From: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>
To: Yafang Shao <laoar.shao@gmail.com>
Cc: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>,
jikos@kernel.org, mbenes@suse.cz, joe.lawrence@redhat.com,
mcgrof@kernel.org, live-patching@vger.kernel.org,
linux-modules@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/2] livepatch: Delete the associated module of disabled livepatch
Date: Tue, 7 May 2024 22:16:29 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240508051629.ihxqffq2xe22hwbh@treble> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALOAHbArS+WVnfU-RUzbgFJTH5_H=m_x44+GvXPS_C3AKj1j8w@mail.gmail.com>
On Tue, May 07, 2024 at 10:03:59PM +0800, Yafang Shao wrote:
> On Tue, May 7, 2024 at 10:35 AM Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org> wrote:
> > User space needs to be polling for the transition to complete so it can
> > reverse the patch if it stalls. Otherwise the patch could stall forever
> > and go unnoticed.
> >
> > Can't user space just unload the replaced module after it detects the
> > completed transition?
>
> Are you referring to polling the
> "/sys/kernel/livepatch/XXX/transition"? The challenge lies in the
> uncertainty regarding which livepatches will be replaced and how many.
> Even if we can poll the transition status, there's no guarantee that a
> livepatch will be replaced by this operation.
If klp_patch.replace is set on the new patch then it will replace all
previous patches.
If the replaced patches remain in /sys/livepatch then you can simply
unload all the patches with enabled == 0, after the new patch succeeds
(enabled == 1 && transition == 0).
> > I'm not sure I see the benefit in complicating the kernel and possibly
> > introducing bugs, when unloading the module from user space seems to be
> > a perfectly valid option.
> >
> > Also, an error returned by delete_module() to the kernel would be
> > ignored and the module might remain in memory forever without being
> > noticed.
>
> As Petr pointed out, we can enhance the functionality by checking the
> return value and providing informative error messages. This aligns
> with the user experience when deleting a module; if deletion fails,
> users have the option to try again. Similarly, if error messages are
> displayed, users can manually remove the module if needed.
Calling delete_module() from the kernel means there's no syscall with
which to return an error back to the user.
--
Josh
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-05-08 5:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-04-07 3:57 [PATCH v2 0/2] livepatch, module: Delete the associated module of disabled livepatch Yafang Shao
2024-04-07 3:57 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] module: Add a new helper delete_module() Yafang Shao
2024-04-24 12:09 ` Yafang Shao
2024-05-04 16:53 ` Greg KH
2024-05-04 22:26 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2024-05-04 21:36 ` Luis Chamberlain
2024-05-06 11:58 ` Petr Mladek
2024-04-07 3:57 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] livepatch: Delete the associated module of disabled livepatch Yafang Shao
2024-05-03 21:14 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2024-05-06 11:32 ` Petr Mladek
2024-05-07 2:35 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2024-05-07 14:03 ` Yafang Shao
2024-05-08 5:16 ` Josh Poimboeuf [this message]
2024-05-08 6:01 ` Yafang Shao
2024-05-08 7:03 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2024-05-09 2:17 ` Yafang Shao
2024-05-09 5:20 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2024-05-09 5:53 ` Yafang Shao
2024-05-09 10:16 ` Petr Mladek
2024-05-09 11:57 ` Yafang Shao
2024-05-09 10:51 ` Petr Mladek
2024-05-06 12:20 ` Petr Mladek
2024-05-02 13:30 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] livepatch, module: " Joe Lawrence
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