From: Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>
To: Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>
Cc: Xueyuan Chen <xueyuan.chen@vivo.com>,
Barry Song <baohua@kernel.org>,
Yosry Ahmed <yosry.ahmed@linux.dev>,
Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
Brian Geffon <bgeffon@google.com>,
Minchan Kim <minchan@kernel.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
xueyuan.chen21@gmail.com,
Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/2] mm: zsmalloc: make shrinker compaction budget-aware
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2026 10:48:50 +0900 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <auKlTdFbOZmAuheo@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <auKjuiRxQwtsZF_0@google.com>
On (26/10/29 10:43), Sergey Senozhatsky wrote:
[..]
> > Hmm we'd need to collect more data in our workloads to determine, but
> > if we can compute compactable ratio (freeable_pages / total_pages) on
> > a per size class basis, can we just skip the size class whose ratio is
> > too bad? Would that at least cut down on the vast majority of
> > fruitless memcpys and lock acquisitions etc?
> >
> > I'm always a bit hesitant to over-rely on userspace, especially when
> > kernel has information to do something smart about it. It might not
> > react in time, and many proactive reclaiming schemes back off under
> > heavy memory pressure.
>
> Apologies for the delay.
>
> The thing about shrinker compaction is that it's sort of on the
> wrong end. It doesn't trigger compaction when memory is plentiful,
> no matter the internal fragmentation rate, and start firing compaction
> scans when memory pressure hits. The problem with this is that, now
> compaction moves objects (if can compact zspages) and releases empty
> zspages, in parallel with potentially heavy swapping out activities,
> which can simply allocate those released pages back. Which seems like
> a useless exercise and needless memcpy-s. So I was thinking about
> either putting it under config or just removing it (this might be a
> harder decision).
In embedded (android/bookOS/etc.) there is a daemon, that triggers
various zram activities. We can wire in pool-compaction (once under
memory pressure), which is a zram sysfs device attribute, instead
of pondering zsmalloc with scan callbacks.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-10-29 1:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-06 8:27 [RFC PATCH 0/2] mm: zsmalloc: make shrinker compaction budget-aware xueyuan.chen
2026-08-06 8:27 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] mm: zsmalloc: add a page limit to pool compaction xueyuan.chen
2026-08-06 8:27 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] mm: zsmalloc: use the shrinker reclaim budget xueyuan.chen
2026-08-07 3:56 ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] mm: zsmalloc: make shrinker compaction budget-aware Sergey Senozhatsky
2026-08-07 10:57 ` Xueyuan Chen
2026-08-07 12:12 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2026-08-07 16:25 ` Nhat Pham
2026-08-11 9:03 ` Xueyuan Chen
2026-08-11 16:25 ` Nhat Pham
2026-08-14 16:50 ` Xueyuan Chen
2026-08-18 12:11 ` Xueyuan Chen
2026-10-29 1:43 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
2026-10-29 1:48 ` Sergey Senozhatsky [this message]
2026-10-29 2:26 ` Sergey Senozhatsky
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