a simple browser

a simple browser

[G Anna]

Dear All,

Can anybody suggest a good and simple browser?  Netscape core dumps
very often, Mozilla is very very slow and I do not know of any other
browser.  (Most of the websites nowadays doesn't care about Lynx :-(

Thanks for your time.

anna

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Re: a simple browser

[Elias Athanasopoulos]

On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 07:27:28PM +0530, G Anna wrote:

> Can anybody suggest a good and simple browser?  Netscape core dumps
> very often, Mozilla is very very slow and I do not know of any other
> browser.  (Most of the websites nowadays doesn't care about Lynx :-(

Lately, I use Galeon. It utilizes the Mozilla engine, but it is quite 
more lighter than Mozilla itself (my machine is a K6/266Mhz/96MB). 

I had a good experience, as far as the performance is concerned, with
Opera, in the past. I stopped using it, due to the bad support for 
the Greek language (I live in Greece).

Opera is the fastest Web browser I have ever used in my machine.

Elias 

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Re: a simple browser

[Pierre Rousselet]

G Anna wrote:
> Dear All,
> 
> Can anybody suggest a good and simple browser?  Netscape core dumps
> very often, Mozilla is very very slow and I do not know of any other
> browser.

mozilla and netscape-6.x are the same. I've tried recently konqueror 
(with kde-3.0), galeon, opera and keep using mozilla as a browser and 
mail tool. The 0.9.9 version of mozilla is quite stable on my box (PIII 
650).

Pierre
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Install location(s)

[Christoph]

Apologies if this is a stupid question.  And apologies for all
the stupid questions that are sure to come from me in the
weeks to follow. :p  I take heart that since this is a newbie
list, I'm sure that you guys have fielded plenty.

In any case, my question:  where should you typically install
new software?  For example, I'm getting ready to look into
and install Samba on my Linux (RH 7.2) box.  I've DL'd it
already and have been reading the documentation but have
yet to make and install it.  So, where should it (and anything
else I plan to install) go to make it easier to manage and
administer?

thnx,
Christoph

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Re: Install location(s)

[Pierre Rousselet]

Christoph wrote:
 > Apologies if this is a stupid question.  And apologies for all
 > the stupid questions that are sure to come from me in the
 > weeks to follow. :p  I take heart that since this is a newbie
 > list, I'm sure that you guys have fielded plenty.
 >
 > In any case, my question:  where should you typically install
 > new software?  For example, I'm getting ready to look into
 > and install Samba on my Linux (RH 7.2) box.  I've DL'd it
 > already and have been reading the documentation but have
 > yet to make and install it.  So, where should it (and anything
 > else I plan to install) go to make it easier to manage and
 > administer?

1) If the management of installed packages is a concern, you would
better unpack a RH binary package.

2) I assume many ready made scripts coming with RH expect to find the
software installed as per their own specs. The box would not boot if a
startup script has a line as "/bin/mount / ro" when mount is installed
in /usr/bin. For this reason, you must be carefull when installing
util-linux, sh-utils, textutils, net-tools and all the basic utilities.

3) A package is compiled with a given --prefix --exec-prefix
--sysconfdir and so on, you easily break the software when you split the
executable, the libraries, the config files in directories which are not
the ones given at compile time. If you install samba in /usr/local/samba
the config file smb.conf is looked for in /usr/local/samba/lib.

4) For most applications (internet, multimedia, office...) you are quite
free to choose the install path provided that the environment variables 
are properly set to tell the system where the binaries and the libraries 
are.

5) If you build samba yourself, the default install path is 
/usr/local/samba. It is not necessary to add /usr/local/samba/bin to 
your PATH if you write a start-samba script and put it /usr/bin. It 
would have the lines:
#!/bin/sh
/usr/local/samba/bin/smbd -D
/usr/local/samba/bin/nmbd -D


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Re: a simple browser

[cr]

On Tuesday 09 April 2002 01:57, G Anna wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Can anybody suggest a good and simple browser?  Netscape core dumps
> very often, Mozilla is very very slow and I do not know of any other
> browser.  (Most of the websites nowadays doesn't care about Lynx :-(
>
> Thanks for your time.
>
> anna

Depends which distribution of Linux you're using, but:

KDE Konqueror (comes with KDE 2.2 IIRC).    I use it from Gnome - you don't 
*have* to be running KDE to use it.

Or Opera for Linux, which is 'adware'  (a little panel on the top right shows 
ads), but other than that is a very nice-handling browser.   (If you want it 
without ads you can always pay $$ and register).    www.opera.com

Or Galeon  (which I think is based on Mozilla?)

All the above (except or maybe including Opera, I can't recall) came with Red 
Hat 7.2.

My favourite's Opera, myself.   But I'd suggest you could try one of those.

cr
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Re: a simple browser

[ichi]

G Anna wrote:
> 
> Can anybody suggest a good and simple browser?  Netscape core dumps
> very often, Mozilla is very very slow and I do not know of any other
> browser.  (Most of the websites nowadays doesn't care about Lynx :-(

Have you tried "links"?  
-----------------------------------------------
http://artax.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~mikulas/links/
-----------------------------------------------
Its layout is good (much better than lynx) and it does cookies
and SSL.  Images are not displayed on the page, but if you click
on an image, it will be displayed on a separate screen (using zgv).

Cheers,
Steven


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Re: a simple browser

[Sean Rima]

Originally to: G Anna

G Anna was alleged to have written to All

 GA> Dear All,

 GA> Can anybody suggest a good and simple browser?  Netscape core dumps
 GA> very often, Mozilla is very very slow and I do not know of any other
 GA> browser.  (Most of the websites nowadays doesn't care about Lynx :-(

(tried to send this before but made a mistake)

Try W3M which is console based but showed graphics under Xterm. http://w3m.sf.net

Sean


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Re: a simple browser

[pshook]

Try opera, I think at  www.opera.com

G Anna wrote:

> Dear All,
>
> Can anybody suggest a good and simple browser?  Netscape core dumps
> very often, Mozilla is very very slow and I do not know of any other
> browser.  (Most of the websites nowadays doesn't care about Lynx :-(
>
> Thanks for your time.
>
> anna
>
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Re: a simple browser

[Rodrigo Gesswein]

Hi!

   Also try Dillo! at http://dillo.auriga.wearlab.de/

   Regards!

Rodrigo...
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, pshook wrote:

> Try opera, I think at  www.opera.com
>
> G Anna wrote:
>
> > Dear All,
> >
> > Can anybody suggest a good and simple browser?  Netscape core dumps
> > very often, Mozilla is very very slow and I do not know of any other
> > browser.  (Most of the websites nowadays doesn't care about Lynx :-(
> >
> > Thanks for your time.
> >
> > anna
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Re: a simple browser

[Mateusz Łoskot]

Hello,
I may suggest to use Mozilla-based browser, but very small, without any 
other Mozilla components.
It is called Phoenix, and installation is very easy.

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/

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RE: a simple browser

[James Miller]

On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, m.loskot@chello.pl wrote:
> Hello,
> I may suggest to use Mozilla-based browser, but very small, without any
> other Mozilla components.
> It is called Phoenix, and installation is very easy.
>
Be aware that "very small" in this case is a relative characterization
(relative to the full Mozilla). In the case of Phoenix, very small = 9MB
download. That said, I use Phoenix and like it. It takes up more room
in RAM than Opera, though. On one system I have, Opera (6.1) occupied 23
MB RAM, while Phoenix took 30 MB.

James
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Re: a simple browser

[Mateusz Łoskot]

U¿ytkownik James Miller napisa³:
> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, m.loskot@chello.pl wrote:
>>Hello,
>>I may suggest to use Mozilla-based browser, but very small, without any
>>other Mozilla components.
>>It is called Phoenix, and installation is very easy.
>>
> 
> Be aware that "very small" in this case is a relative characterization
> (relative to the full Mozilla). In the case of Phoenix, very small = 9MB
> download. That said, I use Phoenix and like it. It takes up more room
> in RAM than Opera, though.

Yes, James is right.
I mean "very small" related to the Phoenix's  bigger sister - Mozilla.
Very small is Dillo, but is is very simple, it may be compared to Links,
but for X Windows (GUI).

 > On one system I have, Opera (6.1) occupied 23
 > MB RAM, while Phoenix took 30 MB.

In my Celeron 466, 256 RAM, Abit BX-133 RAID, Phoenix takes 20,3 MB RAM
at this moment (i run Gnome 2).

Opera may be faster, but I like mozilla-style of HTML rendering, and
it is free, what is important for me, no adds, etc.



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Re: a simple browser

[Carl]

At 15:54 12/03/2003 +0100, =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Mateusz_=A3oskot?= wrote:

>Opera may be faster, but I like mozilla-style of HTML rendering, and
>it is free, what is important for me, no adds, etc.

You can stop Opera downloading the ads by blocking with ad blocking software or carefully configured
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Re: a simple browser

[Mateusz Łoskot]

U¿ytkownik Carl napisa³:
> At 15:54 12/03/2003 +0100, =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Mateusz_=A3oskot?= wrote:
> 
>>Opera may be faster, but I like mozilla-style of HTML rendering, and
>>it is free, what is important for me, no adds, etc.
> 
> You can stop Opera downloading the ads by blocking with ad blocking software or carefully configured
> firewall.

You are right, but it is not that way I'd like to use Web.
If there is something free (GNU GPL), why not to use it.

Mozilla / Phoenix are my favourite browsers.

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RE: a simple browser

[James Miller]

On Wed, 12 Mar 2003, Carl wrote:
>
> You can stop Opera downloading the ads by blocking with ad blocking software or carefully configured
> firewall.
>
Could you please elaborate? Like, what kind of ad blocking software (name
of the package) or tips on firewall configuration. Are you talking about
using something like squidguard? Can this be done via ipchains/iptables?

Thanks, James
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Re: a simple browser

[Haines Brown]

> Try opera, I think at  www.opera.com

Yes, I was until now an Opera enthusiast. But with the upgrade to RH
8.0, it performs very badly. I'm slowly migrating to Galeon, which is
also a full featured browser, but is faster than Opera and so far has
spared me some pain. So I suggest you consider it as well. There's
KDE Konqueror, but not only do I prefer the gnome side, but it won't
start, so can't comment on it.

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Re: a simple browser

[ichi]

Haines Brown wrote:
> 
> I'm slowly migrating to Galeon, which is also a full 
> featured browser, but is faster than Opera 

Really?  That is not my experience (on a P166 with 64mb RAM).
I found Galeon slower and larger (much larger) than Opera.

Cheers,
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Re: a simple browser

[Haines Brown]

Steven,

I reply not to disagree, but to flesh out some of the specifics. 

First, I'm running 1.9GHz with 1 Gb RAM. While that would perhaps run
apps a little faster, I don't see how it would cause us to have quite
opposite experience in comparing Opera and Galeon speed.

Let me give an example of my frustrations with Opera. If I hit K2 to
bring up the Go to Page dialog, it pops up a bit slowly, but it takes
a couple additional seconds for the window to gain content and even
more to acquire the focus. If I have a URL in my clipboard to paste,
bringing up the dialog empties the clipboard. If instead I type the
URL, the first letter goes not type. I waste a lot of time playing
games just to visit a URL. 

Another problem is web page loading hangs. I'll click on a link, and
the load hangs. I go and do something else for a few more minutes and
come back to find the page has finally loaded.

Another petty example. I go to use the Search text field. If there is
a string still there from my previous search, I select it, but DEL
won't get rid of it, more often than not. I have to delete it letter
by letter and type in what I want.

It's the accumulation of these annoyances that are driving me away
from Opera.   

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Re: Install location(s)

[Ray Olszewski]

<sigh> Not only is this not a stuipd question ... it isn't really even a
very asy one to answer. I'll take a broad-brush shot at it.

Generally speaking, good Linux/Unix practice is for the OS packager to put
core apps in /bin and /sbin, and less core ones in /usr/bin and /usr/sbin
(with bin versus sbin separating packages normally used by ordinary users
and normally user by the superuser). Similar good practice for apps added by
the sysadmin is to put them in /usr/local/bin and /use/local/sbin .

What makes it messy is that the distinction between apps added by the OS and
ones added by the sysadmin is at best fuzzy. When I install Samba on a
Debian host, I use the Debian packages for Samba, and they install them
wherever they think appropriate (probably in /usr/bin, but I didn't actually
check). Similarly, I'm sure RH has a set of rpm packages that will install
Samba for you.

In practice, the real distinction these days is probably between apps
managed by the distro's package manager (rpm for Red Hat and a lot of
others; dpkg and apt for Debian; I'm not sure what others are still around)
and apps installed outside that package manager. I'd put the latter ones in
/usr/local/bin and /use/local/sbin .

Theer are other things that can make this messy. A different set of Unix
conventions (ones not usually used in Linux) call for putting
locally-installed packages in /opt . And Debian (and perhaps others) use
/etc/alternatives as a place to manage symlinks for some apps (for example,
which of the many real editors gets run as "vi" on any specific system).

In practice, I'd suggest you deal with your immediate problem -- installing
Samba -- by installing the appropriate RPM binaries.

At 02:29 PM 4/8/02 -0500, Christoph wrote:
>Apologies if this is a stupid question.  And apologies for all
>the stupid questions that are sure to come from me in the
>weeks to follow. :p  I take heart that since this is a newbie
>list, I'm sure that you guys have fielded plenty.
>
>In any case, my question:  where should you typically install
>new software?  For example, I'm getting ready to look into
>and install Samba on my Linux (RH 7.2) box.  I've DL'd it
>already and have been reading the documentation but have
>yet to make and install it.  So, where should it (and anything
>else I plan to install) go to make it easier to manage and
>administer?



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