-24 19:15       ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-27  7:16         ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-27 16:48           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-04-27 17:15             ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-27 23:05               ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-28  6:56                 ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-29  1:19                   ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-29  8:18                     ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-29  9:09                       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-04-29 10:33                         ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-29 13:07                           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-29 14:44                             ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-29  8:55                     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-24 19:26     ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-21 23:02 ` [PATCH v1 3/3] mm: process_mrelease: introduce PROCESS_MRELEASE_REAP_KILL flag Minchan Kim
2026-04-24  7:57   ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-24 22:49     ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-27  7:02       ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-27 22:03         ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-28  7:01           ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-28 22:37             ` Minchan Kim
2026-04-29  8:25               ` Michal Hocko
2026-04-27 20:34   ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-04-27 22:52     ` Minchan Kim

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