From: Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>
To: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/6] mm: Make per-VMA locks available universally
Date: Fri, 8 May 2026 17:55:10 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <af4VPe7_T0AgMEkk@lucifer> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <36346c42-2557-431f-aef5-0f92b0828e76@kernel.org>
On Fri, May 08, 2026 at 12:58:35PM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> On 5/8/26 12:12, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
> > On 4/29/26 20:19, Dave Hansen wrote:
> >> From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>
> >>
> >> The per-VMA locks have been around for several years. They've had some
> >> bugs worked out of them and have seen quite wide use. However, they
> >> are still only available when architectures explicitly enable them.
> >> Remove the conditional compilation around the per-VMA locks, making
> >> them available on all architectures and configs.
> >
> > Yes, we should really just make it now just a fixed part of the kernel design.
Agreed
> >
> >>
> >> The approach up to now seemed to be to add ARCH_SUPPORTS_PER_VMA_LOCK
> >> when the architecture started using per-VMA locks in the fault
> >> handler. But, contrary to the naming, the Kconfig option does not
> >> really indicate whether the architecture supports per-VMA locks or
> >> not. It is more of a marker for whether the architecture is likely to
> >> benefit from per-VMA locks.
> >>
> >> To me, the most important thing side-effect of universal availability
> >> is letting per-VMA locks be used in SMP=n configs. This lets us use
> >> per-VMA locking in all x86 code without fallbacks.
> >>
> >> Overall, this just generally makes the kernel simpler. Just look at
> >> the diffstat. It also opens the door to users that want to use the
> >> per-VMA locks in common code. Doing *that* can bring additional
> >> simplifications.
> >>
> >> The downside of this is adding some fields to vm_area_struct and
> >> mm_struct.
> >
> > I'd assume most distributions would already enable it.
Yes, and I think any modern system will treat it as a necessity!
> >
> > mm_struct is very likely not a problem.
No not at all that's a lost cause :)) But also less improtant as less
propagated, obviously.
> >
> > On x86-64, the smallest size for vma_area_struct possible (make allnoconfig)
> > seems to be 68bytes. The largest size (make allyesconfig) with lockdep and all
> > that is 256bytes. Without lockdep we are at 192 bytes: independent of per-VMA locks.
> >
> > I'd expect that on most 64bit configs we usually end up with 192 bytes today.
> >
> > Given that our slab sizes are ...32/64/96/128/192/..., I guess we'd have to be
> > lucky to jump between sizes on most configs.
>
> As Vlastimil reminded me, the have separate slab caches, so they are better
> packed. So I don't think a small increase there would really be a problem.
Good to have this information also!
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> David
Cheers, Lorenzo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-05-08 16:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-04-29 18:19 [PATCH 0/6] mm: Make per-VMA locks available in all builds Dave Hansen
2026-04-29 18:19 ` [PATCH 1/6] mm: Make per-VMA locks available universally Dave Hansen
2026-05-08 10:12 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-08 10:58 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-08 16:55 ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
2026-04-29 18:19 ` [PATCH 2/6] binder: Make shrinker rely solely on per-VMA lock Dave Hansen
2026-05-08 17:06 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-04-29 18:19 ` [PATCH 3/6] mm: Add RCU-based VMA lookup that waits for writers Dave Hansen
2026-05-08 17:26 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-08 20:15 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-04-29 18:20 ` [PATCH 4/6] binder: Remove mmap_lock fallback Dave Hansen
2026-05-08 17:29 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-04-29 18:20 ` [PATCH 5/6] tcp: Remove mmap_lock fallback path Dave Hansen
2026-05-08 17:32 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-04-29 18:20 ` [PATCH 6/6] x86/mm: Avoid mmap lock for shadow stack pop fast path Dave Hansen
2026-05-04 23:15 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-05-05 16:39 ` Dave Hansen
2026-05-08 20:39 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-04-29 18:22 ` [PATCH 0/6] mm: Make per-VMA locks available in all builds Dave Hansen
2026-04-30 8:11 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-04-30 17:17 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-04-30 17:20 ` Dave Hansen
2026-04-30 7:55 ` [syzbot ci] " syzbot ci
2026-04-30 16:59 ` Dave Hansen
[not found] ` <20260430072053.e0be1b431bcff02831f07e9d@linux-foundation.org>
2026-04-30 16:52 ` [PATCH 0/6] " Dave Hansen
2026-05-08 16:52 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-08 17:01 ` Dave Hansen
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