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From: Harry Yoo <harry@kernel.org>
To: Qi Zheng <qi.zheng@linux.dev>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, david@kernel.org, kasong@tencent.com,
	shakeel.butt@linux.dev, baohua@kernel.org,
	axelrasmussen@google.com, yuanchu@google.com, weixugc@google.com,
	hannes@cmpxchg.org, muchun.song@linux.dev,
	peiyang_he@smail.nju.edu.cn, mhocko@kernel.org,
	roman.gushchin@linux.dev, ljs@kernel.org
Cc: linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Qi Zheng <zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com>,
	stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] mm: mglru: fix stale batch updates after memcg reparenting
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2026 13:16:19 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <b5c85cea-5daa-4690-ac41-a6f5aebd1555@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1d638906-6d64-4e57-a181-4b77683652b5@linux.dev>


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On 6/24/26 4:11 PM, Qi Zheng wrote:
> Hi Harry,
> 
> On 6/24/26 12:29 PM, Harry Yoo wrote:
>> On 6/23/26 6:14 PM, Qi Zheng wrote:
>>> Hi Harry,
>>>
>>> On 6/23/26 4:18 PM, Harry Yoo wrote:
>>>> On 6/23/26 4:16 PM, Qi Zheng wrote:
>>>>> Hi Harry,
>>>>
>>>> Hi Qi!
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/23/26 2:17 PM, Harry Yoo wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/23/26 11:42 AM, Qi Zheng wrote:
>>>>>>> From: Qi Zheng <zhengqi.arch@bytedance.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The mglru page table walker batches per-generation size deltas in
>>>>>>> walk->nr_pages while walking page tables without holding the lruvec
>>>>>>> lock.
>>>>>>> The reset_batch_size() later folds those deltas into walk->lruvec
>>>>>>> under
>>>>>>> the lruvec lock.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ouch.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IIRC the user-visible impact of underestimated nr_pages in MGLRU
>>>>>> was premature OOMs because MGLRU does not try to reclaim memory when
>>>>>> nr_pages reaches zero, but there are still more pages.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perhaps worth mentioning in the changelog?
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe this should be placed before "To fix it...".
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>>>> The page table walker can run concurrently with the memcg
>>>>>>> reparenting
>>>>>>> path
>>>>>>> as follows:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CPU0                           CPU1
>>>>>>> ====                           ====
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> walk_mm
>>>>>>> --> walk_page_range
>>>>>>>        --> update_batch_size
>>>>>>>            --> walk->nr_pages += delta
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                  mem_cgroup_css_offline
>>>>>>>                                  --> memcg_reparent_objcgs
>>>>>>>                                      --> lock lruvec
>>>>>>>                                          lru_gen_reparent_memcg
>>>>>>>                                          --> reparent child
>>>>>>> folios to
>>>>>>> parent
>>>>>>>                                          unlock lruvec
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        lock lruvec
>>>>>>>        reset_batch_size
>>>>>>>        --> child lrugen->nr_pages += delta
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem here is that, while grabbing a reference to memcg
>>>>>> (via mem_cgroup_iter(), for example) makes sure that the memcg is not
>>>>>> freed, it does not prevent offlining happening, and
>>>>>> reset_batch_size()
>>>>>> doesn't check whether the lruvec has been reparented, or the lruvec
>>>>>> is going to be reparented.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This will trigger the following warning in lru_gen_exit_memcg():
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       VM_WARN_ON_ONCE(memchr_inv(lruvec->lrugen.nr_pages, 0,
>>>>>>>                      sizeof(lruvec->lrugen.nr_pages)));
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To fix it, add lrugen->reparented to remember the new owner of a
>>>>>>> reparented lruvec, and make reset_batch_size() charge pending
>>>>>>> deltas to
>>>>>>> that owner.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could you please explain why it is unavoidable to introduce the new
>>>>>> field and why checking whether the cgroup is dying (and charging
>>>>>> deltas
>>>>>> to non-dying parent) doesn't work?
>>>>>
>>>>> Peiyang tried doing this [1], but it doesn't work because
>>>>> ss->css_offline() is called before clearing the CSS_ONLINE flag.
>>>>
>>>> Right.
>>>>
>>>>> I also considered using mem_cgroup_tryget_online(), but that only
>>>>> prevent
>>>>> the memcg from being freed. It's doesn't prevent the offlining.
>>>>
>>>> Right.
>>>>
>>>> I think checking CSS_DYING under RCU and grabbing the lruvec
>>>> of the first non-dying memcg should work (this pattern is already
>>>> used where we use RCU to guarantee memcgs are not freed).
>>>>
>>>> If we do not observe CSS_DYING flag, it is safe to charge deltas
>>>> to the lruvec because RCU guarantees that reparenting cannot happen
>>>> under us.
>>>>
>>>> If we do observe CSS_DYING, we can walk up the hierarchy and charge
>>>> deltas to the first non-dying memcg.
>>>
>>> Checking CSS_DYING looks feasible, but the rcu lock alone cannot prevent
>>> reparenting. We should recheck CSS_DYING after acquiring the lruvec
>>> lock, otherwise we might run into the following race:
>>
>> Haha, actually, I was thinking of checking CSS_DYING under both RCU and
>> lruvec lock. (because that's the pattern)
>>
>>>    CPU0 reset_batch_size              CPU1 memcg teardown
>>>    =====================              ==================
>>>
>>>    read !CSS_DYING
>>>
>>>                                       set CSS_DYING
>>
>> Oh, I thought the entire critical section is covered by RCU.
>> (I see lock_batch_lruvec() you suggested below doesn't do that)
>>
>> Isn't RCU enough to prevent reparenting because RCU guarantees that
>> all readers who read !CSS_DYING complete before reparenting?
> 
> Oh, I think you are right.
> 
> I forgot that offlining is executed in the rcu work context.

It's confusing :)

> Let's walk through this again:
> 
> cgroup_destroy_locked
> --> kill_css_sync
>     --> css->flags |= CSS_DYING;                    1)
>     kill_css_finish
>     --> css_killed_ref_fn
>         --> css_killed_work_fn  <-- RCU work !!     2)
>             --> offline_css
>                 --> reparent memcg
> 
> So while holding the rcu lock, if CSS_DYING is not observed,
> css_killed_work_fn() will not be called until rcu_read_unlock().

Right.

> So lock_batch_lruvec() can be implemented like this:
> 
> #ifdef CONFIG_MEMCG
> static struct lruvec *lock_batch_lruvec(struct lruvec *lruvec)
> {
>     struct pglist_data *pgdat = lruvec_pgdat(lruvec);
>     struct mem_cgroup *memcg = lruvec_memcg(lruvec);
> 
>     rcu_read_lock();
> 
>     /*
>      * The memcg can be NULL when the memory controller is disabled.
>      * Otherwise, the caller keeps the memcg owning @lruvec alive.
>      */
>     if (!memcg || !css_is_dying(&memcg->css))
>         goto lock;
> 
>     do {
>         memcg = parent_mem_cgroup(memcg);
>     } while (memcg && css_is_dying(&memcg->css));
>     lruvec = mem_cgroup_lruvec(memcg, pgdat);
> 
> lock:
>     spin_lock_irq(&lruvec->lru_lock);
> 
>     return lruvec;
> }
> #else
> static struct lruvec *lock_batch_lruvec(struct lruvec *lruvec)
> {
>     lruvec_lock_irq(lruvec);
> 
>     return lruvec;
> }
> #endif
> 
> Does this make sense?

Yes, looks good to me!

-- 
Cheers,
Harry / Hyeonggon

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  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-25  4:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-23  2:42 [PATCH v2] mm: mglru: fix stale batch updates after memcg reparenting Qi Zheng
2026-06-23  2:56 ` Qi Zheng
2026-06-23  4:03 ` Baolin Wang
2026-06-23  6:17 ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-23  7:16   ` Qi Zheng
2026-06-23  8:18     ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-23  9:14       ` Qi Zheng
2026-06-24  4:29         ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-24  7:11           ` Qi Zheng
2026-06-25  4:16             ` Harry Yoo [this message]
2026-06-25  6:11               ` Qi Zheng
2026-06-25  6:32                 ` Harry Yoo
2026-06-25  7:37                   ` Qi Zheng
2026-06-25  8:09                     ` Peiyang He
2026-06-25 10:07                 ` Barry Song

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