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From: Hannes Reinecke <hare@suse.de>
To: Sean Anderson <seanga2@gmail.com>, Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Miquel Raynal <miquel.raynal@bootlin.com>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	Vignesh Raghavendra <vigneshr@ti.com>,
	linux-mtd@lists.infradead.org,
	Zhihao Cheng <chengzhihao1@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: bio segment constraints
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2025 08:10:54 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7b8c4805-a91f-4455-a021-e5d8b6078d8b@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a0ffa9b9-8649-1b63-3d56-3fc45fdfda83@gmail.com>

On 4/7/25 16:14, Sean Anderson wrote:
> On 4/7/25 03:10, Hannes Reinecke wrote:
>> On 4/6/25 21:40, Sean Anderson wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm not really sure what guarantees the block layer makes regarding the
>>> segments in a bio as part of a request submitted to a block driver. As
>>> far as I can tell this is not documented anywhere. In particular,
>>>
>>> - Is bv_len aligned to SECTOR_SIZE?
>>
>> The block layer always uses a 512 byte sector size, so yes.
>>
>>> - To logical_sector_size?
>>
>> Not necessarily. Bvecs are a consecutive list of byte ranges which
>> make up the data portion of a bio.
>> The logical sector size is a property of the request queue, which is
>> applied when a request is formed from one or several bios.
>> For the request the overall length need to be a multiple of the logical
>> sector size, but not necessarily the individual bios.
> 
> Oh, so this is worse than I thought. So if you care about e.g. only 
> submitting I/O in units of logical_block_size, you have to combine
 > segments across the entire request.>
Well, yes, and no.
You might be seeing a request with several bios, each having small
bvecs. But in the driver you will want to use an iov iterator or map
it into a sg list via blk_rq_map_sg(), and then iterate over that
for submission.

[ .. ]
>>> - Can I somehow request to only get segments with bv_len aligned to
>>>    logical_sector_size? Or do I need to do my own coalescing and bounce
>>>    buffering for that?
>>>
>>
>> The driver surely can. You should be able to set 'max_segment_size' to
>> the logical block size, and that should give you what you want.
> 
> But couldn't I get segments smaller than that? max_segment_size seems like
> it would only restrict the maximum size, leaving the possibility open for
> smaller segments.
> 
As mentioned: individual segments might. The overall request still will 
adhere to the logical block size setting (ie it will never be smaller 
than the logical block size).

Maybe have a look at drivers/mtd/ubi/block.c. There the driver will
map the request onto a scatterlist, and then iterate over the sg entries
to read in the data.

Note: mapping onto a scatterlist will coalesce adjacent bvecs, so on the
scatterlist you will find only contiguous segments which adhere to the
logical block size linmitations.

Cheers,

Hannes
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  reply	other threads:[~2025-04-08  6:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-04-06 19:40 bio segment constraints Sean Anderson
2025-04-07  7:07 ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-07 13:46   ` Keith Busch
2025-04-07 13:59     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-07 15:52       ` Bart Van Assche
2025-04-07 13:59   ` Sean Anderson
2025-04-07 14:12     ` Christoph Hellwig
2025-04-07  7:10 ` Hannes Reinecke
2025-04-07 14:14   ` Sean Anderson
2025-04-08  6:10     ` Hannes Reinecke [this message]
2025-04-08 13:57       ` Sean Anderson
2025-04-08 14:33     ` Keith Busch

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