sound card problem

sound card problem

[ymc014]

Hello,

     I had just installed Red Hat 9 but I have a problem with my
soundcard,it does not recognize the Creative SoundBlaster in my hardware, I
tried looking at the creative website for a driver suitable for linux
unfortunately I didn't find any. So am I hopeless here?I wouldn't want to go
back to XP but if I cannot use my soundcard I do not have any other option.
Thanks.

ymc



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Re: sound card problem

[Ray Olszewski]

ymc014 wrote:
> Hello,
> 
>      I had just installed Red Hat 9 but I have a problem with my
> soundcard,it does not recognize the Creative SoundBlaster in my hardware, I
> tried looking at the creative website for a driver suitable for linux
> unfortunately I didn't find any. So am I hopeless here?I wouldn't want to go
> back to XP but if I cannot use my soundcard I do not have any other option.
> Thanks.

There are many different cards whose names begin with "Creative 
SoundBlaster", and most, if not all, are supported by recent (2.4.x and 
2.6.x) Linux kernels. Typically they will use (on 2.4.x, anyway) the 
SBLive module.

First thing to do is see if "modprobe sb" does anything useful.

Second thing is to run "lspci -vv" and check the section for the 
"Multimedia audio controller". If there is not one ... might you have an 
old, ISA-bus sound card (I doubt it, since you mention XT as the 
alternate OS)?

Third thing to do is wonder if you have a PnP problem. I'm not sure what 
default Red Hat kernels do here, but the usual solution in Linux is to 
let the BIOS handle PnP (that is, in the BIOS setup screens, wherever it 
asks about "PnP OS", say No so the BIOS will know to set up IRQs ans IO 
ports.

(Do both the above things as root.)

Creative does (or did) provide some drivers, but I think the kernel 
drivers these days handle most, if not all, SoundBlaster cards. 
Certainly the info at http://opensource.creative.com/soundcard.html 
seems to say this is so. They do mention there that some more recent 
cards require the ALSA drivers, which RH may not try by default (not 
being a Red Hat user, I'm not sure what it autoprobes).

Beyond this ... we can probably be of more help to you, but not until 
you tell us more about the hardware ... a general description of the 
system (especially if it actually has sound on the mobo) and the info 
the lspci command I mention above reports about the audio subsystem. If 
you do post again with these details, please also include the output of

	lsmod
	more /proc/interrupts
	more /proc/ioports
	uname -a

Your final recourse (other than XT) is, of course, to replace the sound 
card with one that is supported. Here in the USA, that's a pretty cheap 
solution (around $30, usually little enough money to spend for the 
opportunity to run Linux). I don't know if prices in Japan are similarly 
modest, though.

BTW, these days Red Hat 9 is not current version of Linux. If you prefer 
REd Hat to the other distros, you probably want to move to Fedora (see 
http://www.redhat.com/apps/download/ to get started with this). But this 
is probably not related to your problem.

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Re: sound card problem

[ymc014]

Hello,

    I really apologize for not informing in advance that this is the first
time I've used linux,I've been using windows through the years,from windows
95 up to windows XP(my OS before I've decided to switch to Linux) so I do
not really know what is "modprobe sb","lspci-vv" etc., I am reading a FAQ
though(as of this writing I've just open the link to a FAQ given below) but
for now I may not be able to give you the details that you want to know to
help me except for my hardware or system.

I have a fairly new sytem:
      Pentium 4, speed 2.8 GHz (HyperThread and of course a suitable
      motherboard)
      512MB RAM(PC-400 Kingston)
      80 GB Seagate HDD(not SATA)
      Soundcard: It says here in the box,Creative SoundBlaster Audigy LS
                        Asian Edition

      OS: Windows XP Home Edition

So there,and by the way,although the price of a soundcard here is
affordable,I have just bought my soundcard last december and I am wont to
use it.

I will take up your suggestion though to try Fedora but I will have to
familiarize first this one. I appreciate very much your help.Thank You.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Olszewski" <ray@comarre.com>
To: "linux-newbie" <linux-newbie@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 10:02 AM
Subject: Re: sound card problem


> ymc014 wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> >      I had just installed Red Hat 9 but I have a problem with my
> > soundcard,it does not recognize the Creative SoundBlaster in my
hardware, I
> > tried looking at the creative website for a driver suitable for linux
> > unfortunately I didn't find any. So am I hopeless here?I wouldn't want
to go
> > back to XP but if I cannot use my soundcard I do not have any other
option.
> > Thanks.

Ray Olszewski san wrote:

> There are many different cards whose names begin with "Creative
> SoundBlaster", and most, if not all, are supported by recent (2.4.x and
> 2.6.x) Linux kernels. Typically they will use (on 2.4.x, anyway) the
> SBLive module.
>
> First thing to do is see if "modprobe sb" does anything useful.
>
> Second thing is to run "lspci -vv" and check the section for the
> "Multimedia audio controller". If there is not one ... might you have an
> old, ISA-bus sound card (I doubt it, since you mention XT as the
> alternate OS)?
>
> Third thing to do is wonder if you have a PnP problem. I'm not sure what
> default Red Hat kernels do here, but the usual solution in Linux is to
> let the BIOS handle PnP (that is, in the BIOS setup screens, wherever it
> asks about "PnP OS", say No so the BIOS will know to set up IRQs ans IO
> ports.
>
> (Do both the above things as root.)
>
> Creative does (or did) provide some drivers, but I think the kernel
> drivers these days handle most, if not all, SoundBlaster cards.
> Certainly the info at http://opensource.creative.com/soundcard.html
> seems to say this is so. They do mention there that some more recent
> cards require the ALSA drivers, which RH may not try by default (not
> being a Red Hat user, I'm not sure what it autoprobes).
>
> Beyond this ... we can probably be of more help to you, but not until
> you tell us more about the hardware ... a general description of the
> system (especially if it actually has sound on the mobo) and the info
> the lspci command I mention above reports about the audio subsystem. If
> you do post again with these details, please also include the output of
>
> lsmod
> more /proc/interrupts
> more /proc/ioports
> uname -a
>
> Your final recourse (other than XT) is, of course, to replace the sound
> card with one that is supported. Here in the USA, that's a pretty cheap
> solution (around $30, usually little enough money to spend for the
> opportunity to run Linux). I don't know if prices in Japan are similarly
> modest, though.
>
> BTW, these days Red Hat 9 is not current version of Linux. If you prefer
> REd Hat to the other distros, you probably want to move to Fedora (see
> http://www.redhat.com/apps/download/ to get started with this). But this
> is probably not related to your problem.
>
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Re: sound card problem

[Ray Olszewski]

ymc014 wrote:
> Hello,
> 
>     I really apologize for not informing in advance that this is the first
> time I've used linux,I've been using windows through the years,from windows
> 95 up to windows XP(my OS before I've decided to switch to Linux) so I do
> not really know what is "modprobe sb","lspci-vv" etc., I am reading a FAQ
> though(as of this writing I've just open the link to a FAQ given below) but
> for now I may not be able to give you the details that you want to know to
> help me except for my hardware or system.

Yeah, I pretty much read you as a first-timer from your earlier message. 
That's why I gave you the *exact* commands you need to type in to get 
the relevant information. All you need to do is type what I wrote and 
look at (or send us) the output. But see below; you probably do not 
actually have to go through all of that now.

> 
> I have a fairly new sytem:
>       Pentium 4, speed 2.8 GHz (HyperThread and of course a suitable
>       motherboard)
>       512MB RAM(PC-400 Kingston)
>       80 GB Seagate HDD(not SATA)
>       Soundcard: It says here in the box,Creative SoundBlaster Audigy LS
>                         Asian Edition
> 
>       OS: Windows XP Home Edition

Ah, that explains the problem. The Creative Website that you probably 
found says, in part --

"Some OEM cards and the latest retail boards (such as the Dell CT0200 
and the Audigy LS) will not work with the drivers included in most Linux 
distributions. For those cards, try the latest code from ALSA or 
purchase a driver from 4FrontTechnologies."

Unless you want to pay for the proprietary 4Front drivers (I'm not 
familiar with them myself), it sounds like you need to use the ALSA 
sound modules, not the standard (OSS) modules that come with the Linux 
kernel.

Use the Red Hat Package Manager utilities (rpm-find, I think) to find 
the alsa package (its name will probably be something like 
alsa-modules-2.4-something-or-other) and install it on your system. (One 
of the Red Hat or Fedora users here will have to help you with using 
rpm, since I use a different distro and have not used rpm in 5 or more 
years.) Also look for a package named something like alsa-utils ... it 
includes, among other things, an app that will detect your sound card 
and set up the alsa modules to support it.

> 
> So there,and by the way,although the price of a soundcard here is
> affordable,I have just bought my soundcard last december and I am wont to
> use it.
> 
> I will take up your suggestion though to try Fedora but I will have to
> familiarize first this one. I appreciate very much your help.Thank You.
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Re: sound card problem

[ymc014]

Hello,

    I'm sorry it took me long to reply back.The reason is that the solutions
given generate more questions than answers for me(how do I type the *exact*
commands where?,the instructions given by Eric Bambach to press CTRL-ALT-F1
did help but I was not used to seeing $ in my command prompt)and rather than
posting countless questions,what I did was bought myself a book(linux for
dummies w/ a fedora core1 on it)familiarize the commands then go to the ALSA
website.
    For those interested this is how I did it(under fedora core1):
     1. Go to www.alsa-project.org download section and download
these:alsa-driver,alsa-lib package,alsa-utils package(the latest the
better).
     2. Go to the soundcard matrix section(click Soundcard at the top beside
         Download)choose the manufacturer(in my case Creative Labs) at the
         bottom portion,click go.
     3. Go to your respective soundcard model(in my case,SoundBlaster Audigy
LS),under
         Driver & Docs column click the details(in my case ca0106).
     4. The details gave all the necessary instructions just follow them,it
works for me.(If you are
          having a difficulty in the command line better try googling for
tutorials first before
          proceeding,I could not help here since I bought a book,you could
too but it will cost you)
          Then test(using xine or xmms).
     5. Here's one thing more,every time you start fedora the default
setting for the sound card is
         mute,you could add these lines to /etc/modules.conf to
automatically save levels at shut
         down:
                   post-install snd-card-0 /usr/sbin/alsactl restore
>/dev/null 2>&1 || :
                   pre-remove snd-card-0 /usr/sbin/alsactl store >/dev/null
2>&1 || :

I did tried the RPMs but it did not work for me(Maybe I missed up something,
if you would like to try, go to http://freshrpms.net to download the RPMs)

So there,thanks to Ray & Eric and others who gave time to answer my
questions,I appreciate
it very much.


----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray Olszewski" <ray@comarre.com>
To: "linux-newbie" <linux-newbie@vger.kernel.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2005 12:15 PM
Subject: Re: sound card problem


> Yeah, I pretty much read you as a first-timer from your earlier message.
> That's why I gave you the *exact* commands you need to type in to get
> the relevant information. All you need to do is type what I wrote and
> look at (or send us) the output. But see below; you probably do not
> actually have to go through all of that now.
>
> >
> > I have a fairly new sytem:
> >       Soundcard: It says here in the box,Creative SoundBlaster Audigy LS
> >                         Asian Edition

> Ah, that explains the problem. The Creative Website that you probably
> found says, in part --
>
> "Some OEM cards and the latest retail boards (such as the Dell CT0200
> and the Audigy LS) will not work with the drivers included in most Linux
> distributions. For those cards, try the latest code from ALSA or
> purchase a driver from 4FrontTechnologies."
>
> Use the Red Hat Package Manager utilities (rpm-find, I think) to find
> the alsa package (its name will probably be something like


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Re: sound card problem

[Eric Bambach]

On Wednesday 20 April 2005 11:04 pm, ymc014 wrote:
> Hello,
>
>     I really apologize for not informing in advance that this is the first
> time I've used linux,I've been using windows through the years,from windows
> 95 up to windows XP(my OS before I've decided to switch to Linux) so I do
> not really know what is "modprobe sb","lspci-vv" etc., 

What Ray means is to type in these commands at a console. In KDE you can look 
for the program konsole. This will give you a command console similiar to a 
DOS command prompt (But infinitely more powerful ;). You have to do these as 
the root user. That means when you open the (c/k)onsole, you must type 'su' 
and it will ask you for the root password that you specified at install time. 
If you lack konsole, all distributions will let you push CTRL-ALT-F1 and you 
will get a raw login console. Username root and your password will let you 
then type in the commands Ray Specified.
Furthermore, lacking konsole, you can try the program 'xterm' for the same 
results. Remeber to type these as the root user or you lack enough 
permissions to get things done!

I hope that lets you start on Ray's advice!

-- 
----------------------------------------
--EB

> All is fine except that I can reliably "oops" it simply by trying to read
> from /proc/apm (e.g. cat /proc/apm).
> oops output and ksymoops-2.3.4 output is attached.
> Is there anything else I can contribute?

The latitude and longtitude of the bios writers current position, and
a ballistic missile.

                --Alan Cox LKML-December 08,2000 

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Re: sound card problem

[James Miller]

On Wed, 20 Apr 2005, Eric Bambach wrote:

> What Ray means is to type in these commands at a console. In KDE you can look
> for the program konsole. This will give you a command console similiar to a
> DOS command prompt (But infinitely more powerful ;). You have to do these as
> the root user. That means when you open the (c/k)onsole, you must type 'su'
> and it will ask you for the root password that you specified at install time.
> If you lack konsole, all distributions will let you push CTRL-ALT-F1 and you
> will get a raw login console. Username root and your password will let you
> then type in the commands Ray Specified.
> Furthermore, lacking konsole, you can try the program 'xterm' for the same
> results. Remeber to type these as the root user or you lack enough
> permissions to get things done!

To clarify yet further, "console" means something very similar to what 
Windows users call a "DOS box." In other words, under start>programs 
>accessories on a Windows system there will be an item "C:\ prompt" or
something like that (location of the program's shortcut varies according 
to Windows version). When you click that item, a window opens up with a 
black background and a command prompt like C:\_<blinking cursor here where 
you can type some DOS command like "dir">. In Linux, a "console" or 
"xterm" works very similarly. It is a place to type commands to get info 
about the system (as in Ray's suggestion), run or compile programs and 
perform other user or administrative functions.

James
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