Fwd: W$ 2K...

Fwd: W$ 2K...

[James Hatridge]

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Subject: W$ 2K...
Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 15:47:27 +0200
From: James Hatridge <James.Hatridge@epost.de>
To: SUSE OT <suse-ot@suse.com>

Hi all....

For the first time since Windows 3.1 I have installed W$ on one of my
 systems. Due to needing to see what my web site looks like under IE I broke
 down and did it.  I got a copy of W$2K from a friend.

I now have a system running 2K, but I can not seem to get it to connect to my
other system. Here's the deal

Opus == Linux

Penguin == 2K

I can ping from Penguin to Opus and it works. But when I ping from Opus to
Penguin, Opus gets nothing, but Penguin give an error.

When I try to use IE to get to Opus's web site
(Opus.epost.de/~hatridge/bulletin)  I get a page not found error.

I'm sure that it's just a config problem. Could one of you guys talk me thru
setting up 2K for a home network. I don't need email, or file sharing etc,
only IE

TIA

JIM

Jim Hatridge
Linux User #88484
--
Our country was colonized by the religious, political, economic, and criminal
rejects of every country in the world. We have been carefully breeding
 insane, obsessive, fanatic lunatics with each other for over 400 years,
 resulting in the glorious strain of humanity known as "Americans". You have
 to expect some... peculiarities.

Read about new German stamps each quarter:
	 http:/www.fecundswamp.net/~hatridge/bulletin

-------------------------------------------------------

Jim Hatridge
Linux User #88484
-- 
Our country was colonized by the religious, political, economic, and criminal
rejects of every country in the world. We have been carefully breeding insane, 
obsessive, fanatic lunatics with each other for over 400 years, resulting in 
the glorious strain of humanity known as "Americans". You have to expect 
some... peculiarities. 

Read about new German stamps each quarter:
	 http:/www.fecundswamp.net/~hatridge/bulletin

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Re: Fwd: W$ 2K...

[Frank Roberts - SOTL]

My knowledge on this subject is zero but I did but an excellent guide on it 
several months back.

Linux and Windows Interoperability Guide
By Ed Bradford and Lou Mauget
Prentice Hall PTR
Upper Saddle River NJ 07458
www.phptr.com
ISBN 0-13-032477-4
         0-13-032477-9

Appears to be by IBM
USD 44.99
CDA 68.00

About 2 inches of information.



On Monday 28 July 2003 00:41, James Hatridge wrote:
> ----------  Forwarded Message  ----------
>
> Subject: W$ 2K...
> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 15:47:27 +0200
> From: James Hatridge <James.Hatridge@epost.de>
> To: SUSE OT <suse-ot@suse.com>
>
> Hi all....
>
> For the first time since Windows 3.1 I have installed W$ on one of my
>  systems. Due to needing to see what my web site looks like under IE I
> broke down and did it.  I got a copy of W$2K from a friend.
>
> I now have a system running 2K, but I can not seem to get it to connect to
> my other system. Here's the deal
>
> Opus == Linux
>
> Penguin == 2K
>
> I can ping from Penguin to Opus and it works. But when I ping from Opus to
> Penguin, Opus gets nothing, but Penguin give an error.
>
> When I try to use IE to get to Opus's web site
> (Opus.epost.de/~hatridge/bulletin)  I get a page not found error.
>
> I'm sure that it's just a config problem. Could one of you guys talk me
> thru setting up 2K for a home network. I don't need email, or file sharing
> etc, only IE
>
> TIA
>
> JIM
>
> Jim Hatridge
> Linux User #88484
> --
> Our country was colonized by the religious, political, economic, and
> criminal rejects of every country in the world. We have been carefully
> breeding insane, obsessive, fanatic lunatics with each other for over 400
> years, resulting in the glorious strain of humanity known as "Americans".
> You have to expect some... peculiarities.
>
> Read about new German stamps each quarter:
> 	 http:/www.fecundswamp.net/~hatridge/bulletin
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> Jim Hatridge
> Linux User #88484

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Re: Fwd: W$ 2K...

[Ray Olszewski]

James --

A Linux list is not the best place to look for someone to "talk through" a 
Windows 2000 installation and configuration. OTOH, your problem *might* be 
interoperability with Linux, and that is a suitable topic for getting help 
here. Or, from the symptoms you describe, it might even be a problem on the 
Linux end.

In that spirit ... you say

>But when I ping from Opus to
>Penguin, Opus gets nothing, but Penguin give an error.

What is the error (the actual message, word for word) and where goes 
Penguin "give" it? Do you *know* that Opus responds to pings from other 
sources (for **example**, that "more 
/proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all" returns a "0")? If "yes", please 
mention *how* you know it.

Next, when you say ...

>When I try to use IE to get to Opus's web site
>(Opus.epost.de/~hatridge/bulletin)  I get a page not found error.

... what are the details of this setup? If I try to connect to this URL 
from here, I am unable to resolve opus.post.de, so I surmise this is a 
server on a NAT'd LAN. Can you connect to that page from *anywhere*? 
Anywhere other than from Opus itself?

What do the routing tables on both machines look like? (On the Win2K 
machine, open a DOS window and enter "route print".) How does the Win2K 
machine get its IP and nameserver addresses, and are they correct? Can the 
Win2K host ping its default gateway address (whatever that is, probably 
your router) and its nameserver address(es)?

Does the Linux host run any firewall? If so, might it be interfering with 
responses to the Win2K host?

Finally, what are the basics of the Linux system? What distro, version, and 
kernel?

At 06:41 AM 7/28/2003 +0200, James Hatridge wrote:


>----------  Forwarded Message  ----------
>
>Subject: W$ 2K...
>Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 15:47:27 +0200
>From: James Hatridge <James.Hatridge@epost.de>
>To: SUSE OT <suse-ot@suse.com>
>
>Hi all....
>
>For the first time since Windows 3.1 I have installed W$ on one of my
>  systems. Due to needing to see what my web site looks like under IE I broke
>  down and did it.  I got a copy of W$2K from a friend.
>
>I now have a system running 2K, but I can not seem to get it to connect to my
>other system. Here's the deal
>
>Opus == Linux
>
>Penguin == 2K
>
>I can ping from Penguin to Opus and it works. But when I ping from Opus to
>Penguin, Opus gets nothing, but Penguin give an error.
>
>When I try to use IE to get to Opus's web site
>(Opus.epost.de/~hatridge/bulletin)  I get a page not found error.
>
>I'm sure that it's just a config problem. Could one of you guys talk me thru
>setting up 2K for a home network. I don't need email, or file sharing etc,
>only IE



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Re: Fwd: W$ 2K...

[James Hatridge]

HI Ray et al...
On Monday 28 July 2003 15:58, Ray Olszewski wrote:
> James --
>
> A Linux list is not the best place to look for someone to "talk through" a
> Windows 2000 installation and configuration. OTOH, your problem *might* be

Well you might be right. But I'm not on any W$ lists and most Linux guys know 
W$ too. Either by having switched from it or using it at work. Anyway the 
deal is you will not find Opus on the net. This is a home net only. I write 
my site at home and then upload it. 

> interoperability with Linux, and that is a suitable topic for getting help
> here. Or, from the symptoms you describe, it might even be a problem on the
> Linux end.

I really don't think so since I have 5 other Linux systems up and running on 
this net and one DOS system. 

> In that spirit ... you say
>
> >But when I ping from Opus to
> >Penguin, Opus gets nothing, but Penguin give an error.
>
> What is the error (the actual message, word for word) and where goes

I don't have the system up at the moment, but the W$ error was something about 
an IP and not allowed etc. 

> Penguin "give" it? Do you *know* that Opus responds to pings from other
> sources (for **example**, that "more
> /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all" returns a "0")? If "yes", please
> mention *how* you know it.

OK, when I am on Penguin (W$) at the DOS command line, I type in ping 
192.168.17.41 (That's Opus) it works fine. 

> Next, when you say ...
>
> >When I try to use IE to get to Opus's web site
> >(Opus.epost.de/~hatridge/bulletin)  I get a page not found error.
>
> ... what are the details of this setup? If I try to connect to this URL
> from here, I am unable to resolve opus.post.de, so I surmise this is a
> server on a NAT'd LAN. Can you connect to that page from *anywhere*?
> Anywhere other than from Opus itself?

Sorry this is my test site on my home net. The real site is listed below in my 
sig. <G>

> What do the routing tables on both machines look like? (On the Win2K
> machine, open a DOS window and enter "route print".) 

> How does the Win2K
> machine get its IP and nameserver addresses, and are they correct? Can the
This is a large part of my question I'm not sure if I've done it correctly. In 
fact I'm sure I've got it messed up. That's the problem.<G>

> Win2K host ping its default gateway address (whatever that is, probably
> your router) and its nameserver address(es)?

No router, just a hub.  I don't use a nameserver on Linux do I need it with 
W$? 
(Ok I know I sound as bad as a first day newbie, but I am new with W$ <G>)

> Does the Linux host run any firewall? If so, might it be interfering with
> responses to the Win2K host?

No firewall.

> Finally, what are the basics of the Linux system? What distro, version, and
> kernel?

I am running a simple install of SuSE 8.1. 

Thanks for you all's help....


JIM


> At 06:41 AM 7/28/2003 +0200, James Hatridge wrote:
> >----------  Forwarded Message  ----------
> >
> >Subject: W$ 2K...
> >Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 15:47:27 +0200
>
> From: James Hatridge <James.Hatridge@epost.de>
>
> >To: SUSE OT <suse-ot@suse.com>
> >
> >Hi all....
> >
> >For the first time since Windows 3.1 I have installed W$ on one of my
> >  systems. Due to needing to see what my web site looks like under IE I
> > broke down and did it.  I got a copy of W$2K from a friend.
> >
> >I now have a system running 2K, but I can not seem to get it to connect to
> > my other system. Here's the deal
> >
> >Opus == Linux
> >
> >Penguin == 2K
> >
> >I can ping from Penguin to Opus and it works. But when I ping from Opus to
> >Penguin, Opus gets nothing, but Penguin give an error.
> >
> >When I try to use IE to get to Opus's web site
> >(Opus.epost.de/~hatridge/bulletin)  I get a page not found error.
> >
> >I'm sure that it's just a config problem. Could one of you guys talk me
> > thru setting up 2K for a home network. I don't need email, or file
> > sharing etc, only IE
>
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Jim Hatridge
Linux User #88484
-- 
Our country was colonized by the religious, political, economic, and criminal
rejects of every country in the world. We have been carefully breeding insane, 
obsessive, fanatic lunatics with each other for over 400 years, resulting in 
the glorious strain of humanity known as "Americans". You have to expect 
some... peculiarities. 

Read about new German stamps each quarter:
	 http:/www.fecundswamp.net/~hatridge/bulletin

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Re: Fwd: W$ 2K...

[Ray Olszewski]

At 08:28 PM 7/28/2003 +0200, James Hatridge wrote:
[...]
> > >But when I ping from Opus to
> > >Penguin, Opus gets nothing, but Penguin give an error.
> >
> > What is the error (the actual message, word for word) and where goes
>
>I don't have the system up at the moment, but the W$ error was something 
>about
>an IP and not allowed etc.
>
> > Penguin "give" it?

First, you only answered half the question. Since this is an attempt to 
ping the Win2K host from the Linux host, there is no *obvious* place for 
the Win2K machine to display an error message. So, once gain, please 
mention *where* "Penguin gives an error" (since, in part of the message 
omitted here, you say Penguin is the Win2K host).

Second, as you surely knew without my saying, "something about an IP and 
not allowed etc." is not much as error reports go. It does make me wonder 
if you have some firewalling installed in the Win2K system that blocks 
Opus's IP address. But that is fishing wildly.

So when you have the Win2K system up, try again and post exact answers to 
the "what" and "where" of this error message. Since (you say) Penguin *can* 
ping Opus successfully, basic connectivity is OK, so we need to look for a 
more subtle problem.

Also, provide the networking basics:

         from Opus, output of "ifconfig" (or "ip -s link show") and 
"netstat -nr"
         from Penguin, output (in a DOS box) of "ipconfig" and "route print"

Now, the usual way to specify networking information on Win2K hosts in in
         Start->Settings->Control Panel->Network and Dial-Up->
                 Local Area Connection->Properties->
                 Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)->Properties

If you did not do it that way, tell us how you did it. In either case, did 
you assign an address and related info statically, or did you tell the 
system to use a DHCP server (if you have one on your LAN)? Same questions 
for DNS.

Finally, since you also tell us that there are "5 other Linux systems up 
and running on
this net and one DOS system" ... do pings from these other hosts to the 
WIn2K machine generate the same error message?



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Re: Fwd: W$ 2K...

[Dan Zlotnikov]

From the error message and Win2K memories, I have a suspicion... If I
remember correctly, both Win2K and WinXP (guaranteed in the latter, not
sure about the former) come with a built-in firewall, enabled by default.
Make sure it is disabled. I don't have sufficient access on this machine
to check where those settings are located, but check your networking
settings.

Dan

On Mon, 28 Jul 2003, Ray Olszewski wrote:

> At 08:28 PM 7/28/2003 +0200, James Hatridge wrote:
> [...]
> > > >But when I ping from Opus to
> > > >Penguin, Opus gets nothing, but Penguin give an error.
> > >
> > > What is the error (the actual message, word for word) and where goes
> >
> >I don't have the system up at the moment, but the W$ error was something
> >about
> >an IP and not allowed etc.
> >
> > > Penguin "give" it?
>
> First, you only answered half the question. Since this is an attempt to
> ping the Win2K host from the Linux host, there is no *obvious* place for
> the Win2K machine to display an error message. So, once gain, please
> mention *where* "Penguin gives an error" (since, in part of the message
> omitted here, you say Penguin is the Win2K host).
>
> Second, as you surely knew without my saying, "something about an IP and
> not allowed etc." is not much as error reports go. It does make me wonder
> if you have some firewalling installed in the Win2K system that blocks
> Opus's IP address. But that is fishing wildly.
>
> So when you have the Win2K system up, try again and post exact answers to
> the "what" and "where" of this error message. Since (you say) Penguin *can*
> ping Opus successfully, basic connectivity is OK, so we need to look for a
> more subtle problem.
>
> Also, provide the networking basics:
>
>          from Opus, output of "ifconfig" (or "ip -s link show") and
> "netstat -nr"
>          from Penguin, output (in a DOS box) of "ipconfig" and "route print"
>
> Now, the usual way to specify networking information on Win2K hosts in in
>          Start->Settings->Control Panel->Network and Dial-Up->
>                  Local Area Connection->Properties->
>                  Internet Protocol (TCP/IP)->Properties
>
> If you did not do it that way, tell us how you did it. In either case, did
> you assign an address and related info statically, or did you tell the
> system to use a DHCP server (if you have one on your LAN)? Same questions
> for DNS.
>
> Finally, since you also tell us that there are "5 other Linux systems up
> and running on
> this net and one DOS system" ... do pings from these other hosts to the
> WIn2K machine generate the same error message?
>
>
>
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Re: W$ 2K...

[James Hatridge]

HI Ray et al...

On Monday 28 July 2003 21:15, Ray Olszewski wrote:
> [...]

Ok, I've almost got it all working! First of all I went into setup etc and 
clean it all out and started over with only Penguin's numbers in it. That was 
the problem. I had two different numbers in it. 

Now I can ping both ways without problems. I can also see my web site on Opus. 
BUTTTT the problem now is that I have to input the address as 

192.168.17.41/~hatridge/bulletin/

instead of 

Opus.epost.de/~hatridge/bulletin/ 

as it should be. I think that the problem now is that I don't have a "hosts" 
file on Penguin like I do on Opus. Is there a hosts file in W$2K? What do I 
do to set this up?

Thanks

JIM

Jim Hatridge
Linux User #88484
-- 
Our country was colonized by the religious, political, economic, and criminal
rejects of every country in the world. We have been carefully breeding insane, 
obsessive, fanatic lunatics with each other for over 400 years, resulting in 
the glorious strain of humanity known as "Americans". You have to expect 
some... peculiarities. 

Read about new German stamps each quarter:
	 http:/www.fecundswamp.net/~hatridge/bulletin

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Re: W$ 2K...

[James Ferris]

hosts file is located at C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\etc\hosts
... assuming your W2K is installed to C:\

note, also check that your dns is configured correctly for all internal dns 
references.

Correctly configuring dns is VERY IMPORTANT with w2k.
and there can be 'internal' dns as well as 'gateway' dns.
Gateway is controlled via Network and Dial-up Settings.
Internal (for web-browsing only, really) is controlled via Internet Control 
Panel.
(see Connections tab, LAN Settings, Advanced Proxy Server, Exceptions...)
yes, hosts file can be used to simplify all of this, but this file is 3rd 
or 4th in the 'use' order.

HTH
James

At 30/07/2003 ; 09:01 AM, you wrote:
>HI Ray et al...
>
>On Monday 28 July 2003 21:15, Ray Olszewski wrote:
> > [...]
>
>Ok, I've almost got it all working! First of all I went into setup etc and
>clean it all out and started over with only Penguin's numbers in it. That was
>the problem. I had two different numbers in it.
>
>Now I can ping both ways without problems. I can also see my web site on 
>Opus.
>BUTTTT the problem now is that I have to input the address as
>
>192.168.17.41/~hatridge/bulletin/
>
>instead of
>
>Opus.epost.de/~hatridge/bulletin/
>
>as it should be. I think that the problem now is that I don't have a "hosts"
>file on Penguin like I do on Opus. Is there a hosts file in W$2K? What do I
>do to set this up?
>
>Thanks
>
>JIM
>
>Jim Hatridge
>Linux User #88484
>--
>Our country was colonized by the religious, political, economic, and criminal
>rejects of every country in the world. We have been carefully breeding 
>insane,
>obsessive, fanatic lunatics with each other for over 400 years, resulting in
>the glorious strain of humanity known as "Americans". You have to expect
>some... peculiarities.
>
>Read about new German stamps each quarter:
>         http:/www.fecundswamp.net/~hatridge/bulletin
>
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Re: W$ 2K...

[James Hatridge]

Hi James et al...
On Wednesday 30 July 2003 20:26, James Ferris wrote:
> hosts file is located at C:\WINNT\system32\drivers\etc\hosts
> ... assuming your W2K is installed to C:\

This was what I was looking for! Thanks. As a side note I found that W$ only 
says do it this way

192.168.17.41 Opus.epost.de

But you can add a nickname like in Linux so that it looks like this

192.168.17.41 	Opus.epost.de 	Opus

It works just like in Linux and makes it easier.

Thanks

JIM

Jim Hatridge
Linux User #88484
-- 
Our country was colonized by the religious, political, economic, and criminal
rejects of every country in the world. We have been carefully breeding insane, 
obsessive, fanatic lunatics with each other for over 400 years, resulting in 
the glorious strain of humanity known as "Americans". You have to expect 
some... peculiarities. 

Read about new German stamps each quarter:
	 http:/www.fecundswamp.net/~hatridge/bulletin


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