Newbie questions

Newbie questions

[Larry Alkoff]

Some questions from a dosemu newbie that I could not find in 
documentation.  Using dosemu version 1.2.2.2.0 under Slackware 10.1.

0.  Where can I find more documentation?

1.  How do I print?  My system uses CUPS.

     In particular I wish to print reports using the Supercalc version 4 
    spreadsheet program and a Deskjet 500 through the CUPS system. 
Supercalc is working just fine except for printing.  Does anyone have 
any experience with this program and dosemu?

2.  Can I use 4dos as a replacement for command.com?

3.  Where can I find guidance on the allow commands in config.sys and 
autoexec.bat?

-- 
Larry Alkoff N2LA - Austin TX
Using Thunderbird on Slackware Linux

Re: Newbie questions

[Justin Zygmont]

On Tue, 1 Nov 2005, Larry Alkoff wrote:

> Some questions from a dosemu newbie that I could not find in documentation. 
> Using dosemu version 1.2.2.2.0 under Slackware 10.1.
>
> 0.  Where can I find more documentation?
>
> 1.  How do I print?  My system uses CUPS.
>
>    In particular I wish to print reports using the Supercalc version 4 
> spreadsheet program and a Deskjet 500 through the CUPS system. Supercalc is 
> working just fine except for printing.  Does anyone have any experience with 
> this program and dosemu?
>
> 2.  Can I use 4dos as a replacement for command.com?
>
> 3.  Where can I find guidance on the allow commands in config.sys and 
> autoexec.bat?

I think there is the best documentation available on the dosemu site: 
http://dosemu.org  Also, i'd strongly recomment to upgrade your dosemu to 
the latest version.  You should see the settings to print from the 
dosemu.conf.

Re: Newbie questions

[Ralph Alvy]

Larry Alkoff wrote:

> Can I use 4dos as a replacement for command.com?

Yes. I use MS-DOS 6.22 with 4DOS replacing command.com.

Re: Newbie questions

[Larry Alkoff]

Ralph Alvy wrote:
> Larry Alkoff wrote:
> 
> 
>>Can I use 4dos as a replacement for command.com?
> 
> 
> Yes. I use MS-DOS 6.22 with 4DOS replacing command.com.
> 
> 
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> 
Thanks Ralph.  That answers the 4dos question quite satisfactorily.

Larry

-- 
Larry Alkoff N2LA - Austin TX
Using Thunderbird on Slackware Linux

Re: Newbie questions

[Ralph Alvy]

Larry Alkoff wrote:

> Ralph Alvy wrote:
>> Larry Alkoff wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>Can I use 4dos as a replacement for command.com?
>> 
>> 
>> Yes. I use MS-DOS 6.22 with 4DOS replacing command.com.
>> 
>> 
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>> 
> Thanks Ralph.  That answers the 4dos question quite satisfactorily.
> 
> Larry
> 
In terms of stuff in your autoexec.bat, I even load TSRs there. However, I
find that I must use dosemu 1.2.1 instead of either 1.2.2 or 1.3.2.
Otherwise printing doesn't work well. If remove those TSRs, then I can
print fine under 1.2.2 and 1.3.2, but I need those TSRs for my DOS app that
runs my business.

You can find all you need to get printing to work in the dosemu.conf file.

Re: Newbie questions

[John R. Sowden]

On Wed November 2 2005 20:12, Larry Alkoff wrote:
> Ralph Alvy wrote:
> > Larry Alkoff wrote:
> >>Can I use 4dos as a replacement for command.com?
> >
> > Yes. I use MS-DOS 6.22 with 4DOS replacing command.com.
> >
> >
> > -
> > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-msdos" in
> > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
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>
> Thanks Ralph.  That answers the 4dos question quite satisfactorily.
>
> Larry
I use 4dos 7.5, the latest version and ms-dos 7.10, which, if I remember 
correctly is the dos from win98.  I do this so I can access my 32 bit 
partitions from dos.
-- 
John R. Sowden
AMERICAN SENTRY SYSTEMS, INC.
Residential & Commercial Alarm Service
UL Listed Central Station
Serving the San Francisco Bay Area Since 1967
mail@americansentry.net
www.americansentry.net

Re: Newbie questions

[Larry Alkoff]

John R. Sowden wrote:
> On Wed November 2 2005 20:12, Larry Alkoff wrote:
> 
>>Ralph Alvy wrote:
>>
>>>Larry Alkoff wrote:
>>>
>>>>Can I use 4dos as a replacement for command.com?
>>>
>>>Yes. I use MS-DOS 6.22 with 4DOS replacing command.com.
>>>
>>>
>>>-
>>>To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-msdos" in
>>>the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
>>>More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
>>
>>Thanks Ralph.  That answers the 4dos question quite satisfactorily.
>>
>>Larry
> 
> I use 4dos 7.5, the latest version and ms-dos 7.10, which, if I remember 
> correctly is the dos from win98.  I do this so I can access my 32 bit 
> partitions from dos.

John I presently use
4DOS 7.50   (Win98) DOS 7.10

However I'd like to use IBM dos which perhaps can be purchased to get 
away from any software liability from using Windows 98 dos.

Any idea which IBM dos version I need and where I could get it?
Otherwise I'll use freedos.


-- 
Larry Alkoff N2LA - Austin TX
Using Thunderbird on Slackware Linux

Re: Newbie questions

[John R. Sowden]

On Thu November 3 2005 11:02, Larry Alkoff wrote:
> John R. Sowden wrote:
> > On Wed November 2 2005 20:12, Larry Alkoff wrote:
> >>Ralph Alvy wrote:
> >>>Larry Alkoff wrote:
> >>>>Can I use 4dos as a replacement for command.com?
> >>>
> >>>Yes. I use MS-DOS 6.22 with 4DOS replacing command.com.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>-
> >>>To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-msdos"
> >>> in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
> >>>More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
> >>
> >>Thanks Ralph.  That answers the 4dos question quite satisfactorily.
> >>
> >>Larry
> >
> > I use 4dos 7.5, the latest version and ms-dos 7.10, which, if I remember
> > correctly is the dos from win98.  I do this so I can access my 32 bit
> > partitions from dos.
>
> John I presently use
> 4DOS 7.50   (Win98) DOS 7.10
>
> However I'd like to use IBM dos which perhaps can be purchased to get
> away from any software liability from using Windows 98 dos.
>
> Any idea which IBM dos version I need and where I could get it?
> Otherwise I'll use freedos.

I don't know the differences, although I assume that freedos is the only one 
that is actually in development.  what we need is a comparison chart listing 
the different dos brands/versions and the features.  then let users send in 
the features they know of.   That would be a neat site.

In the big scheme of things, I am not worried about microsoft giving me grief 
re: using their dos under linux.  I have a original cd and receipt for every 
copy that I use.  I know of someone who was selling used computers and 
putting winxx and office on them.  microsoft went after him, and now he puts 
freedos on them, but that was over the top.

IBM has a site that has a link for pcdos, and they were still selling it about 
6 months ago when I saw the site.
-- 
John R. Sowden
AMERICAN SENTRY SYSTEMS, INC.
Residential & Commercial Alarm Service
UL Listed Central Station
Serving the San Francisco Bay Area Since 1967
mail@americansentry.net
www.americansentry.net

Re: Newbie questions

[Justin Zygmont]

On Thu, 3 Nov 2005, John R. Sowden wrote:

> On Thu November 3 2005 11:02, Larry Alkoff wrote:
>> John R. Sowden wrote:
>>> On Wed November 2 2005 20:12, Larry Alkoff wrote:
>>>> Ralph Alvy wrote:
>>>>> Larry Alkoff wrote:
>>>>>> Can I use 4dos as a replacement for command.com?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes. I use MS-DOS 6.22 with 4DOS replacing command.com.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-msdos"
>>>>> in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
>>>>> More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Ralph.  That answers the 4dos question quite satisfactorily.
>>>>
>>>> Larry
>>>
>>> I use 4dos 7.5, the latest version and ms-dos 7.10, which, if I remember
>>> correctly is the dos from win98.  I do this so I can access my 32 bit
>>> partitions from dos.
>>
>> John I presently use
>> 4DOS 7.50   (Win98) DOS 7.10
>>
>> However I'd like to use IBM dos which perhaps can be purchased to get
>> away from any software liability from using Windows 98 dos.
>>
>> Any idea which IBM dos version I need and where I could get it?
>> Otherwise I'll use freedos.
>
> I don't know the differences, although I assume that freedos is the only one
> that is actually in development.  what we need is a comparison chart listing
> the different dos brands/versions and the features.  then let users send in
> the features they know of.   That would be a neat site.
>
> In the big scheme of things, I am not worried about microsoft giving me grief
> re: using their dos under linux.  I have a original cd and receipt for every
> copy that I use.  I know of someone who was selling used computers and
> putting winxx and office on them.  microsoft went after him, and now he puts
> freedos on them, but that was over the top.
>
> IBM has a site that has a link for pcdos, and they were still selling it about
> 6 months ago when I saw the site.

PC-DOS 2000 (PS-DOS 8.0)  is available from their site for about $80 last 
time I checked.  You can still use DR-DOS 7.03, this site has it: 
telnet://solarflow.dyndns.org

Re: Newbie questions

[Ralph Alvy]

Larry Alkoff wrote:

> John R. Sowden wrote:
>> On Wed November 2 2005 20:12, Larry Alkoff wrote:
>> 
>>>Ralph Alvy wrote:
>>>
>>>>Larry Alkoff wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Can I use 4dos as a replacement for command.com?
>>>>
>>>>Yes. I use MS-DOS 6.22 with 4DOS replacing command.com.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-
>>>>To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-msdos"
>>>>in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
>>>>More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
>>>
>>>Thanks Ralph.  That answers the 4dos question quite satisfactorily.
>>>
>>>Larry
>> 
>> I use 4dos 7.5, the latest version and ms-dos 7.10, which, if I remember
>> correctly is the dos from win98.  I do this so I can access my 32 bit
>> partitions from dos.
> 
> John I presently use
> 4DOS 7.50   (Win98) DOS 7.10
> 
> However I'd like to use IBM dos which perhaps can be purchased to get
> away from any software liability from using Windows 98 dos.
> 
> Any idea which IBM dos version I need and where I could get it?
> Otherwise I'll use freedos.

I imagine IBM-DOS will work, but I haven't tried it. If freedos allowed me
to run the DOS apps I use on a daily basis, I'd use that instead of MS-DOS
6.22, but it doesn't.

Re: Newbie questions

[Larry Alkoff]

Ralph Alvy wrote:
> Larry Alkoff wrote:
> 
> 
>>John R. Sowden wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed November 2 2005 20:12, Larry Alkoff wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Ralph Alvy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Larry Alkoff wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Can I use 4dos as a replacement for command.com?
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes. I use MS-DOS 6.22 with 4DOS replacing command.com.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-
>>>>>To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-msdos"
>>>>>in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
>>>>>More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
>>>>
>>>>Thanks Ralph.  That answers the 4dos question quite satisfactorily.
>>>>
>>>>Larry
>>>
>>>I use 4dos 7.5, the latest version and ms-dos 7.10, which, if I remember
>>>correctly is the dos from win98.  I do this so I can access my 32 bit
>>>partitions from dos.
>>
>>John I presently use
>>4DOS 7.50   (Win98) DOS 7.10
>>
>>However I'd like to use IBM dos which perhaps can be purchased to get
>>away from any software liability from using Windows 98 dos.
>>
>>Any idea which IBM dos version I need and where I could get it?
>>Otherwise I'll use freedos.
> 
> 
> I imagine IBM-DOS will work, but I haven't tried it. If freedos allowed me
> to run the DOS apps I use on a daily basis, I'd use that instead of MS-DOS
> 6.22, but it doesn't.
> 
> -
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> 
Ralph what DOS apps do not run in IBM-DOS?
Do you know what's lacking in IBM-DOS so they can't run?
Larry


-- 
Larry Alkoff N2LA - Austin TX
Using Thunderbird on Slackware Linux

Re: Newbie questions

[Ralph Alvy]

Larry Alkoff wrote:
>> 
>> I imagine IBM-DOS will work, but I haven't tried it. If freedos allowed
>> me to run the DOS apps I use on a daily basis, I'd use that instead of
>> MS-DOS 6.22, but it doesn't.

> Ralph what DOS apps do not run in IBM-DOS?
> Do you know what's lacking in IBM-DOS so they can't run?
> Larry
> 
I've never tried IBM-DOS. In terms of freedos, I can't get WordPerfect Shell
3.1 to work with two TSRs I use: ZipKey and DPPrint. The former allows me
to insert City, State, Zip into a database by just typing in the Zip. The
latter allows me to certain printing things with DataPerfect relational
database applications. These work fine with MS-DOS 6.22 under dosemu,
better under dosemu 1.2.1 than either 1.2.2 or 1.3.2.

Re: Newbie questions

[Alain]

Ralph Alvy escreveu:
> To run my business, I use Slackware 10.2, and run the following DOS programs 
> simultaneously in a dosemu 1.2.1 MS-DOS 6.22 box:

That dosemu is too old and really bad. I coudn't use anything on it.

> WordPerfect Shell 3.1 (TSR)
> ZipKey (TSR)
> DPMouse (TSR)
> DPPrint (TSR)

What are these?

> DataPerfect (fully relational database manager)

Is this a normal "well behaviored" program?

> They run perfectly in a dosemu 1.2.1 MS-DOS 6.22 box. However, in a dosemu 
> 1.2.2 MS-DOS 6.22 box, printing doesn't work properly. It also fails to work 
> properly in a dosemu 1.3.2 MS-DOS 6.22 box.

Only wit CVS-dosemu that ZI couls run all that I wanted

> In a dosemu 1.2.1 freedos box, I can't get all 5 programs to run together. 

?? You could explain better

> Never tried later versions of freedos after that. I'll take a look at the 
> latest official release of freedos later.

See my latest message: try "said" unstable.

Alain
PS: this is list stuf, send it to the list, I wiil get it too...

Re: Newbie questions

[Ralph Alvy]

Alain wrote:
> Ralph Alvy escreveu:
>> To run my business, I use Slackware 10.2, and run the following DOS
>> programs simultaneously in a dosemu 1.2.1 MS-DOS 6.22 box:
> 
> That dosemu is too old and really bad. I coudn't use anything on it.
> 
>> WordPerfect Shell 3.1 (TSR)
>> ZipKey (TSR)
>> DPMouse (TSR)
>> DPPrint (TSR)
> 
> What are these?

WP Shell 3.1 is a menu/shell program, from which other programs are
launched. It stays in residence when the other programs are open.

ZipKey is a TSR that allows the user to, say, enter a Zip Code in a City
field, and then hit F11 (this is how I have it configured) to get ZipKey to
fill in the correct city in the City field, the correct state in the State
field, and copy the entered zip code in the Zip Code field.
 
DPMouse is a TSR that allows the use of a mouse in a DataPerfect
application. Otherwise, native DataPerfect applications don't recognize the
mouse. It also adds other capabilities to a DataPerfect application.

DPPrint is a TSR that adds certain print functions to a DataPerfect
application, including a print spooler. This print spooler doesn't work
well with dosemu 1.2.2 and dosemu 1.3.2, but works fine with dosemu 1.2.1.

>> DataPerfect (fully relational database manager)
> 
> Is this a normal "well behaviored" program?

Yes. And without the other TSRs I mentioned running at the same time,
DataPerfect applications run fine under freedos.

>> Never tried later versions of freedos after that. I'll take a look at the
>> latest official release of freedos later.
> 
> See my latest message: try "said" unstable.

Yeah, I know you mentioned "unstable", but the applications I'm talking
about are manipulating mission critical data for my business. Not sure if
the unstable freedos versions out there are okay or not.

> PS: this is list stuf, send it to the list, I wiil get it too...

When I got your message about this, I got it in private email and didn't see
it in the list, so thought you must have decided to do this privately for
some reason. Now I see the list got your message some time later. I must
have responded shortly after you posted it.

Ralph