Linux-mm Archive on lore.kernel.org
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: "Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)" <vbabka@kernel.org>
To: Brendan Jackman <brendan.jackman@linux.dev>,
	Brendan Jackman <jackmanb@google.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@kernel.org>, Wei Xu <weixugc@google.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>, Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	rppt@kernel.org, Sumit Garg <sumit.garg@oss.qualcomm.com>,
	derkling@google.com, reijiw@google.com,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>,
	rientjes@google.com, "Kalyazin, Nikita" <kalyazin@amazon.co.uk>,
	patrick.roy@linux.dev, "Itazuri, Takahiro" <itazur@amazon.co.uk>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	David Kaplan <david.kaplan@amd.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>, Yosry Ahmed <yosry@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 19/22] mm/page_alloc: implement __GFP_UNMAPPED allocations
Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2026 10:50:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <adaca36e-5896-407b-9f46-601ed5686575@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <DIV92L7AZOHG.1FKDUXLPZEUK4@linux.dev>

On 5/29/26 17:02, Brendan Jackman wrote:
> On Fri May 15, 2026 at 4:46 PM UTC, Brendan Jackman wrote:
>> On Wed May 13, 2026 at 3:43 PM UTC, Vlastimil Babka (SUSE) wrote:
> [...]
>>> Uhh, speaking of compaction and reclaim... we rely on finding a whole free
>>> pageblock in order to flip it. If that doesn't exist, the whole
>>> get_page_from_freelist() will fail, and we might enter the
>>> reclaim/compaction cycle in __allow_pages_slowpath(). But since we might
>>> ultimately want an order-0 allocation, there won't be any compaction
>>> attempted, because that code won't know we failed to flip a pageblock. And
>>> the watermarks might look good and prevent reclaim as well I think? We
>>> should somehow indicate this, and handle accordingly. Might not be trivial.
>>> Or maybe reuse pageblock isolation code to do the migrations directly in
>>> __rmqueue_direct_map?
>>
>> Ah, thanks, I suspect you are right.
>>
>> I did fear there would be some sort of case where this "not-quite
>> reclaim" interacted badly with the actual reclaim, and I tried to test
>> it by running some stuff in parallel with stress-ng (allocating
>> __GFP_UNMAPPED via secretmem), and I didn't see a difference in the
>> effective availability of memory. However, I suspect testing this is
>> quite a deep art my "run these two commands that I copy pasted from an
>> LLM suggestion" test was just crap.
>>
>> Do you have any workloads you can suggest for evaluating this kinda
>> thing? We would definitely see it in Google prod (I think we see this
>> kind of issue with our shrinker-based internal version of ASI distorting
>> reclaim behaviour in ways even more subtle than this) but that is not a
>> very practical experimental cycle...
> 
> I slop-coded a benchmark:
> 
> https://github.com/bjackman/kernel-benchmarks-nix/tree/master/packages/benchmarks/secretmem-vs-frag
> 
> It does some mmap/munmap patterns to try and generate fragmentation,
> then spams secretmem allocations until it gets OOM-killed.
> 
> With this series, I see the OOM-kills happening noticeably sooner on a
> 1GiB VM:
> 
> metric: secretmem_allocated_bytes (B)   |  test: secretmem-vs-frag
> +---------------------------------------------+---------+-------------+-------------+-----------------+-------------+-------+
> | kernel_release                              | samples |        mean |         min | histogram       |         max | Δμ    |
> +---------------------------------------------+---------+-------------+-------------+-----------------+-------------+-------+
> | 7.0.0-rc4-next-20260319                     |       4 | 683,147,264 | 643,825,664 |               █ | 715,128,832 |       |
> | 7.0.0-rc4-next-20260319-00028-gf00246eb72cd |       3 | 623,553,195 | 551,550,976 |            ███  | 692,060,160 | -8.7% |
> +---------------------------------------------+---------+-------------+-------------+-----------------+-------------+-------+
> 
> So... I think maybe I've reproduced the issue you pointed out? I will
> try and fix it and see if this degradation goes away.

Since I assume the fragmentating allocations are movable allocations, it
might be the case, yeah.


  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-01  8:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 69+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-20 18:23 [PATCH v2 00/22] mm: Add __GFP_UNMAPPED Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 01/22] x86/mm: split out preallocate_sub_pgd() Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 19:42   ` Dave Hansen
2026-03-23 11:01     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-03-24 15:27   ` Borislav Petkov
2026-03-25 13:28     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 02/22] x86/mm: Generalize LDT remap into "mm-local region" Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 19:47   ` Dave Hansen
2026-03-23 12:01     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-03-23 12:57       ` Brendan Jackman
2026-03-25 14:23   ` Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 03/22] x86/tlb: Expose some flush function declarations to modules Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 04/22] mm: Create flags arg for __apply_to_page_range() Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 05/22] mm: Add more flags " Brendan Jackman
2026-03-26 16:14   ` Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 06/22] x86/mm: introduce the mermap Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 07/22] mm: KUnit tests for " Brendan Jackman
2026-03-24  8:00   ` kernel test robot
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 08/22] mm: introduce for_each_free_list() Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 13:46   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 09/22] mm/page_alloc: don't overload migratetype in find_suitable_fallback() Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 13:51   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-11 16:44     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 16:53       ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 10/22] mm: introduce freetype_t Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 15:34   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-11 16:49     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 16:58       ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-11 18:17   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-11 18:26   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-18  0:00     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 11/22] mm: move migratetype definitions to freetype.h Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 15:35   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 12/22] mm: add definitions for allocating unmapped pages Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 18:01   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 13/22] mm: rejig pageblock mask definitions Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 18:07   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 14/22] mm: encode freetype flags in pageblock flags Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 18:29   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 15/22] mm/page_alloc: remove ifdefs from pindex helpers Brendan Jackman
2026-05-11 18:30   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-12  9:49     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 16/22] mm/page_alloc: separate pcplists by freetype flags Brendan Jackman
2026-05-13  8:46   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 17/22] mm/page_alloc: rename ALLOC_NON_BLOCK back to _HARDER Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 18/22] mm/page_alloc: introduce ALLOC_NOBLOCK Brendan Jackman
2026-05-13  9:43   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-15 13:36     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-05-15 15:52       ` Gregory Price
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 19/22] mm/page_alloc: implement __GFP_UNMAPPED allocations Brendan Jackman
2026-05-13 15:43   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-15 16:46     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-05-29 15:02       ` Brendan Jackman
2026-06-01  8:50         ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE) [this message]
2026-06-11 14:46           ` Brendan Jackman
2026-06-01  8:59       ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 20/22] mm/page_alloc: implement __GFP_UNMAPPED|__GFP_ZERO allocations Brendan Jackman
2026-05-13 17:00   ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-15 16:50     ` Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 21/22] mm: Minimal KUnit tests for some new page_alloc logic Brendan Jackman
2026-03-20 18:23 ` [PATCH v2 22/22] mm/secretmem: Use __GFP_UNMAPPED when available Brendan Jackman
2026-03-31 14:40   ` Brendan Jackman
2026-05-13 16:17 ` [PATCH v2 00/22] mm: Add __GFP_UNMAPPED Gregory Price
2026-05-13 17:14   ` Brendan Jackman
2026-05-13 17:28     ` Gregory Price
2026-05-13 17:38       ` Vlastimil Babka (SUSE)
2026-05-13 17:59         ` Gregory Price
2026-05-15  9:31           ` Brendan Jackman
2026-05-15 16:04             ` Gregory Price

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=adaca36e-5896-407b-9f46-601ed5686575@kernel.org \
    --to=vbabka@kernel.org \
    --cc=akpm@linux-foundation.org \
    --cc=bp@alien8.de \
    --cc=brendan.jackman@linux.dev \
    --cc=dave.hansen@linux.intel.com \
    --cc=david.kaplan@amd.com \
    --cc=david@kernel.org \
    --cc=derkling@google.com \
    --cc=hannes@cmpxchg.org \
    --cc=itazur@amazon.co.uk \
    --cc=jackmanb@google.com \
    --cc=kalyazin@amazon.co.uk \
    --cc=linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org \
    --cc=linux-mm@kvack.org \
    --cc=ljs@kernel.org \
    --cc=luto@kernel.org \
    --cc=patrick.roy@linux.dev \
    --cc=peterz@infradead.org \
    --cc=reijiw@google.com \
    --cc=rientjes@google.com \
    --cc=rppt@kernel.org \
    --cc=sumit.garg@oss.qualcomm.com \
    --cc=tglx@kernel.org \
    --cc=weixugc@google.com \
    --cc=will@kernel.org \
    --cc=x86@kernel.org \
    --cc=yosry@kernel.org \
    --cc=ziy@nvidia.com \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox