Disk Image

Disk Image

[Paul Kraus]

Is there a way to create an image of a hard drive that is on our network
and save that image to a directory on my Linux server? For instance in
windows I would do this with ghost program.

Paul Kraus
Network Administrator
PEL Supply Company
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216-267-6176 Fax
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Re: Disk Image

[Don Petrowski]

You can use the dd comand:

    dd if={hard drive}  of={filename}
    dd if=/dev/hda  of=disk1.img

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RE: Disk Image

[Paul Kraus]

I think you are seeing this backwards. I want to create the image of a
hard drive that is on the network to my linux box.

Sample

Micro$oft Machine  -   Redhat Machine

Create an image of the Microsoft machines "c" drive and store that image
on the redhat machine.

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Petrowski [mailto:dpetrowski@ci.collierville.tn.us] 
Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:57 PM
To: Paul Kraus
Subject: RE: Disk Image


dd if=/dev/hda of=/mnt/directory/disk1.img

should create the image on your network.  The image will contain all
drive information including partition tables.  You could also use 

dd if=/dev/hda3 of=/mnt/directory/disk1.img

if you wanted to make an image of just a certain patition like partition
number 3 (/dev/hda3).  You can look in /etc/fstab to see which
partitions you have setup.


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RE: Disk Image

[Ray Olszewski]

At 04:03 PM 10/10/02 -0400, Paul Kraus wrote:
>I think you are seeing this backwards. I want to create the image of a
>hard drive that is on the network to my linux box.
>
>Sample
>
>Micro$oft Machine  -   Redhat Machine
>
>Create an image of the Microsoft machines "c" drive and store that image
>on the redhat machine.


Paul -- You need to clarify this still a bit more.

1. "Drive" is ambiguous. In the Linux world, a "drive" is a physical device 
(e.g., IDE primary, accessed as /dev/hda). A drive contains partitions that 
in turn contain filesystems. Windows people seem to use "drive" to refer 
both to a physical device and to a filesystem in a partition on a drive. In 
Linux/Unix terminology, your example -- "Microsoft machines "c" drive" -- 
probably refers to creating an image of a *filesystem*, not a *drive*. Is 
that what you really mean?

2. I assume you want to run something on the Linux server that does this 
job. So ... how is the filesystem visible to Linux on the server? It is an 
NFS mount? An SMB mount? Something else?

3. With boot drives, there are special considerations, involving the boot 
sector and possibly some files that need to be in known locations (this is 
true for LILO, at least; I'm not expert enough in Windows to know what 
might matter there). Does this backup-to-image solution need to address any 
restrictions that are, in this sense, outside the structure of the filesystem?

4. How much flexibility does the corresponding restore function need? Does 
it need only to restore to the same physical drive (or another that is 
physically identical), or do you want to be able to put a copy of the 
filesystem on a another drive with different geometry (and perhaps even a 
different partition structure)?

A general suggestion ... coming from a Windows background, you may assume 
that Windows is s good starting reference point for capabilities. This 
isn't true for all of us here; though I use Windows on my desktop, there 
are many things I know how to do with Linux that I can't begin to guess how 
to do with Windows. So, in this case, your reference to "ghost" does not 
help me understand your needs. I'm sure I'm not the only one here with this 
particular combination of knowledge and ignorance ... you might get better 
responses if you didn't rely on Windows examples to  clarify your needs.

Since I don't know how ghost works, let me ask this ... would a solution be 
to run ghost on the Windows host, them simply transfer (in any of the usual 
ways) the image it creates to the Linux server?


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RE: Disk Image

[Paul Kraus]

Answers below
--------
1. "Drive" is ambiguous. In the Linux world, a "drive" is a physical
device 
(e.g., IDE primary, accessed as /dev/hda). A drive contains partitions
that 
in turn contain filesystems. Windows people seem to use "drive" to refer

both to a physical device and to a filesystem in a partition on a drive.
In 
Linux/Unix terminology, your example -- "Microsoft machines "c" drive"
-- 
probably refers to creating an image of a *filesystem*, not a *drive*.
Is 
that what you really mean?
-=-=-=-=--=-=
I can see the confusion. It would be a Partition (with a windows file
system) on 
A physical drive attached to a windows machine.

2. I assume you want to run something on the Linux server that does this

job. So ... how is the filesystem visible to Linux on the server? It is
an 
NFS mount? An SMB mount? Something else?
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
I can mount the file system using SMB. Cp and tar are not viable options

As they can not do anything with locked files. Which is why I was hoping

For something similar to Norton Ghost which does a byte by Byte image.

3. With boot drives, there are special considerations, involving the
boot 
sector and possibly some files that need to be in known locations (this
is 
true for LILO, at least; I'm not expert enough in Windows to know what 
might matter there). Does this backup-to-image solution need to address
any 
restrictions that are, in this sense, outside the structure of the
filesystem?
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
No it does not. There are a couple machines (The CEO and VP) that I
would like to 
Be able to do a full system restore without having to load any apps or
windows itself.
To minimize downtime and to return there systems to the exact state of
when the backup 
Occurred.

4. How much flexibility does the corresponding restore function need?
Does 
it need only to restore to the same physical drive (or another that is 
physically identical), or do you want to be able to put a copy of the 
filesystem on a another drive with different geometry (and perhaps even
a 
different partition structure)?
-=-=-=-=-=
In the event that the hard drive was physically broken I may need to
install
A new hard drive that would have a different geometry. The same
partition
Size would be acceptable but I would prefer to be able to restore the
image to
A larger partition.

A general suggestion ... coming from a Windows background, you may
assume 
that Windows is s good starting reference point for capabilities. This 
isn't true for all of us here; though I use Windows on my desktop, there

are many things I know how to do with Linux that I can't begin to guess
how 
to do with Windows. So, in this case, your reference to "ghost" does not

help me understand your needs. I'm sure I'm not the only one here with
this 
particular combination of knowledge and ignorance ... you might get
better 
responses if you didn't rely on Windows examples to  clarify your needs.
-=-=-=-==
Linux is by far a better OS every day I keep looking at my windows
desktop and 
Wanting to install LINUX. I use windows examples assuming (falsely) that
everyone
Has some knowledge of it and its apps so I try to use an app I think is
familiar 
To try portray my needs. I will refrain from this in the future.

Since I don't know how ghost works, let me ask this ... would a solution
be 
to run ghost on the Windows host, them simply transfer (in any of the
usual 
ways) the image it creates to the Linux server?
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
This would be a solution but then I require a 3rd machine in order to do
the restore.
1. the workstation that is to be imaged, 2. the Linux server that is
holding that image, 3. the windows machine that can run ghost.
I am trying to replace all the things I do with windows with Linux. I am
using this as a way to become familiar with Linux as well as a way to
become independent of Microsoft.


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odds!"--------
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Palo Alto, California, USA			  ray@comarre.com
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RE: Disk Image

[Brett]

Your disk image question is really going to need some software that can
run from a floppy so no files on the partitions you want to copy are in
use.  It also needs to connect the workstation your takeing the image
from to the network so the large image can be copied to the server.

We use some software from PowerQuest.  I forget the name of it.  Deploy
something or other.  Anyway, all I use of it is the part that builds the
boot floppies.  When creating the floppies, I tell it what server and
share I want to connect to to store the image. Actually, several different
connections can be used.
I suppose if someone were clever, A boot floppy could be created that had
just enough software on it to provide a console, connect to a NIC, mount a
HD partition, mount a place on a Linux server and then, I suppose use dd
to copy the partition to the server.

You mentioned ghost needing another server to run.  I have only used ghost
once but it worked just like the stuff we got from PowerQuest.  It just
ran from a floppy. I think it would do what you want but you will need to
go to the workstation and boot it from the floppy.

Same floppy is used to restore the image.

Brett
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Linux linuxDBA 2.4.18-4GB #1 Wed Mar 27 13:57:05 UTC 2002 i686 unknown
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On Thu, 10 Oct 2002, Paul Kraus wrote:

> Answers below
> --------
> 1. "Drive" is ambiguous. In the Linux world, a "drive" is a physical
> device
> (e.g., IDE primary, accessed as /dev/hda). A drive contains partitions
> that
> in turn contain filesystems. Windows people seem to use "drive" to refer
>
> both to a physical device and to a filesystem in a partition on a drive.
> In
> Linux/Unix terminology, your example -- "Microsoft machines "c" drive"
> --
> probably refers to creating an image of a *filesystem*, not a *drive*.
> Is
> that what you really mean?
> -=-=-=-=--=-=
> I can see the confusion. It would be a Partition (with a windows file
> system) on
> A physical drive attached to a windows machine.
>
> 2. I assume you want to run something on the Linux server that does this
>
> job. So ... how is the filesystem visible to Linux on the server? It is
> an
> NFS mount? An SMB mount? Something else?
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> I can mount the file system using SMB. Cp and tar are not viable options
>
> As they can not do anything with locked files. Which is why I was hoping
>
> For something similar to Norton Ghost which does a byte by Byte image.
>
> 3. With boot drives, there are special considerations, involving the
> boot
> sector and possibly some files that need to be in known locations (this
> is
> true for LILO, at least; I'm not expert enough in Windows to know what
> might matter there). Does this backup-to-image solution need to address
> any
> restrictions that are, in this sense, outside the structure of the
> filesystem?
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> No it does not. There are a couple machines (The CEO and VP) that I
> would like to
> Be able to do a full system restore without having to load any apps or
> windows itself.
> To minimize downtime and to return there systems to the exact state of
> when the backup
> Occurred.
>
> 4. How much flexibility does the corresponding restore function need?
> Does
> it need only to restore to the same physical drive (or another that is
> physically identical), or do you want to be able to put a copy of the
> filesystem on a another drive with different geometry (and perhaps even
> a
> different partition structure)?
> -=-=-=-=-=
> In the event that the hard drive was physically broken I may need to
> install
> A new hard drive that would have a different geometry. The same
> partition
> Size would be acceptable but I would prefer to be able to restore the
> image to
> A larger partition.
>
> A general suggestion ... coming from a Windows background, you may
> assume
> that Windows is s good starting reference point for capabilities. This
> isn't true for all of us here; though I use Windows on my desktop, there
>
> are many things I know how to do with Linux that I can't begin to guess
> how
> to do with Windows. So, in this case, your reference to "ghost" does not
>
> help me understand your needs. I'm sure I'm not the only one here with
> this
> particular combination of knowledge and ignorance ... you might get
> better
> responses if you didn't rely on Windows examples to  clarify your needs.
> -=-=-=-==
> Linux is by far a better OS every day I keep looking at my windows
> desktop and
> Wanting to install LINUX. I use windows examples assuming (falsely) that
> everyone
> Has some knowledge of it and its apps so I try to use an app I think is
> familiar
> To try portray my needs. I will refrain from this in the future.
>
> Since I don't know how ghost works, let me ask this ... would a solution
> be
> to run ghost on the Windows host, them simply transfer (in any of the
> usual
> ways) the image it creates to the Linux server?
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> This would be a solution but then I require a 3rd machine in order to do
> the restore.
> 1. the workstation that is to be imaged, 2. the Linux server that is
> holding that image, 3. the windows machine that can run ghost.
> I am trying to replace all the things I do with windows with Linux. I am
> using this as a way to become familiar with Linux as well as a way to
> become independent of Microsoft.
>
>
> --
> -------------------------------------------"Never tell me the
> odds!"--------
> Ray Olszewski					-- Han Solo
> Palo Alto, California, USA			  ray@comarre.com
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Re: Disk Image

[ichi]

Brett wrote:
> 
> I suppose if someone were clever, A boot floppy could be 
> created that had just enough software on it to provide a 
> console, connect to a NIC, mount a HD partition, mount a 
> place on a Linux server and then, I suppose use dd to copy 
> the partition to the server.

All you really need is tomsrtbt (a one-floppy Linux).
It includes dd, mount and networking for PLIP, SLIP 
and several popular ethernet cards.  Don't leave home 
without it.

Cheers,
Steven

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RE: Disk Image

[Brian P. Bilbrey]

On Thu, 2002-10-10 at 16:03, Paul Kraus wrote:
> I think you are seeing this backwards. I want to create the image of a
> hard drive that is on the network to my linux box.

So, can you envision a way to "reverse" the idea he gave you to solve
your problem? 

	* * *

It's non-trivial in the sense that you can't just use the administrative
share, samba-mount the windows partition and copy it - there are files
in use that Windows won't let you copy while you're running Windows. If
you need an image that you can restore, I can think of methods using
Linux, it would certainly be fairly easy if the box that runs windows
dual boots with Linux, because then you can boot into linux and dd the
drive, directing the output to a file on a remote-mounted partition
(either NFS or ?). But then, we don't actually know what you want to
accomplish. If you want to do the same thing for tens of machines, why
not get ghost and image each box? It works, afterall. 

Otherwise, fashion some way of booting into Linux (via a CD rescue disk
perhaps), nfs- or samba-mount a remote partition, and dd the drive image
to a file remotely. THen if you need to restore it, just reverse that
process.

Have fun,

.brian

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	the size of the state of Rhode Island. 
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Re: Disk Image

[Carsten Perthel]

Hello Paul,


Just found on the web: http://www.partimage.org

I think this is something like a Norton Ghost clone for Linux. I haven't 
tried this yet, but it looks very promising.

Hope this helps a bit.


Regards,

Carsten



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Re: Disk Image

[Ken Boyer]

I believe the new version - Ghost 2003 - supports Linux file systems.

Ken

> Hello Paul,
>
>
> Just found on the web: http://www.partimage.org
>
> I think this is something like a Norton Ghost clone for Linux. I
> haven't  tried this yet, but it looks very promising.
>
> Hope this helps a bit.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Carsten
>
>
>
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