CD-RW-Drive

CD-RW-Drive

[Peter H.]

Season Greetings,

Slackware 10, Kernel 2.4.26

I got myself an Asus Atapi CD-RW-Drive and I am not sure if this was the right 
choice for Linux. I was able to make it work following the instruction of the 
program xcdroast, however, some things seem strange.

I always get error messages telling not to use atapi instead scsi.

I had a CD with picture files on. When I copied them to the HD I can't open 
them and copying back to the CD I can't open them as well any longer. In fact 
I can not mount the CD anymore. Only xcdroast can.
$ mount /mnt/cdrom
mount: Not a directory

Trying too boot Knoppix 3.4 from the CD I get only a blank screen. Booting 
from CD and then switching to HD, Knoppix works alright.

It seems that xcdroast can only write .wav and .iso files?????

Questions:

Is there a better CD-RW-Drive for Linux than Asus? The shop is willing to 
exxchange.

Are there better programs than xcdroast to R+W and which?

Thanks & regards
 
   
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Peter

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Re: CD-RW-Drive

[Richard Adams]

On Wednesday 29 December 2004 08:06, Peter H. wrote:
> Season Greetings,
>
> Slackware 10, Kernel 2.4.26
>
> I got myself an Asus Atapi CD-RW-Drive and I am not sure if this was the
> right choice for Linux. I was able to make it work following the
> instruction of the program xcdroast, however, some things seem strange.
>
> I always get error messages telling not to use atapi instead scsi.

With 2.4.x kernels scsi is correct, add the following to /etc/lilo.conf
and rerun lilo.

append "/dev/hdc=ide-scsi"

( thats of my head, possably someone else may need to verify the syntax).
(( where /dev/hdc is your device)).

> I had a CD with picture files on. When I copied them to the HD I can't open
> them and copying back to the CD I can't open them as well any longer. In
> fact I can not mount the CD anymore. Only xcdroast can.
> $ mount /mnt/cdrom
> mount: Not a directory
>
> Trying too boot Knoppix 3.4 from the CD I get only a blank screen. Booting
> from CD and then switching to HD, Knoppix works alright.
>
> It seems that xcdroast can only write .wav and .iso files?????

No xcdraost does most all formats.

> Questions:
>
> Is there a better CD-RW-Drive for Linux than Asus? The shop is willing to
> exxchange.

Nothing wrong with mine works like a charm.

>
> Are there better programs than xcdroast to R+W and which?

There is k3b but i prefer xcdroast...

>
> Thanks & regards

-- 
If the Linux community is a bunch of thieves because they
try to imitate windows programs, then the Windows community
is built on organized crime.

Regards Richard
pa3gcu@zeelandnet.nl
http://people.zeelandnet.nl/pa3gcu/

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Re: CD-RW-Drive

[Peter Garrett]

Just a quick follow-up to correct a typo:

the command to run after editing /etc/lilo.conf is

/sbin/lilo -v

(I believe I ran two words together, which might have been confusing)

Also as to placement of the append line; it goes in the stanza that
looks something like this one:

image=/vmlinuz
        label=Linux
        initrd=/boot/initrd.gz
        read-only
        append="hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi"


you may or may not have the initrd line, depending on your kernel. Don't
change anything except the append line. And then after saving, run lilo
as above. (this bears repeating as it is easy to forget!) I have two CD
drives, hdc and hdd. You may have only one, in which case the two
entries are unnecessary, although they won't harm anything.


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Re: CD-RW-Drive

[Peter Garrett]

On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 15:06:43 +0800
"Peter H." <heisspf@skyinet.net> wrote:

> Season Greetings,
> 
> Slackware 10, Kernel 2.4.26
> 
> I got myself an Asus Atapi CD-RW-Drive and I am not sure if this was
> the right 
> choice for Linux. I was able to make it work following the
> instruction of the 
> program xcdroast, however, some things seem strange.
> 
> I always get error messages telling not to use atapi instead scsi.

Since you are using a 2.4.26 kernel, you might want to try ide-scsi
emulation.  It is deprecated for 2.6.* kernels but should be fine
with yours. If your boot loader is lilo, you can put

append="hda=scsi hdb=scsi hdc=scsi" 

or whatever devices you need scsi emulation for. I have no experience
with grub, but someone will know on this list, I'm sure.
(The append line goes in  /etc/lilo.conf  - which you will of course
need to edit as root in your editor of choice. After editing it be
sure to run/sbin/lilo-v before rebooting! Otherwise your changes won't
take effect... ) The -v for running lilo is "verbose", which might be
useful if you make an error.


> 
> I had a CD with picture files on. When I copied them to the HD I
> can't open 
> them and copying back to the CD I can't open them as well any
> longer. In fact 
> I can not mount the CD anymore. Only xcdroast can.
> $ mount /mnt/cdrom
> mount: Not a directory

This is a mystery to me, sorry - maybe someone else has a suggestion.
> 
> Trying too boot Knoppix 3.4 from the CD I get only a blank screen.
> Booting 
> from CD and then switching to HD, Knoppix works alright.
> 
> It seems that xcdroast can only write .wav and .iso files?????
> 
> Questions:
> 
> Is there a better CD-RW-Drive for Linux than Asus? The shop is
> willing to 
> exxchange.
> 
> Are there better programs than xcdroast to R+W and which?

For sheer ease of use I doubt that anything beats k3b (a KDE app - but
it will of course run happily with whatever window manager/ desktop
environment you prefer) Using the command line directly is quicker,
but confusing at first. K3b is an excellent, user-friendly CD burning
GUI program, with easy dialogs and buttons. XCDroast is fine, but k3b
is easier to use, in my opinion.
> 
> Thanks & regards
>  
>    
> -- 
> Peter
> 
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Re: CD-RW-Drive

[Jim Nelson]

Peter H. wrote:
> Season Greetings,
> 
> Slackware 10, Kernel 2.4.26
> 
> I got myself an Asus Atapi CD-RW-Drive and I am not sure if this was the right 
> choice for Linux. I was able to make it work following the instruction of the 
> program xcdroast, however, some things seem strange.
> 
> I always get error messages telling not to use atapi instead scsi.
> 
> I had a CD with picture files on. When I copied them to the HD I can't open 
> them and copying back to the CD I can't open them as well any longer. In fact 
> I can not mount the CD anymore. Only xcdroast can.
> $ mount /mnt/cdrom
> mount: Not a directory
> 

I've had similar problems with Slackware - it doesn't always set the /dev/cdrom 
symlink properly, and *really* has problems with external (SCSI, USB) CDROM 
drives.  you might want to try the full mount command (as root):

mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdb /mnt/cdrom

> Trying too boot Knoppix 3.4 from the CD I get only a blank screen. Booting 
> from CD and then switching to HD, Knoppix works alright.
> 
> It seems that xcdroast can only write .wav and .iso files?????
> 

Somewhat.  k3b is better at creating iso files, and lets you drag and drop the 
file system on the CD, but sometimes (for more advanced efforts - creating 
bootable CD's, Mac-format CD's, etc) you still need to use the mkisofs | cdrecord 
command line combo.

> Questions:
> 
> Is there a better CD-RW-Drive for Linux than Asus? The shop is willing to 
> exxchange.
> 
> Are there better programs than xcdroast to R+W and which?
> 
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Re: CD-RW-Drive

[chuck gelm]

Peter H. wrote:
> Season Greetings,
> 
> Slackware 10, Kernel 2.4.26
> 
> I got myself an Asus Atapi CD-RW-Drive and I am not sure if this was the right 
> choice for Linux. I was able to make it work following the instruction of the 
> program xcdroast, however, some things seem strange.
> 
> I always get error messages telling not to use atapi instead scsi.

  Are you using 'SCSI emulation' instead of ATAPI?

> I had a CD with picture files on. When I copied them to the HD I can't open 
> them and copying back to the CD I can't open them as well any longer. In fact 
> I can not mount the CD anymore. Only xcdroast can.
> $ mount /mnt/cdrom
> mount: Not a directory
> 
> Trying too boot Knoppix 3.4 from the CD I get only a blank screen. Booting 
> from CD and then switching to HD, Knoppix works alright.
> 
> It seems that xcdroast can only write .wav and .iso files?????
> 
> Questions:
> 
> Is there a better CD-RW-Drive for Linux than Asus? The shop is willing to 
> exxchange.
> 
> Are there better programs than xcdroast to R+W and which?
> 
> Thanks & regards

Dear Peter H.:

  During instalation of Slackware, it offers SCSI emulation and places
the statement in the first (executed) line of lilo.conf.  Here is mine:
head -n 9 /etc/lilo.conf
# LILO configuration file
# generated by 'liloconfig'
#
# Start LILO global section
append="hdc=ide-scsi"
boot = /dev/hdb2
message = /boot/boot_message.txt
prompt
timeout = 99

HTH, Chuck




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Re: CD-RW-Drive

[Ray Olszewski]

I'm coming into this discussion fairly late, so I'll try not to duplicate 
what others have already covered.

At 03:06 PM 12/29/2004 +0800, Peter H. wrote:

>Season Greetings,
>
>Slackware 10, Kernel 2.4.26
>
>I got myself an Asus Atapi CD-RW-Drive and I am not sure if this was the 
>right
>choice for Linux.

ATAPI drives are pretty standard things these days, so I'd be surprised if 
there was any special problem with this model as such. Any model will 
occasionally have an individual defective drive though, so you shouldn't 
completely rule out that possibility. But the rest of what you write leaves 
me guessing that you do not have a drive problem.

>  I was able to make it work following the instruction of the
>program xcdroast, however, some things seem strange.
>
>I always get error messages telling not to use atapi instead scsi.

Others have said a lot here already, but I want to raise more fundamental 
puzzlement. I didn't know cdrecord (see below) was even able to burn to 
atapi devices under 2.4.x kernels. You might want to report the error 
messages in more detail.

>I had a CD with picture files on. When I copied them to the HD I can't open
>them and copying back to the CD I can't open them as well any longer. In fact
>I can not mount the CD anymore. Only xcdroast can.
>$ mount /mnt/cdrom
>mount: Not a directory

People have pretty much ignored this part of your message, and it's because 
(I think) it lacks any helpful detail. But it really is the heart of your 
inquiry, so you would benefit, I think, from filling in the missing pieces 
for us.

1. What kind of picture files?

2. How did you copy them to the HD? I'd assume you mean you mounted the CD, 
then used cp to transfer them ... but I've been burned before by assuming 
the "obvious" answers to things left out of trouble reports.

3. What application are you using to try to open them? How does it fail? Do 
the pictures display successfully in some other setting (if yes, details, 
please)?

4. How do you copy them back to the CD? (I don't even have a guess about 
this one.)

5. As to your mount problem ... what does the entry in /etc/fstab for 
/mnt/cdrom look like?

>Trying too boot Knoppix 3.4 from the CD I get only a blank screen. Booting
>from CD and then switching to HD, Knoppix works alright.

I didn't see any responses to this one either, probably for the same reason 
as above. I would point out that this is (probably; you don't actually say) 
only a CD-reading issue, unrelated to any xcdroast issues you have. It is 
probably some problem specific to Knoppix CDs, an area where I have no 
experience ... perhaps a Knoppix user here can address this part separate 
from the rest of your query?

>It seems that xcdroast can only write .wav and .iso files?????

xcdroast is just a user interface to other applications that do the actual 
work. The actual writer (on my systems anyway) is cdrecord, and it can 
*write* anything you care to write.

The real issue is whether you can *read* what's written afterwards. The 
normal file types for reading are:

         iso (contains an iso9660 filesystem that can be mounted by any 
kernel that supports that filesystem type, or by any standard version of 
Windows or MacOS); and

         wav (plays in any CD player that can physically read a CD-RW disk 
and any Linux, Windows, or Mac software that knows how to treat a CD drive 
as a music source).

If you are trying to write some other type of file, you might want to tell 
us what it is and how you are trying to read it after it gets written.

>Questions:
>
>Is there a better CD-RW-Drive for Linux than Asus? The shop is willing to
>exxchange.
>
>Are there better programs than xcdroast to R+W and which?


The other standard one is cdrdao. I'm under the impression that it has 
lagged relative to cdrecord, though, so it *probably* is not a solution to 
any of your problems.





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Backup up Linux fileserver via Maxtor External Hard Drive

[Eve Atley]

We recently purchased a Maxtor External Hard Drive 250gb OneTouchII. We were
considering using this to backup data on our RedHat Linux 9 fileserver,
hooking it directly to this fileserver. One unrelated issue is that the usb
is probably 1.1 while specs are 2.0, though the drive does say it's 1.1
compatible. Second, what issues do we need to resolve in order for a. the
Linux box to read the drive, and b. formatting the unformatted external
drive to work with the Linux box?

Thanks,
Eve


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Re: Backup up Linux fileserver via Maxtor External Hard Drive

[Ray Olszewski]

At 11:31 AM 12/29/2004 -0500, Eve Atley wrote:


>We recently purchased a Maxtor External Hard Drive 250gb OneTouchII. We were
>considering using this to backup data on our RedHat Linux 9 fileserver,
>hooking it directly to this fileserver. One unrelated issue is that the usb
>is probably 1.1 while specs are 2.0, though the drive does say it's 1.1
>compatible. Second, what issues do we need to resolve in order for a. the
>Linux box to read the drive, and b. formatting the unformatted external
>drive to work with the Linux box?


Eve -- I waited a bit before replying, in the hope that someone with more 
specific knowledge than I can offer would turn up. My own experience with 
USB drives is limited to flash drives (those little keychain thingies). But 
I suspect that the issues for these USB hard disks are the same, so I'll 
tell you what I know in the hope that you will find it helpful.

First, to mount and read the drive, you need a few things set in your 
kernel. (This is for 2.4.x kernels; if you use 2.6.x, the details may 
differ a bit.)

         USB Storage -> Support for USB -> USB mass storage support
                 needs to be enabled (in kernel or loaded as a module)
         In this area, you probably also want to enable
                 USB Storage -> Support for USB ->Preliminary USB device 
filesystem

         USB drives are mounted as scsi drives, so basic scsi drive support 
needs to me provided, either in kernel or loaded as a set of modules (two, 
as I recall). Abd you need the /dev pseudofile entries for scsi devices, 
probably just /dev/sda and /dev/sda*

         an appropriate filesystem driver needs to be loaded, in the kernel 
or as a module; ext2 works fine.

Second, once you have all that set up, you should be able to use the usual 
tools to set up your USB drive. It will (probably; I don't know your setup) 
show up as /dev/sda, so you can fdisk that device to set up your 
partitions, then mkfs.ext2 whatever partitions you choose to set up, then 
use whatever you are used to using (cp, tar, whatever) to do the actual 
backups.

Third, one thing Linux is never very smart about is noticing when mounted 
filesystems are removed. You'll want to be careful to umount any 
filesystems on this drive before you disconnect it. (The USB stuff itself 
is fine about noticing the connection and disconnection of USB devices.) 
And ... this was probably obvious ... you need to umount the partitions 
after you connect the device.

Last, the only likely issue your use of USB 1.1 will raise is speed of 
packups. If that proves to be an issue for you, and your server is an i86 
system, you might want to spend the US$10 or so for a PCI card that 
provides USB 2.0.

As I said at the outset, I haven't actually used these drives myself, so 
I'm extrapolating hee from my experiences with USB flash. If I've gotten 
some details wrong, I do hope that someone will spot them and post a 
correction.




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Re: Backup up Linux fileserver via Maxtor External Hard Drive

[chuck gelm]

Eve Atley wrote:
> We recently purchased a Maxtor External Hard Drive 250gb OneTouchII. We were
> considering using this to backup data on our RedHat Linux 9 fileserver,
> hooking it directly to this fileserver. One unrelated issue is that the usb
> is probably 1.1 while specs are 2.0, though the drive does say it's 1.1
> compatible. Second, what issues do we need to resolve in order for a. the
> Linux box to read the drive, and b. formatting the unformatted external
> drive to work with the Linux box?
> 
> Thanks,
> Eve

Hi, Eve:

  I recently purchased a USB interface device that accepts a 2.5" hard 
drive.  It is USB 2.0  & 1.1 compatible, it just runs slower at v1.1
according to the documentation.  I inserted one of my linux laptop
driver and plugged it into my USB port of a Slackware v9.1,
kernel 2.4.22, workstation and 'tail /var/log/messages' reported:

Dec 29 05:18:21 server kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:10.3-6, assigned 
address 3
Dec 29 05:18:22 server kernel: scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass 
Storage devices
Dec 29 05:18:35 server kernel:  sdb: sdb1 sdb2
Dec 29 05:18:38 server usb.agent[1535]: missing kernel or user mode 
driver usb-storage

  I am not sure what the last line meant but, knowing that my
1st partition is swap and the 2nd the working partition, I:

mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt/hd

  mounts the filesystem at /mnt/hd   :-)

  'lsmod' |grep -i usb shows that
usb-storage and usbcore
  are installed.

  As Ray mentioned, if your new drive is unpartitioned and/or unformatted;
I assume that you can use 'fdisk' to partition and mkfs.????
to create a filesystem on it.

HTH, Chuck

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Re: Backup up Linux fileserver via Maxtor External Hard Drive

[Jeremy Abbott]

chuck gelm wrote:

> Eve Atley wrote:
>
>> We recently purchased a Maxtor External Hard Drive 250gb OneTouchII. 
>> We were
>> considering using this to backup data on our RedHat Linux 9 fileserver,
>> hooking it directly to this fileserver. One unrelated issue is that 
>> the usb
>> is probably 1.1 while specs are 2.0, though the drive does say it's 1.1
>> compatible. Second, what issues do we need to resolve in order for a. 
>> the
>> Linux box to read the drive, and b. formatting the unformatted external
>> drive to work with the Linux box?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Eve
>
>
> Hi, Eve:
>
>  I recently purchased a USB interface device that accepts a 2.5" hard 
> drive.  It is USB 2.0  & 1.1 compatible, it just runs slower at v1.1
> according to the documentation.  I inserted one of my linux laptop
> driver and plugged it into my USB port of a Slackware v9.1,
> kernel 2.4.22, workstation and 'tail /var/log/messages' reported:
>
> Dec 29 05:18:21 server kernel: hub.c: new USB device 00:10.3-6, 
> assigned address 3
> Dec 29 05:18:22 server kernel: scsi2 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass 
> Storage devices
> Dec 29 05:18:35 server kernel:  sdb: sdb1 sdb2
> Dec 29 05:18:38 server usb.agent[1535]: missing kernel or user mode 
> driver usb-storage
>
>  I am not sure what the last line meant but, knowing that my
> 1st partition is swap and the 2nd the working partition, I:
>
> mount /dev/sdb2 /mnt/hd
>
>  mounts the filesystem at /mnt/hd   :-)
>
>  'lsmod' |grep -i usb shows that
> usb-storage and usbcore
>  are installed.
>
>  As Ray mentioned, if your new drive is unpartitioned and/or unformatted;
> I assume that you can use 'fdisk' to partition and mkfs.????
> to create a filesystem on it.
>
> HTH, Chuck
>
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Quote "As Ray mentioned, if your new drive is unpartitioned and/or 
unformatted;
            I assume that you can use 'fdisk' to partition and mkfs.????
            to create a filesystem on it. "

To create a partion, run fdisk and partion the correct device.  If you 
wish to format the drive with a file system, you can use:

          mke2fs /dev/hdXX (sdXX for scsi) for an ext2 partition
          mke2fs -j /dev/hdXX for ext3 partition
          mkresierfs /dev/hdXX for a reiser3 partion

I personally use an ext2 on my boot partion, and a reiser 3 for 
everything else linux.

One more thing, the partitions must have a file system installed in 
order for you to mount them.

Jeremy
jkbullfrog@comcast.net

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Re: CD-RW-Drive & cdrecord & ATAPI

[chuck gelm]

Ray Olszewski wrote:
<snip>
> Others have said a lot here already, but I want to raise more 
> fundamental puzzlement. I didn't know cdrecord (see below) was even able 
> to burn to atapi devices under 2.4.x kernels. You might want to report 
> the error messages in more detail.
<snip>

Hi, Ray:

  I am using Slackware v9.1, kernel 2.4.22, and a
"CRW-5224A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive"

   'cdrecord' can 'burn' to ATAPI devices with SCSI emulation.

If append="hdc=ide-scsi" is parsed in lilo.conf during boot
( and you are using lilo as the boot loader
   and /dev/hdc is your CDROM-RW device ;-)
then applications that default to using SCSI devices will use
the ATAPI device.  Here is a script that I use to burn data to
my ATAPI CDROM-RW device:

#!/bin/bash
#
# /usr/local/bin/burncd.sh
#

cat /usr/local/bin/burncd.sh

echo ""
echo " First argument is <$1>."
echo "Second argument is <$2>."
echo ""

eject -t ; close the CDROM tray

if [ -n $1 ] ; then
  if [ -n $2 ] ; then
   cdrecord -v dev=0,0,0 fs=64M speed=$2 driveropts=burnproof $1
  else
   echo "Second argument is burn speed [1 - 52] and must not be null."
  fi
else
  echo ""
  echo "First argument is filename.ext and must not be null."
  echo ""
fi
mount /mnt/cdrom && ls -l /mnt/cdrom && umount /mnt/cdrom
echo $1
eject

HTH, Chuck


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Re: CD-RW-Drive & cdrecord & ATAPI

[Ray Olszewski]

At 02:17 PM 12/29/2004 -0500, chuck gelm wrote:

>Ray Olszewski wrote:
><snip>
>>Others have said a lot here already, but I want to raise more fundamental 
>>puzzlement. I didn't know cdrecord (see below) was even able to burn to 
>>atapi devices under 2.4.x kernels. You might want to report the error 
>>messages in more detail.
><snip>
>
>Hi, Ray:
>
>  I am using Slackware v9.1, kernel 2.4.22, and a
>"CRW-5224A, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive"
>
>   'cdrecord' can 'burn' to ATAPI devices with SCSI emulation.

Sorry, Chuck. Bad writing on my part. When I wrote the above, I meant to be 
referring to writing to atapi devices in native mode. I use scsi emulation 
here in pretty much the  same way you do and have done so for years.

I was surprised (and still am) that Peter  has an ATAPI CD burner running 
at all under 2.4.x, unless he is already using SCSI emulation (relevant 
since most of the feedback he got was about using SCSI emularion ... if 
he's already doing that, it won't help him).




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