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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Liam R. Howlett" <Liam.Howlett@oracle.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, Shakeel Butt <shakeel.butt@linux.dev>,
	Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] mm: Make per-VMA locks available in all builds
Date: Fri, 8 May 2026 10:01:07 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ebc08803-17ba-47e5-8297-c040240665ed@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <af4QC2It_jgSgCGd@lucifer>

On 5/8/26 09:52, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
...
>>  * Can the helper avoid the goto, maybe by taking the VMA refcount
>>    while holding mmap_lock?
> 
> Surely that'd defeat the purpose of VMA locks though? you'd hold the mmap lock
> for less time but you're still contending vs. _any_ VMA write locks whilst
> trying to get a VMA read lock?
> 
> Unless it's on a slow path... hmm :)

Yup. It's in a slow path. the example helper I had here does:

retry:
	vma = lock_vma_under_rcu(mm, address);
	if (vma)
		return vma;
	mmap_read_lock(mm);
	vma = vma_lookup(mm, address);
	mmap_read_unlock(mm);	
	goto retry;

It avoids mmap_lock in the common, fast case. I was hoping to replace it
with something like:

	vma = lock_vma_under_rcu(mm, address);
	if (vma)
		return vma;
	mmap_read_lock(mm);
	vma = vma_lookup(mm, address);
	vma_start_read(vma->vm_mm, vma); // Is this safe?
	mmap_read_unlock(mm);	
	return vma;

Which still uses mmap_lock, but avoids the goto. I'm pretty sure the
first one doesn't have any locking problems. The second one, I need to
think about a _lot_ more.




      reply	other threads:[~2026-05-08 17:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-29 18:19 [PATCH 0/6] mm: Make per-VMA locks available in all builds Dave Hansen
2026-04-29 18:19 ` [PATCH 1/6] mm: Make per-VMA locks available universally Dave Hansen
2026-05-08 10:12   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-08 10:58     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-08 16:55       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-04-29 18:19 ` [PATCH 2/6] binder: Make shrinker rely solely on per-VMA lock Dave Hansen
2026-05-08 17:06   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-04-29 18:19 ` [PATCH 3/6] mm: Add RCU-based VMA lookup that waits for writers Dave Hansen
2026-05-08 17:26   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-08 20:15     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-04-29 18:20 ` [PATCH 4/6] binder: Remove mmap_lock fallback Dave Hansen
2026-05-08 17:29   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-04-29 18:20 ` [PATCH 5/6] tcp: Remove mmap_lock fallback path Dave Hansen
2026-05-08 17:32   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-04-29 18:20 ` [PATCH 6/6] x86/mm: Avoid mmap lock for shadow stack pop fast path Dave Hansen
2026-05-04 23:15   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-05-05 16:39     ` Dave Hansen
2026-05-08 20:39       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-04-29 18:22 ` [PATCH 0/6] mm: Make per-VMA locks available in all builds Dave Hansen
2026-04-30  8:11   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-04-30 17:17     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-04-30 17:20       ` Dave Hansen
2026-04-30  7:55 ` [syzbot ci] " syzbot ci
2026-04-30 16:59   ` Dave Hansen
     [not found] ` <20260430072053.e0be1b431bcff02831f07e9d@linux-foundation.org>
2026-04-30 16:52   ` [PATCH 0/6] " Dave Hansen
2026-05-08 16:52 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-08 17:01   ` Dave Hansen [this message]

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